The revised Old Covenant

[BobRyan]

Ro 14:14 stands.

indeed it stands... and yet "details still matter" even when you keep deleting them from the post you claim to be responding to ...

#39

In fact you don't even quote your own text... that is a bit extreme if you ask me.

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That's a good denominational twist on that one

I see you deleted every Bible text referenced to make your comment.

How instructive.

. . .Ro 14:14?

Start with vs 1 to see that the issue is not about "eating nothing" vs "eating something.

Rather it is "eating meat vs vegetables only".

As we all know - even the Jews had no teaching about "eating vegetables only" -- to get the actual context for that -- read 1 Cor 8 where we find Paul's own "I will never eat meat again" comment.

1 Cor 10:
11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

deleting texts,... avoiding context.... in the post you are supposedly responding to -- is not as helpful a tool as some have supposed

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Christians keep resurrection day.

Where’s the command for this?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Where’s the command for this?

It is the action of a free people in honour of their Lord and God, Jesus Christ. This has been acknowledged by Christians for almost two thousand years now.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is the action of a free people in honour of their Lord and God, Jesus Christ. This has been acknowledged by Christians for almost two thousand years now.

So no commandment, just a tradition of man. The Sabbath goes back some 6000 years, starting at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 when God made everything according to His will and perfect plan and it is a commandment of God Exo 20:8-11.

This is what Jesus said when we keep traditions of man over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments written personally on the Authority of God Himself. Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13

Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

In the garden Adam and Eve had these same choices, obey God or listen to someone else whispering in their ear to do things their own way. Sad this deception is still working. Best we stay faithful to Jesus, following in His example and living by every Word.

 

[Clare73]

Where’s the command for this?

Do we need a command?

Love does not need commands. . .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do we need a command?

Love does not need commands. . .

I'm going to listen to the voice of Jesus because I love Him

If you love My, keep My commandments John 14:15
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. John 15:10

 

[Dan Perez]

The New Covenant commandments are given in Mt 22:37-40 and Ro 13:8, 10.

The New Covenant commandments are given in Mt 22:37-40 and Ro 13:8, 10.

And you say that the NEW COVENANT is a revision of the OLD COVENANT and will you please write a verse where

that is FOUND ?

Just asking where you have a verse where the NEW COVENANT IS FOUND ?

dan p

 

[Soyeong]

The holy scriptures teach that the Law [of Moses] is the Old Covenant and that there is a New Covenant in Christ. Is the New Covenant a revision of the Old Covenant with the same Law [of Moses] being normative for Christian behaviours, including observing the ten commandments and the various specific laws that are based upon or derived from the ten commandments?

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, and as his followers we are told to follow his example and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk n the same way that he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and he did not establish the New Covenant in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could be free to have the same disobedience to the Law of Moses that caused the New Covenant to be necessary in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Galatians 3:16-19, where is a principle that a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified, so God's covenants are cumulative. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The problem that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His law, but with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the salutation to the problem was not for God to do away with His law, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it. This is by the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to obey the righteous requirement of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3-4) and God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Law of Moses (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Deuteronomy 30, it gives the basis for the New Covenant where the Israelites will return from exile, God will circumcise their hearts, and they will return to obedience to the Law of Moses, which is what Ezekiel 36:26-27 and Jeremiah 31:33 and in regard to.

There is a difference between a set of instructions for how to know God by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits and a covenant that includes those instructions as part of its stipulations. Any number of covenants can potentially come and go, but God's character traits are eternal, so any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His character traits are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. If God gave one person a set of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in various situations and gave a second person a different of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in a different set of situations, then all of those instructions would still have the same principle in common and they would all be eternally valid especially for anyone who has the goal of knowing God by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits. We should not expect each of covenant to come with a different types of laws as if they were made with a different god with a different set of character traits.

 

[Soyeong]

From my understanding, Jesus' New Testament commandments of loving God with all your being and your neighbor as yourself covers all the commandments in the Old Testament. As far as food laws and such, we know those are not required anymore.

