How New is the New Covenant?

[Koberstein]

The idea of the New Covenant as presented in the Gospels and the Pauline letters may sound like something
completely new or innovative to modern Christ-like followers. But is it really?

The ancient Hebrew prophet Jeremiah had declared that in the future the LORD would establish a New Covenant
with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. The covenant, unlike the previous one, would be characterized by
God's instruction (Torah) being written on the very hearts of the ancient people of God (Jer. 31:31-34)

So were there Jews in the first century who believed that they lived in the days of the New Covenant, even if they did
not follow Jesus (Yeshua) as the Messiah? The answer to this interesting question is yes.

Thanks to several important archaeological discoveries, it has become clear that first-century followers of Jesus were not
alone in laying claim to the idea of the New Covenant. For example, we read that some Jews called the members of their
community "to observe the Sabbath according to its true meaning and the feasts and the day of fast according to the utterances
of them who entered into the New Covenant in the land of Damascus...To love each his brother as himself, and to strengthen
the hand of the poor and the needy and the stranger" (Qumran Scrolls, Cairo Damascus Document 8:15-17).

The Jewish followers of Christ Jesus differed from this other Jewish group in that they were persuaded that the New Covenant
had been inaugurated not near Damascus, but in the area of Jerusalem though the blood of Jesus (Matt. 26:26-29).
How New was this New Covenant? The idea itself was a very old Jewish one.

Shalom שלום

 

[daq]

The idea of the New Covenant as presented in the Gospels and the Pauline letters may sound like something
completely new or innovative to modern Christ-like followers. But is it really?

The ancient Hebrew prophet Jeremiah had declared that in the future the LORD would establish a New Covenant
with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. The covenant, unlike the previous one, would be characterized by
God's instruction (Torah) being written on the very hearts of the ancient people of God (Jer. 31:31-34)

So were there Jews in the first century who believed that they lived in the days of the New Covenant, even if they did
not follow Jesus (Yeshua) as the Messiah? The answer to this interesting question is yes.

Thanks to several important archaeological discoveries, it has become clear that first-century followers of Jesus were not
alone in laying claim to the idea of the New Covenant. For example, we read that some Jews called the members of their
community "to observe the Sabbath according to its true meaning and the feasts and the day of fast according to the utterances
of them who entered into the New Covenant in the land of Damascus...To love each his brother as himself, and to strengthen
the hand of the poor and the needy and the stranger" (Qumran Scrolls, Cairo Damascus Document 8:15-17).

The Jewish followers of Christ Jesus differed from this other Jewish group in that they were persuaded that the New Covenant
had been inaugurated not near Damascus, but in the area of Jerusalem though the blood of Jesus (Matt. 26:26-29).
How New was this New Covenant? The idea itself was a very old Jewish one.

Shalom שלום

It isn't speaking of Damascus Syria, rather, Damashek (or masek), the "well-watered place" spoken of in the Torah, (Gen 13:10), that is, kikkar Yarden, as one comes to Zoar from the north, and from Zoar down toward the northern lip of Yam haMelach, in the arabah. The ruins of the encampment now called by the Arabic name Khirbet Qumran are right there, just to the west on the northern coast of Yam haMelach, at the site of the threshing floor of Atad. This is the same place where the Immerser and forerunner first began to immerse an immersion toward the sending away of sins.

 

[daq]

(staff edit)

Moreover Chobah/Hobah, (Gen 14:15), means hiding place, and is located for us in Yhudit 4:4.

Yhudit 4:4 KJV
4 Therefore they sent into all the coasts of Samaria, and the villages and to Bethoron, and Belmen, and Jericho, and to Choba, and Esora, and to the valley of Salem:

The valley of Shalem runs along side the threshing floor of Atad, between Atad and the northern coast of Yam haMelach, while old Yericho was due north a fairly short distance, in kikkar Yericho which is the western half of kikkar Yarden, (the spies sent from Yhoshua to spy out Yericho probably hid in this mountain also). Chobah is actually very famous to this day, but it is now known, (in most part due to Catholic tradition), as the Mount of the Temptation.

