THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

[The Liturgist]

Brother, what is clear is that all three are “Spirit.”

Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-24 NLT)​

When Paul uses the word "Spirit" alone, translators should not force him to refer to the Holy Spirit by adding the word "holy" before "Spirit," since this imposition of the Holy Spirit's identity is not found in God's original message, as the prophets guarantee. Paul tells us in context that he refers to Jesus as the "Spirit" in the following passage.

But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit (Jesus), and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is (us modeling Jesus' obedience), there is freedom (from sin). So all of us who have had that veil (Judaism's disobedience) removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord (full obedience to the Ten Commandments). And the Lord (Jesus)—who is the Spirit (Jesus)—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image (us modeling Jesus' obedience). (2 Corinthians 3:16-18 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

But the Nicene Creed declares that the Holy Spirit is the Lord and Giver of Life, (it also uses the title Lord to refer to Jesus Christ, so clearly within the Christian faith the word Lord can refer to any person of the Holy Trinity) so again, how do you reconcile your unusual interpretaiton of St. Paul with the Nicene Creed?

Furthermore, our primary source of information about how St. Paul became an Apostle comes from the Gospel According to St. Luke, and St. Luke was known to be the protege of St. Paul, so the idea that St. Paul would use terminology inconsistent with St. Luke and St. John seems particularly problematic.

 

[Bob S]

Thank you for your comments and time! No, I am not a hit and run kind of guy, but I do leave threads that are non-productive.

Almost everyone I have talked with combine the Ten Commandments with the Law so that was the emphases in my posts. I am glad you agree that the Ten are for everyone.

Hi AWB, thanks for your response. I think you misread my post. The Ten commandments according to Paul were only temporary and have been replaced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The rest of the laws are instructions on how to establish and observe the requirements of the Ten. For example,

All of the commands given at Sinai WERE commands of the Sinai Covenant.

Exactly how does one demonstrate their love of God?

Jesus said by loving others as He loves us.

How do we keep the Commandments in a way that God finds our actions acceptable? That is where the Law comes in. Remember that is was not the Law that was nailed to the cross, it was the ordnances of the Law that were held against us

Paul on 2Cor 3: 6-11 writes that the Ten commandments were the ministry of Death. Of course, the Law was against the Israelites. If they failed to keep the least jot or tittle the whole law was against them.
1 Different uses of the word ordinance. Notice all the uses of the word are commands. Jesus fulfilled the Law and brought it to an end at Calvary
a
: an authoritative decree or direction : order
On that day the king signed three ordinances.

b
: a law set forth by a governmental authority
specifically : a municipal regulation
A city ordinance forbids construction work to start before 8 a.m.

2
: something ordained or decreed by fate or a deity
Let ordinance come as the gods foresay [=foretell] it.—William Shakespeare

3
: a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony
observes the ordinance of abstinence during Lent

. The judgments and punishment which Jesus took upon Himself. What comes to mind is the judgment of Christ when he will sent away those who did marvelous works for the kingdom, and who were self righteous (Matt 7:23) Oh, do I profess to keep all of the laws of the Old Covenant? Of course not! I don't keep the Levitical laws - I am not a Levy nor do I serve God as a priest in the Temple. Nor do I keep the laws that are directed to women and children. Do I keep the food laws? Some I do, after all those laws are healthy eating!

Again, thank you for your insights, comments and time invested.

Jesus was very adamant concerning the Law. In Matt5 Jeus said not one jot or one tittle would pass from the Law, yet you are stating that you pick and choose which ones you deem to be important. There was a law that forbid cutting the hair on the sides. Concerning houses, if a house had mold it was to be demolished. Yes, we now have cleaners ,but that is not Law observance.

Thak you Jesus for coming to the Israelites and bringing all of those prohibiting laws to an end and giving all mankind the simple Gospel that even a child is able to grasp. Eph2: 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

 

[Bob S]

Brother, that's not what Paul is telling us! Paul tells us that Jesus is the "Spirit," superior to the "letters engraved in stone," the Ten Commandments, which Judaism disobeys by adding human traditions that "cancel" the Ten Commandments' purpose of eliminating the sin that leads to death.

Post #36 explains your error. Paul wrote in plain words that what WAS glorious has no Glory compared with the Glorious Holy Spirit. He wrote that the ten commandments (ministry of death) WAS temporary. The KJV even tells us the ten were done away. You can try to twist the truth to agree with your preconceived ideas, but we are not buying what you believe.

 

[Bob S]

Bob, do you know why there are so many denominations but only one truth?

Well, a good reason would be rules for some splitting. Some claim to have spiritual leaders that proclaim to have revelations. Some believe the old covenant Law is still binding and one cannot be saved without keeping some of them.

 

[guevaraj]

the word Lord can refer to any person of the Holy Trinity

Brother, the Lord is Jesus as the following passage clearly states.

But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:6 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[The Liturgist]

Brother, the Lord is Jesus as the following passage clearly states.

But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:6 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

We worship one God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and the title Lord can be used reasonably to refer to any person of the Holy and Undivided Trinity since all three are equally God.

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Notes​

* The word "catholic" (literally, "complete," "universal," or "according to the whole") refers to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ and not necessarily or exclusively to any particular visible denomination, institution, or doctrine.

** May be interpreted as baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or as a regenerating ordinance.

Thus, it is entirely correct to refer to the Holy Spirit as the Lord, the Giver of LIfe, who Spoke by the Prophets, since the Nicene Creed does so, and it does so with Scriptural justification as should be evident.