Everything in row Law of Moses is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. The way to know love God is by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, such as the way to love justice is by being in God's likeness through being a doer of justice in obedience to His law, the way to love holiness is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. In other words, the goal of everything that God has commanded was to teach us how to love different aspects of His character, which is why the Bible repeatedly states in both the OT and the NT that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so by following those instructions we are expressing our love for God's eternal holiness and and if our goal is to know and love God by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, then the only way that we should cease to follow His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if He were to cease be holy.

 

[Soyeong]

With the advent of Jesus offering His body upon the cross, it was finished. The old covenant is fulfilled, complete, and extinct.

We are now considered children of Abraham, who was prior to the law of Moses. With the New Covenant, we are under the law of Christ now, and we obey "His" commandments, and we are able to do this because we are born from above and connected to Jesus with our newborn human spirit.

Nothing of the old carries over. For a lot of people, that is a hard saying to understand and accept, but it is true according to many passages of scripture.

When they rebuild the temple over in Israel, GOD will not be in it, no matter what they do.

God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, which is the way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. Sin is what is contrary to God's way and sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to teach us how to know God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life. Moreover, both Abraham and Moses taught to walk in God's way, and in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him.

The way to be a doer of God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on a particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to be a doer of righteousness are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. Likewise, it was a sin to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9 long before the Mosaic Covenant, during it, and after it has become obsolete, and if that were to ever change, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. There is a difference between a set of instructions for how to walk in God's way and a covenant that includes those instructions as part of its stipulations. Any number of covenants can potentially be made or become obsolete, but God's way will always remain the same.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and I see no grounds for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to anything that he taught. Christ did not establish the New Covenant in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could be free to have the same lawlessness that cause the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20).

 

[ViaCrucis]

The holy scriptures teach that the Law [of Moses] is the Old Covenant and that there is a New Covenant in Christ. Is the New Covenant a revision of the Old Covenant with the same Law [of Moses] being normative for Christian behaviours, including observing the ten commandments and the various specific laws that are based upon or derived from the ten commandments?

The Church receives the Decalogue as a good summary of God's moral commandments, as they extrapolate on the meaning of Love God and Love your neighbor.

But the Decalogue is not given to us in the way it was given to the Jews under the Old Covenant; rather we perceive here God's good will for a life that conforms to the Divine Law, which is to be written onto our hearts.

Which is why "Honor the Sabbath for it is holy" does not mean, "Christians must ritually observe the Sabbath Day from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday". It, instead, means that there is sanctity in resting from our labors, and that it is good and right that we set time aside not only for rest, but for honoring Christ.

In the same way that "Do not murder" is not just "don't wrongfully take a human life" but, as we see in the Lord's Sermon on the Mount, that we should not even be seduced by anger against others--we violate this commandment by so much as harboring anger and resentment in our hearts toward other people. So we can know that the fullest meaning of "Do not murder" is that we should regard other people as deserving of the fullness and abundance of life and human flourishing. It means we cannot deprive others of good, we cannot deprive others of basic rights of life, that includes food, and drink, and clothing, and shelter, and medical care. It means we must seek out the good for our neighbor, and love him or her, and desire the best so that they may flourish.

For if we resent others, or deprive them of good, then we shall be found just as guilty as any murderer.

In this way the Decalogue is not to be understood in some minimalistic sense, "You have to rest on Saturdays" "don't take human life, but it's not quite as bad if you simply deprive others of the necessities of life so they can prosper" etc.

Christ rebuked the Pharisees for though it is written, "Honor your mother and your father" they would take money which was to care for their elderly parents and instead "dedicate it to God"--the Pharisees no doubt regarded it a holier thing to honor God than honor their elderly parents--but the commandment reminds us that we cannot honor God, our true Father, if we neglect those who need our care and love. This is the right and good use of the Decalogue; not as a blunt weapon to instill us with legalistic impiety so that we might think we are holy when we are not. But as a surgeon's knife which cuts deep, that we cannot separate love of God and love of neighbor, for this is the Greatest Commandment.