That mountain is directly west of Yericho and rises up directly behind Yericho, (both the new city and the old ruins). It is famous for all of the caves and hiding places, thousands, some of which run for miles. Chobah was and is therefore due north of Damashek, (Qumran), and that is indeed the left hand side in scripture terminology, as it is directly behind and west of Yericho. Moreover Mosheh points out the threshing floor of Atad by way of multiple passages, but that would take a very long post to explain, and it is a pearl.

 

[daq]

(staff edit)

I am not a Gentile and I do not know anyone by the name Robert Morris, pastor or not, but I do fully understand your need to use character assassination against people who do not agree with your traditions of men.

Moreover the text from which you quoted, the so-called Damascus Document, also points to the fact that when Ephraim departed from Yhudah they removed the boundary marker or landmark, which is forbidden in the Torah, and the first place it is mentioned is the following.

Deuteronomy 19:14 KJV
14 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.

The highlighted statement above is incredibly important to understand: those of old time set certain landmarks for boundaries in the land, and they were to be for the inheritance of bnei Yisrael when they returned, (for they believed the promises). What were these landmarks? They were, of course, mostly in the form of altars placed especially by Abraham, Yitzhaq, and Yaakob, (and probably some wells), in special places of importance in their lives, like appearances of Elohim to them in visions or dreams.

One of these places is where Melki-Tzedek appeared to Abraham in the valley of Shaveh after the defeat of the kings who took Lot captive, where he chased them to Chobah and then met Melki-Tzedek upon his return. Melki-Tzedek is "the King of Shalem", the same place where Yaakob purchased from Hamor, the father of Shechem, the portion of land where he had spread his tent, which was at Shalem, a city of the Ridge-Shoulder, that is, Shechem. This is the same place where Yaakob built an altar as follows.

Genesis 33:18-20 KJV
18 And Jacob came to Shalem, a city of Shechem, [the Ridge] which is in the land of Canaan, when he came from Padanaram; and pitched his tent before the city.
19 And he bought a parcel of a field, where he had spread his tent, at the hand of the children of Hamor, Shechem's father, for an hundred pieces of money.
20 And he erected there an altar, and called it Elelohe-Israel.

This place is the threshing floor of Atad, and it became the extra portion of Yoseph above his brethren, certainly because of its great significance. This is why Yoseph went the long way around Yam haMelach and stopped at this location when he brought his father Yaakob back into the land to bury him. Thus there was a landmark there, and it marked the special portion which was allotted to Yoseph by his father.

But again, in the day when Ephraim departed from Yhudah, they took down this altar, the landmark for the special inheritance of Yoseph, and moved it to the other place called Bethel which was in Samaria. And speaking again of the Damascus Document: the first Teacher of Righteousness was Onias III, and he was a builder, and when he was deposed he went to this place and built the encampment at Damashek which is now known as Khirbet Qumran. And he surely knew the importance of this place by way of the Torah, being a son of Tzadok and having been Kohen Gadol.

Onias III lived about five years after having been deposed, until he was murdered somewhere else, the sanctuary or possibly a city of refuge at Paneas, (probably so as also not to draw attention or violence to Damashek-Qumran which he had just built). Onias set up the encampment at Damashek, in the place wherein is the Bethel of Yaakob, (Gen 28:10-22), not the Bethel of Abraham in Samaria, (Gen 12:8), and the Bethel of Yaakob also had the first landmark called Bethel just as El-Elohei-Yisrael was the second lanmark for the same place when Yaakob returned from Padan-Aram. Moreover the same place is at Shalem, and the valley of the King, (Melki-Tzedek) which is called Shaveh, which is also the valley of Shalem, sandwiched between the threshing floor of Atad and the northwestern coast of Yam haMelach, the Sea of Salt.

Some clues from the other study which I spoke of:

Goren haAtad is a giant thorn, (the meaning of Atad).