For this reason St. James rebukes us, "With the tongue we bless our God and Father, and with the same tongue we curse others made in God's Image, my brothers, it shouldn't be like this!"

This is why St. Paul tells us that the whole of the Law is found in one phrase, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

There is a good and right use of the Law, and it is never to make us self-righteous and arrogant.

And that's the problem with the Judaizers, not just in the ancient days of the Apostles--but those same Judaizers who live in our times, who would prefer we neglect mercy and justice in order that we tithe the appropriate amount of mint and cumin. That we should strain at gnats and swallow whole camels.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Soyeong]

The Church receives the Decalogue as a good summary of God's moral commandments, as they extrapolate on the meaning of Love God and Love your neighbor.

But the Decalogue is not given to us in the way it was given to the Jews under the Old Covenant; rather we perceive here God's good will for a life that conforms to the Divine Law, which is to be written onto our hearts.

Which is why "Honor the Sabbath for it is holy" does not mean, "Christians must ritually observe the Sabbath Day from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday". It, instead, means that there is sanctity in resting from our labors, and that it is good and right that we set time aside not only for rest, but for honoring Christ.

In the same way that "Do not murder" is not just "don't wrongfully take a human life" but, as we see in the Lord's Sermon on the Mount, that we should not even be seduced by anger against others--we violate this commandment by so much as harboring anger and resentment in our hearts toward other people. So we can know that the fullest meaning of "Do not murder" is that we should regard other people as deserving of the fullness and abundance of life and human flourishing. It means we cannot deprive others of good, we cannot deprive others of basic rights of life, that includes food, and drink, and clothing, and shelter, and medical care. It means we must seek out the good for our neighbor, and love him or her, and desire the best so that they may flourish.

For if we resent others, or deprive them of good, then we shall be found just as guilty as any murderer.

In this way the Decalogue is not to be understood in some minimalistic sense, "You have to rest on Saturdays" "don't take human life, but it's not quite as bad if you simply deprive others of the necessities of life so they can prosper" etc.

Christ rebuked the Pharisees for though it is written, "Honor your mother and your father" they would take money which was to care for their elderly parents and instead "dedicate it to God"--the Pharisees no doubt regarded it a holier thing to honor God than honor their elderly parents--but the commandment reminds us that we cannot honor God, our true Father, if we neglect those who need our care and love. This is the right and good use of the Decalogue; not as a blunt weapon to instill us with legalistic impiety so that we might think we are holy when we are not. But as a surgeon's knife which cuts deep, that we cannot separate love of God and love of neighbor, for this is the Greatest Commandment.

For this reason St. James rebukes us, "With the tongue we bless our God and Father, and with the same tongue we curse others made in God's Image, my brothers, it shouldn't be like this!"

This is why St. Paul tells us that the whole of the Law is found in one phrase, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

There is a good and right use of the Law, and it is never to make us self-righteous and arrogant.

And that's the problem with the Judaizers, not just in the ancient days of the Apostles--but those same Judaizers who live in our times, who would prefer we neglect mercy and justice in order that we tithe the appropriate amount of mint and cumin. That we should strain at gnats and swallow whole camels.

-CryptoLutheran

Changing the medium upon which God's law is written from stone to our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs us to do, so the command to keep the 7th day holy written on stone instructs us to do the same thing as the command to keep the 7th day holy written on our hearts. In Leviticus 19:17, it instructs not to hate our brother, so that is nothing that is not already in accordance with what God's law instructs.

The Ten Commandments are based on five principles that are expressed differently when in regard to our vertical relationship with our Creator(s) or with our horizontal relationships with our neighbors, such as with the 2nd Commandment against committing idolatry being to our relationship with God what the 7th Commandment against committing adultery is to our relationship with our neighbor. If we correctly understand the five principles that the Ten Commandments are examples of, then we will also understand negative commands to refrain from doing something as being commands to do the reverse, such as with the command against murder also being the command to value life and the command against committing theft also being the command to be generous.