From the approximate location where Mosheh delivers the sermon on the plain in the arabah, (Mishneh haTorah, Deuteronomy), in the 11th month of the Hebrew Torah calendar year, it is impossible for the sun to set anywhere near Bethel at Sheckem in Samaria: and yet, as shown in the immediate image file above, it sets over Dameshek-Qumran, and the threshing floor of Atad, on the Ridge or Sheckem, and the place where the landmark was set up, and the place of the extra portion of Yoseph, which Ephraim removed in the day that Ephraim departed from Yhudah.

For one claiming to be a Jew, (and claiming that I am not), your lack of scripture understanding is horrifying. Every one of us will give and accounting for every idle word, and for every false judgment we execute against others, especially brethren. In the end the Master himself will decide who is a Jew and who is a Yhudi.

 

[Koberstein]

I am not a Gentile and I do not know anyone by the name Robert Morris, pastor or not, but I do fully understand your need to use character assassination against people who do not agree with your traditions of men.

Moreover the text from which you quoted, the so-called Damascus Document, also points to the fact that when Ephraim departed from Yhudah they removed the boundary marker or landmark, which is forbidden in the Torah, and the first place it is mentioned is the following.

Deuteronomy 19:14 KJV
14 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.

The highlighted statement above is incredibly important to understand: those of old time set certain landmarks for boundaries in the land, and they were to be for the inheritance of bnei Yisrael when they returned, (for they believed the promises). What were these landmarks? They were, of course, mostly in the form of altars placed especially by Abraham, Yitzhaq, and Yaakob, (and probably some wells), in special places of importance in their lives, like appearances of Elohim to them in visions or dreams.

One of these places is where Melki-Tzedek appeared to Abraham in the valley of Shaveh after the defeat of the kings who took Lot captive, where he chased them to Chobah and then met Melki-Tzedek upon his return. Melki-Tzedek is "the King of Shalem", the same place where Yaakob purchased from Hamor, the father of Shechem, the portion of land where he had spread his tent, which was at Shalem, a city of the Ridge-Shoulder, that is, Shechem. This is the same place where Yaakob built an altar as follows.

Genesis 33:18-20 KJV
18 And Jacob came to Shalem, a city of Shechem, [the Ridge] which is in the land of Canaan, when he came from Padanaram; and pitched his tent before the city.
19 And he bought a parcel of a field, where he had spread his tent, at the hand of the children of Hamor, Shechem's father, for an hundred pieces of money.
20 And he erected there an altar, and called it Elelohe-Israel.

This place is the threshing floor of Atad, and it became the extra portion of Yoseph above his brethren, certainly because of its great significance. This is why Yoseph went the long way around Yam haMelach and stopped at this location when he brought his father Yaakob back into the land to bury him. Thus there was a landmark there, and it marked the special portion which was allotted to Yoseph by his father.

But again, in the day when Ephraim departed from Yhudah, they took down this altar, the landmark for the special inheritance of Yoseph, and moved it to the other place called Bethel which was in Samaria. And speaking again of the Damascus Document: the first Teacher of Righteousness was Onias III, and he was a builder, and when he was deposed he went to this place and built the encampment at Damashek which is now known as Khirbet Qumran. And he surely knew the importance of this place by way of the Torah, being a son of Tzadok and having been Kohen Gadol.

Onias III lived about five years after having been deposed, until he was murdered somewhere else, the sanctuary or possibly a city of refuge at Paneas, (probably so as also not to draw attention or violence to Damashek-Qumran which he had just built). Onias set up the encampment at Damashek, in the place wherein is the Bethel of Yaakob, (Gen 28:10-22), not the Bethel of Abraham in Samaria, (Gen 12:8), and the Bethel of Yaakob also had the first landmark called Bethel just as El-Elohei-Yisrael was the second lanmark for the same place when Yaakob returned from Padan-Aram. Moreover the same place is at Shalem, and the valley of the King, (Melki-Tzedek) which is called Shaveh, which is also the valley of Shalem, sandwiched between the threshing floor of Atad and the northwestern coast of Yam haMelach, the Sea of Salt.

Some clues from the other study which I spoke of:

Goren haAtad is a giant thorn, (the meaning of Atad).

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From the approximate location where Mosheh delivers the sermon on the plain in the arabah, (Mishneh haTorah, Deuteronomy), in the 11th month of the Hebrew Torah calendar year, it is impossible for the sun to set anywhere near Bethel at Sheckem in Samaria: and yet, as shown in the immediate image file above, it sets over Dameshek-Qumran, and the threshing floor of Atad, on the Ridge or Sheckem, and the place where the landmark was set up, and the place of the extra portion of Yoseph, which Ephraim removed in the day that Ephraim departed from Yhudah.

For one claiming to be a Jew, (and claiming that I am not), your lack of scripture understanding is horrifying. Every one of us will give and accounting for every idle word, and for every false judgment we execute against others, especially brethren. In the end the Master himself will decide who is a Jew and who is a Yhudi.

I know you are trying to stay relevant, but your not. When I first discovered your misinterpretation of Torah Scripture, no Orthodox, Reform, Conservative and Messianic Jew believes or was taught
that from the Rabbis. So it is basically heresy. I lost all respect for you and anything you had to convey.
No Messianic Jew uses the KJV.
Messianic Jews use the TLV (Tree of Life Version) or the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible). Jewish people are fluent in Hebrew. You are not. Adonai already knows His chosen people who are the Jews . Unfortunately, you are not in that illustrious, blessed, and talented group of people.
Seems like you have an identity crisis. You might be a Kosher Gentile, but you are NOT a Jew. Hopefully, you are grafted into our Jewish Tree, then again maybe your not.
Shabbat Shalom

 

[daq]

(staff edit)

My Gentile 94 year old mother is getting close to the Kingdom and I don't expect her to live more than the next couple of months. My brothers and I made a promise to our Jewish father before he died that we would take care of our mother.

Jesus not a Christian, but a Jew? Prof. Shaye I. D. Cohen, a Jewish historian who has taught at the Jewish Seminary, Harvard University, and
Brown University, reminds us of just how Jewish Jesus was:
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee, a Jewish part of the world.

Just how Jewish Jesus was? And then to prove it you quote a Jewish historian whose first words in the quote state that "He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee"?

You yourself sound a little unsure of your own "Jewishness" seeing that you have already said that your mother is a Gentile. As a matter of fact, up until Mar 15, 1983, for more than two thousand years before that time, Jewish tradition did not accept you as a Jew except through conversion: it is only because the Rabbis of the Pharisaic traditions changed their own rules that you can now claim to be a Jew without having undergone conversion according to them, (and be careful about claiming you have undergone conversion after what you said about Rashi the other day).

Who Is a Jew: Patrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

According to the Reform movement, a child raised as a Jew with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother can be considered Jewish. This is contrary to traditional Jewish law.

www.myjewishlearning.com

YAY! for you! and Happy 42nd Anniversary on being allowed to call yourself a Jew: Mar 15,1983 to Mar 15, 2025. And now that you have completely ignored everything I have offered here, and cannot offer anything other than lashon hara in return, I suppose I will move on.

Have a great day and nice chatting.

 

[Koberstein]

Just how Jewish Jesus was? And then to prove it you quote a Jewish historian whose first words in the quote state that "He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee"?

You yourself sound a little unsure of your own "Jewishness" seeing that you have already said that your mother is a Gentile. As a matter of fact, up until Mar 15, 1983, for more than two thousand years before that time, Jewish tradition did not accept you as a Jew except through conversion: it is only because the Rabbis of the Pharisaic traditions changed their own rules that you can now claim to be a Jew without having undergone conversion according to them, (and be careful about claiming you have undergone conversion after what you said about Rashi the other day).