 

[ARBITER01]

God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, which is the way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. Sin is what is contrary to God's way and sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to teach us how to know God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life. Moreover, both Abraham and Moses taught to walk in God's way, and in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him.

The way to be a doer of God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on a particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to be a doer of righteousness are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. Likewise, it was a sin to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9 long before the Mosaic Covenant, during it, and after it has become obsolete, and if that were to ever change, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. There is a difference between a set of instructions for how to walk in God's way and a covenant that includes those instructions as part of its stipulations. Any number of covenants can potentially be made or become obsolete, but God's way will always remain the same.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and I see no grounds for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to anything that he taught. Christ did not establish the New Covenant in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could be free to have the same lawlessness that cause the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20).

You're wasting your time.

I'm a Gentile Christian believer. I'm not required to abide by The Law of Moses, I'm required to obey the commandments of Jesus that He gives me to do.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Having read many posts in this thread some of you argue for a revised covenant while some argue for a new covenant in Christ. I am among those who regard the Christian covenant as the new covenant in Christ's blood.

 

[Soyeong]

You're wasting your time.

I'm a Gentile Christian believer. I'm not required to abide by The Law of Moses, I'm required to obey the commandments of Jesus that He gives me to do.

Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, including saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed everything that God spoke in Deuteronomy.

 

[Dan Perez]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, and as his followers we are told to follow his example and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk n the same way that he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and he did not establish the New Covenant in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could be free to have the same disobedience to the Law of Moses that caused the New Covenant to be necessary in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Galatians 3:16-19, where is a principle that a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified, so God's covenants are cumulative. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The problem that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His law, but with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the salutation to the problem was not for God to do away with His law, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it. This is by the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to obey the righteous requirement of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3-4) and God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Law of Moses (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Deuteronomy 30, it gives the basis for the New Covenant where the Israelites will return from exile, God will circumcise their hearts, and they will return to obedience to the Law of Moses, which is what Ezekiel 36:26-27 and Jeremiah 31:33 and in regard to.

There is a difference between a set of instructions for how to know God by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits and a covenant that includes those instructions as part of its stipulations. Any number of covenants can potentially come and go, but God's character traits are eternal, so any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His character traits are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. If God gave one person a set of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in various situations and gave a second person a different of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in a different set of situations, then all of those instructions would still have the same principle in common and they would all be eternally valid especially for anyone who has the goal of knowing God by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits. We should not expect each of covenant to come with a different types of laws as if they were made with a different god with a different set of character traits.

And the openning POSTER does not answer where the NEW COVENANT is found nor how Jews are saved under

the NEW COVENANT !!



dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

And the openning POSTER does not answer where the NEW COVENANT is found nor how Jews are saved under

the NEW COVENANT !!



dan p

When the hour came, Jesus took his place at the table with the apostles. He said to them, "I have wanted so much to eat this Passover meal with you before I suffer! For I tell you, I will never eat it until it is given its full meaning in the Kingdom of God." Then Jesus took a cup, gave thanks to God, and said, "Take this and share it among yourselves. I tell you that from now on I will not drink this wine until the Kingdom of God comes." Then he took a piece of bread, gave thanks to God, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in memory of me." In the same way, he gave them the cup after the supper, saying, "This cup is God's new covenant sealed with my blood, which is poured out for you. "But, look! The one who betrays me is here at the table with me! The Son of Man will die as God has decided, but how terrible for that man who betrays him!" Then they began to ask among themselves which one of them it could be who was going to do this.
Luk 22:14-23 GNB

 

[ViaCrucis]

Changing the medium upon which God's law is written from stone to our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs us to do, so the command to keep the 7th day holy written on stone instructs us to do the same thing as the command to keep the 7th day holy written on our hearts. In Leviticus 19:17, it instructs not to hate our brother, so that is nothing that is not already in accordance with what God's law instructs.

The Ten Commandments are based on five principles that are expressed differently when in regard to our vertical relationship with our Creator(s) or with our horizontal relationships with our neighbors, such as with the 2nd Commandment against committing idolatry being to our relationship with God what the 7th Commandment against committing adultery is to our relationship with our neighbor. If we correctly understand the five principles that the Ten Commandments are examples of, then we will also understand negative commands to refrain from doing something as being commands to do the reverse, such as with the command against murder also being the command to value life and the command against committing theft also being the command to be generous.