Who Is a Jew: Patrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

According to the Reform movement, a child raised as a Jew with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother can be considered Jewish. This is contrary to traditional Jewish law.

www.myjewishlearning.com

YAY! for you! and Happy 42nd Anniversary on being allowed to call yourself a Jew: Mar 15,1983 to Mar 15, 2025. And now that you have completely ignored everything I have offered here, and cannot offer anything other than lashon hara in return, I suppose I will move on.

Have a great day and nice chatting.
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In Jewish tradition, parents, particularly fathers, have significant responsibilities in raising their children, including education, teaching Torah, and ensuring their well-being, while also emphasizing the importance of family and community.
Shabbat Shalom

 

[Koberstein]

Just how Jewish Jesus was? And then to prove it you quote a Jewish historian whose first words in the quote state that "He was born of a Jewish mother of Galilee"?

You yourself sound a little unsure of your own "Jewishness" seeing that you have already said that your mother is a Gentile. As a matter of fact, up until Mar 15, 1983, for more than two thousand years before that time, Jewish tradition did not accept you as a Jew except through conversion: it is only because the Rabbis of the Pharisaic traditions changed their own rules that you can now claim to be a Jew without having undergone conversion according to them, (and be careful about claiming you have undergone conversion after what you said about Rashi the other day).

Who Is a Jew: Patrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

According to the Reform movement, a child raised as a Jew with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother can be considered Jewish. This is contrary to traditional Jewish law.

www.myjewishlearning.com

YAY! for you! and Happy 42nd Anniversary on being allowed to call yourself a Jew: Mar 15,1983 to Mar 15, 2025. And now that you have completely ignored everything I have offered here, and cannot offer anything other than lashon hara in return, I suppose I will move on.

Have a great day and nice chatting.
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According to Rabbinic tradition, a Jew is someone who is born to a Jewish mother or someone who has converted to Judaism.

According to Karaite tradition, a Jew is someone who is born to a Jewish father.

Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism typically don’t care which parent is Jewish.

Haymanot Judaism is very similar to Reform/Reconstructionist on this issue, as they recognize someone as Jewish no matter which parent the Jewishness comes from.
Shabbat Shalom

 

[AbbaLove]

In Jewish tradition, parents, particularly fathers, have significant responsibilities in raising their children, including education, teaching Torah, and ensuring their well-being, while also emphasizing the importance of family and community.
Shabbat Shalom

From that all so typical scenario it's almost a miracle from Almighty GOD that you accepted Yeshua as Adonai (Hebrews 4:14-16)

We all would like to hear your testimony (e.g. did you see a vision of Yeshua or a time when you cryed out for HELP being at your wits end).

At what age did you realize for the first time that Isaiah 53 was referring to Yeshua ?

 

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[Koberstein]

While there will be minor disagreements which I tend to overlook. I will however respond to gross blatant heresy that is not
even remotely supported by Scripture. There was a person spreading heresy about Noah's wife being raped and given birth
to

From that all so typical scenario it's almost a miracle from Almighty GOD that you accepted Yeshua as Adonai (Hebrews 4:14-16)

We all would like to hear your testimony (e.g. did you see a vision of Yeshua or a time when you cryed out for HELP being at your wits end).

At what age did you realize for the first time that Isaiah 53 was referring to Yeshua ?

Are you the salvation police? Lol I didn't see a vision of Yeshua. I was in a pit of life as a slave to the world and I cried out to Adonai
for salvation through His son Yeshua for remission of my sins and placed my faith and trust in Him. I was about 17 when I realized
that Isaiah 53 was a prophecy about Yeshua. I studied and continue to stude the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Covenant to grow
in my spiritual walk with Yeshua. Thank you (toda) for those questions.

Shalom שלום

 

[daq]

While there will be minor disagreements which I tend to overlook. I will however respond to gross blatant heresy that is not
even remotely supported by Scripture. There was a person spreading heresy about Noah's wife being raped and given birth
to

It's right there in the Torah: a man's wife is his nakedness, and I quoted the passage. Moreover you never even offered your own explanation for the passage and rather entirely avoided it because you apparently have no answer for what those passages say and teach. If your paradigm forbids you from looking upon the truth that is not my problem. Please discontinue the false accusations and lying about me: the next time will be reported and every time after that.

 

[AbbaLove]

Are you the salvation police? Lol
Shalom שלום

That is the usual reaction when for example a Baptist tries to witness to an orthodox Jew while a group of Christians are on a tour of the Old City.

Testimonies about excepting Yeshua are Faith inspiring as too is this Jewish celebration ...

 

[Koberstein]

That is the usual reaction when for example a Baptist tries to witness to an orthodox Jew while a group of Christians are on a tour of the Old City.

Testimonies about excepting Yeshua are Faith inspiring as too is this Jewish celebration ...

My advice to you in witnessing to an Orthodox Jew is to start in the Tanakh. Isaiah 53 would be a good place to start.
That is the only Hebrew Bible they know and are familiar with. They might argue the point that Isaiah 53 is talking about
the future Israel. There are somethings in the New Covenant (New Testament) that maybe offensive to them. For example,
the word "Cross". That word reminds them of the KKK, the Crusades and the Inquisition all very horrific events and
devastating to Jews. My Complete Jewish Bible uses the words "tree" and "execution stake" in place of the word "Cross".
Shalom Aleichem שלום עליכם

 

[daq]

I know you are trying to stay relevant, but your not.

Incorrect, yet another bad guess, and in fact I have not actually been all that relevant since returning here in the last two or three years.

When I first discovered your misinterpretation of Torah Scripture, no Orthodox, Reform, Conservative and Messianic Jew believes or was taught
that from the Rabbis. So it is basically heresy. I lost all respect for you and anything you had to convey.

I know what you are speaking about but the opposite side of the coin is that you apparently think the following is better:

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8173/showrashi/true

"Some say that he castrated him, and some say that he sodomized him." -- Rashi. ................. ???

Why might this be preferable to someone like you? Could it be for the reason that Rashi essentially leaves it open by relating two different opinions from Sanhedrin 70a? Does that mean to you that you can now completely ignore the subject just as you did when it came up here on this board? That seems likely to me but still yet that does not mean you get to ignore the subject and then turn against anyone who disagrees with the above interpretations and call them heretics just because they have actually found the answer in the Torah which it does not agree with Rashi or other Rabbinical texts.

Moreover, which is worse? What I offered as the explanation or Rashi saying that Noah was either sodomized, (raped by either Ham or possibly Kanaan) or that Noah was possibly castrated? Your fabricated piousness is just as fraudulent as all the copyrighted plagiarism you have posted on the board without acknowledgements or links to the copy and paste.

No Messianic Jew uses the KJV.

I use it out of convenience, and because many people are still familiar with that translation, and I will also use any other translation that is correct when the KJV is wrong, which it often is. As I said, I don't need the KJV, but I am not going to start translating everything I post from the original languages because people such as yourself start accusing me of twisting the scriptures to fit my own beliefs.

Messianic Jews use the TLV (Tree of Life Version) or the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible).

The CJB is about as bad as the KJV because it apparently reads from the T/R just as does the KJV. Some of the most erroneous instances concern the very foundation of the topic of this thread, the statements at the Seder concerning the Brit Hadashah. There are at least three or maybe four cups at the Seder. The first cup mentioned is not the Brit Hadashah. When you get to the Luke companion passage both the KJV, CJB, and a host of other translations which read from the T/R and Byzantine text types, utterly refute themselves because only the second cup mentioned is the Brit Hadashah. Moreover the Western Text types do not contain the Greek word kainos, (new-renewed), in the Matthew and Mark companion texts, proving that someone added kainos into those texts. If the CJB is so great why is the very foundational teaching from the Master at the Seder not understood in that translation? Who cares if they used the word Seder in the text if the foundational statement in those texts in Matthew and Mark are falsehood?