I'm a Lutheran, the 2nd Commandment states not to profane God's name. The command to not worship idols is part of the 1st Commandment, "You shall have no other gods". The 7th Commandment is "Do not steal", the command against adultery is the 6th Commandment.

Here is the Decalogue:

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me"
2. "You shall not take the Name of the LORD your God in vain."
3. "You shall sanctify the Sabbath."
4. "You shall honor your mother and your father."
5. "You shall not kill."
6. "You shall not commit adultery."
7. "You shall not steal."
8. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
9. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house."
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor man-servant, nor maid-servant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is his."

There are a lot of ways to split the Decalogue up. As a Lutheran I follow the traditional numbering which has been in general use among Christians in the West for most of history. The majority of Protestants, however, follow the numbering system which John Calvin came up with. This is, it would seem, the numbering system you are using.

If you are trying to glean a spiritual significance based on a specific way to enumerate the Decalogue, then I'd recommend not.

Yes, the Decalogue touches upon love of God and love of neighbor. I already said that, that's something Christians have agreed upon for a very long time.

But it's not as though there are 5 that are "vertical" and 5 that are "horizontal".

In the traditional Western system of numbering only 2 of the commandments directly deal with God: You shall have no other gods, and You shall not take the Lord's name in vain.

The command to sanctify the Sabbath is a neighborly commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), it's about providing rest for others, including even our beasts of burden. This sanctity of rest extends even to the land itself. The 3rd Commandment isn't vertical, it's horizontal--our relationship toward other people and God's creation. That's why the Lord Jesus Christ said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Most of the Decalogue is horizontal. Using the numbering system that most Western Christians have used throughout history, 8 of the 10 commandments are about how we relate to other people.

Tangential addendum: If we count up the "You shall" and You shall nots", along with "Sanctify the Sabbath" and "Honor your mother and father", we actually get Eleven. If we add "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt", that's actually Twelve. But Exodus 34:28 specifically mentions the "Ten Words" on the tablets of stone. As such Jewish and Christian tradition(s) have always tried to fit the texts of Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 in such a way that we count 10 Commandments, Ten Words, The Decalogue. The text(s) themselves don't explicitly show a numbering system; and as noted, it isn't as easy as simply counting all the "You shall"/"You shall not"s, doing that gets us more than 10. The traditional Rabbinic way counts "I am the Lord your God that brought you out of Egypt" as the 1st, with the 2nd being "You shall have no other gods before Me" (this includes the prohibition against idols), and so forth. St. Augustine began the count with "You shall have no other gods" which includes the prohibition against making idols, with the 2nd being "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain". I mentioned earlier in this post that John Calvin introduced a new numbering system, his broke up the traditional 1st Commandment into two: 1. "You shall have no other gods before Me" and 2. "You shall not make for yourselves any graven images". The Eastern Orthodox also have a numbering system different from both the Western Augustinian and Calvinist traditions. And let's not even mention the Samaritans, in the Samaritan Pentateuch the content of the mitzvot themselves are different, as the Samaritans include worshipping at Mt. Gerizim to be one of the Ten Commandments; and this is most certainly an obvious anti-Jerusalem bias rooted in the ancient division between Samaritan Israelites and Jewish Israelites.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

And the openning POSTER does not answer where the NEW COVENANT is found nor how Jews are saved under

the NEW COVENANT !!



dan p

We just finished celebrating Easter on the Western Calendar last Sunday. The whole week leading up to Easter, from Palm Sunday to Good Friday was also observed.

This happens every year.

And you don't know where the New Covenant is found or how a Jewish person can be saved under the New Covenant?

Here's a hint:

Spoiler

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Clare73]

Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, including saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed everything that God spoke in Deuteronomy.

Jesus lived under the OC, inaugurating the NC with his death.