Jewish people are fluent in Hebrew. You are not.

Not all, and those who are fluent in the land but do not study the scripture are only fluent in modern Hebrew, which is a resurrected language, and surely not biblical Hebrew. There is a big difference. Moreover you are only partially correct in what you say about me: my understanding of biblical Hebrew is not the same as yours and your Rabbis: mine is according to the Master in the Gospel accounts and those of my fathers who first separated the text and rendered the Torah portions of it into the Old Greek LXX Torah, commencing around 285BC, and they were not Perushim but Zadokim: the rightful teachers and expouders of the Torah. There were two or maybe even three competing Hebrew texts in the early first century and the reason is because the Perushim separated the text in their own way, which did not agree with the separation of the text already performed by those who came before them. The beginning of this separation process can be seen in progress in the DSS scrolls and fragments, with also the beginning of the addition of the sofits, (because the waw also served as a word separator and had to drop out of the text in thousands of places). For the Perushim this ended up being about a twelve hundred year process. You can see what was likely planned in the Aleppo Codex where the text was being joined back together as a type of scriptio continua after the separation was finalized and all the sofits were in place. So even though it has Tiberian vocalization it was pretty much the finalized standard separation of the text, (regardless of the vocalization which, again, is Tiberian). However the Masoretes apparently decided not to return the text to its original scriptio continua form from the time of Ezra.

EDIT-ADDENDUM: I decided to add a little more information here concerning the Aleppo Codex.

The following is the first leaf in what now remains of the Aleppo Codex. The top right column begins with the final word in Deut 28:17, (without a sof pasuq, וּמִשְׁאַרְתֶּֽךָ). The rest of the Torah before this point is missing except for a recently recovered fragment from Exodus. The text is clearly devoid of spacing but at this point the sofits were complete, (probably from the beginning of the era of the DSS scolls, about 200BC), and all the word spacers had dropped out of the text, (also from the same era of the DSS). After eleven to twelve hundred years, with interrupting wars, expulsion from the land, the Masorete work up to this point, etc., there was not much left to do but put the text back together since, with the sofits, it was then legible: for without the sofits it would be a guessing game if the text was not separated, which is why it was so difficult to read and comprehend at the beginning when the text only contained the waw for a word separator.

John 7:15 helps to highlight this reality, for essentially the Ashuri Script from the time of Ezra was so difficult to read and understand that one had need to be trained or schooled in order to read it a certain way, which ended up being the way of the Perushim who became the majority: otherwise there might be seven different opinions between seven different people on a single short passage or verse because the text was not even pointed in those times. The Meshiah quite obviously was not trained or schooled at one of the schools of the Perushim.

תנ"ך - מקראות גדולות הכתר - דברים פרק כח עם צילום כתר ארם צובא

מסך עיון - תנ

www.mgketer.org

Some things everyone should know about the Aleppo Codex:

A Word About Codices: Aleppo vs. Leningrad vs. Masoretic — Daf Aleph

I recently had a rather interesting conversation with someone in which the topic of various codices and textual variations of the Biblical manuscript came up. The following information I think is pretty important, but is not always presented so clearly; I’m going to try…

dafaleph.com

Wikipedia basic outline:

Aleppo Codex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Adonai already knows His chosen people who are the Jews .

His Son is he who searches the reins and hearts.

Unfortunately, you are not in that illustrious, blessed, and talented group of people.

I am more blessed then you will likely ever know; and my people you have not known.

Seems like you have an identity crisis. You might be a Kosher Gentile, but you are NOT a Jew. Hopefully, you are grafted into our Jewish Tree, then again maybe your not.
Shabbat Shalom

It appears to me that it is you who may still have need to be grafted in: with all of this judging and lashon hara, you appear to have cut yourself off from the Root, if indeed you ever were grafted in to begin with. And we know by the Master that the murders which come forth from the mouth proceed from the heart, (Mat 15:18-20), and because the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14), whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and we know that no murderer has eternal life dwelling in him, (1 Jhn 3:15).

Somebody gonna have alotta splainin to do.

 

[HARK!]

I have not actually been all that relevant since returning here in the last two or three years.

I feel baruk to have the berakah of corresponding with someone with so much insight. I'm not the only one.

Your humility is also outstanding.

 

[HARK!]

New

châdash, khaw-dash'; a primitive root; to be new; causatively, to rebuild:—renew, repair.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon

STRONGS H2318:
† [חָדַשׁ] verb only Pi. (and Hithp.) renew, repair (in poetry and late) (Late Hebrew id., Phoenician חדש; noun חדש new moon, also in קרתחדשת new-city£½Carthage; Aramaic Tedfo and חַדֵּשׁ; Arabic حَدَثَ be new, Ethiopic ሐደለ፡ I. 2. renew; Sabean החדתֿ, see Os (Levy): ZMG 1865, 204 MordtZMG 1876, 30; Assyrian [adâڑu], uddiڑ, renew, eڑڑu, new, etc. DlW 199 ff.) —
Pi. Perfect וְחִדְּשׁוּ consecutive Isaiah 61:4; Imperfect וַיְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 15:8; 2nd person masculine singular תְּחַדֵּשׁ Job 10:17; Psalm 104:30; וּנְחַדֵּשׁ 1 Samuel 11:14; Imperative חַדֵּשׁ Psalm 51:21; Infinitive לְחַדֵּשׁ 2 Chronicles 24:4, 12; —
1. renew, make anew הַמְּלוּכָה 1 Samuel 11:14 (editorial); פני אדמה Psalm 104:30, רוּחַ Psalm 51:12 (|| בּרא); = bring back יָמֵינוּ כְּקֶדֶם Lamentations 5:21; עדיך ח׳ Job 10:17 i.e. bringest fresh (new) witnesses

 

[AbbaLove]

The ancient Hebrew prophet Jeremiah had declared that in the future the LORD would establish a *New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

So do you believe this prophecy is a latter "New Covenant" (yet to come) than the "New Covenant"of Messiah Yeshua (Luke 22:19-20 and 1 Corinthians 11:24-25)?

Orthodox Judaism's [denying Yeshua as LORD] understanding on their *New Covenant with the house of Israel and Judah, as prophesied by Jeremiah and Zechariah will put to shame man's religious christendom with its denominational disunity and ongoing theological religious debating.

ADONAI-Tzva'ot, the LORD of Heaven's Armies says: "In those days ten men from different nations and languages of the world will clutch at the sleeve of one Jew. And they will say, "'Please let us walk with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" (Zechariah 8:23)​

Is not the above verse a reference to when "the house of Israel and Judah" are partakers of a better Covenant as prophesied by Jeremiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel, but not the same as recorded in the B'rit Chadashah (NT) ...

Matthew 26:28​

This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.​

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Hebrews 9:14-15 (CJB)​

then how much more the blood of the Messiah, who, through the eternal Spirit, offered Himself to God as a sacrifice without blemish, will purify our conscience from works that lead to death, so that we can serve the living God! 15 It is because of this death that He is mediator of a new covenant [or will].​

Ezekiel 36:26-27 is speaking of a future time yet to come when the Lord will rule with an iron scepter from Ezekiel's Temple with the 2nd Coming of Yeshua Hamashiach to establish His Kingdom on earth.

Ezekiel 36:26-27​

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.​

Is this not the same *New Covenant that Christendom has turned into a religion instead of an intimate relationship in which "Go and Sin No More" and "Stop Your Sinning Or Something Worse May Happen"' is not only expected, but possible. Apparently it was possible before Shavuot (Pentecost) to stop sinning. Now even moreso when truly, truly a new "born gain" (Titus 3:5) creation with the Holy Spirit as one's abiding counselor.

Will the New Covenant finally be realized by Christian Jews (Ezekiel 36:26-27); while way too many gentiles don't believe its possible to renew their minds and Stop Sinning.