 

[The Liturgist]

Well, a good reason would be rules for some splitting. Some claim to have spiritual leaders that proclaim to have revelations. Some believe the old covenant Law is still binding and one cannot be saved without keeping some of them.

The main reason we have multiple denominations today I would argue was Nestorius, a fourth century heretic who caused a series of schisms directly or indirectly, which still partially exist today, and one such schism that would eventually result not from Nestorius but as a result of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, which was hastened by the Nestorian schism among other things, was the East-West schism of 1054 between the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church, because the RCC adopted Papal supremacy, and this in turn resulted in the Moravian schism in the 15th century when the Czechs, who had been Orthodox before being conquered by the Austrians, tried to regain what they had had under the Orthodox church like a vernacular liturgy and communion in both species (of the Body and Blood of our Lord), and as a result St. Jan Hus and St. Jerome of Prague who are venerated as saints in the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia were burned at the stake, and conditions continued to deteriorate leading to the schism between Rome and the followers Martin Luther, and then the schism in Geneva, and the schism in Zurich and elsewhere, and this led to some assuming schisms were normalized and led to the Radical Reformation and then to the Restorationist movement based on the belief that the early church had gone into some kind of apostasy (based on a limited knowledge of Western church history only), and while certain Protestant groups strongly emphasize unity, such as Anglicans and other traditional liturgical Protestants, others tended to separate into different denominations over very minor differences of opinion.

Meanwhile the original schisms in the East have partially healed with the ecumenical agreements between the persecuted Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches of Syria and Egypt, for example.

 

[guevaraj]

the title Lord can be used reasonably to refer to any person of the Holy and Undivided Trinity since all three are equally God.

Brother, the reason Jesus is Lord until the end and not the other two is that He must "reign" until He humbles all His enemies beneath His feet.

After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[A.W.B.]

Bob S.

Let me respond to your last post.

You referenced 2Cor 3:7, let me ad verses:6-11

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.1 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Context:

What was nailed to the cross? The “ordnances” that were held against us, not the Commandments or the Law itself, rather the required judgment and punishment required for breaking the Law (actual translation: Torah/Instructions), which informs us how to meet the requirements for keeping the Commandments, which we are encouraged to accomplish by our love of God

The ministry of condemnation is κατάκρισις katakrisis (ka-ta'-kriy-sis) n. sentencing adversely (the act), which is what Jesus took upon Himself, and paid our earned judgment: death. The Commandments and the Instructions remain intact, but not the judgment! The punishment was paid in full on the cross. The Commandments and the Law are no longer written in stone or in ink, but now written on our hearts (2Cor 3:3). Question: Is any compliance stilled required? If so, what? If not, why?

The cross: 2Cor 2:14. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross [civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical]. There is no release referenced from either the Commandments or the Instructions.

I recommend a rereading of 1Cor 7:19; Eph 2:15; 1John 2, 3;IJohn 5:2,3, and 2John 1:6, and my three favorites, Rev 12:17, 14:12; 22:14. Either the authors were, at best, in error, or at worse they were lying, with Paul being a little confused as to which to take. The apparent conclusion is that there is a problem in Scriptural interpretation.

Continue with what you think to be the correct view, yet stay willing to challenge your suppositions. May your studies be fruitful.

With that, I think, as you implied in your first post to me, it is time I drop this thread.

 

[A.W.B.]

My apologies. In the quote "The cross: 2Cor 2:14. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross [civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical]. There is no release referenced from either the Commandments or the Instructions.'

My cite of 2Cor 2:14 should have read Col 2:14, not 2Cor 2:14. /sigh/

 

[Bob S]

My apologies. In the quote "The cross: 2Cor 2:14. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross [civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical]. There is no release referenced from either the Commandments or the Instructions.'

My cite of 2Cor 2:14 should have read Col 2:14, not 2Cor 2:14. /sigh/

Linking Col 2:14 along with Eph2: seems to clear up what you quoted Col 2:14 as meaning. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. One of the meanings of the word ordinance is law.

Now when we read Matt5: (18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished). we get a new prospective on the word fulfill. According to Eph 2:15 the word fulfill means Jesus brought the Law to an end. Jesus did accomplish everything He came to do. Just as Paul wrote, we are not under the laws of the old covenant.

 

[DamianWarS]

When Jesus came, He confirmed this by saying He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. In Matthew 5:17–19, He said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.” He later said the whole law is built on two great truths: love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself. These two commands are the heart of the Ten Commandments. They do not replace them—they explain their spirit. And the Law of Moses, in all its details, was given to help God’s people live out these holy values in the real world.

There is some flawed logic in viewing the 10 as universal moral law as they have limits. Christ himself exposes these limits in Mat 5 and also with the rich man in Mat 19. The rich man says it best "All these I have kept ... What do I still lack?" (Mat 19:20) Believe it or not, it's not that hard to resist murdering someone, stealing or sleeping with your neighbour's wife (millions are already keeping these) All of these we may keep... yet still lack love, so we end up missing the point.

The immutable part of the 10 is not the part written in stone, it is the finger that wrote it. The moment it's committed to words, it's fallible because words have limits and cannot fully contain the infallible characteristics of the almighty. They are also limited by time because the 10 have a starting point, yet God has no starting point, and neither does his reason and logic. What the 10 shows is nothing new, and their immutable characteristics were always there, but what is new is the words and context it is expressed. 100 artists may paint a mountain, and each look different. But the paintings are not the mountain, and not one painting, nor the sum total, can replace the mountain itself. Even if God himself paints the mountain, that painting is still not the mountain. but they all still may be accurate representations of the mountain.

Christ's law does not replace the 10, but it is a better way of keeping them based on the same immutable constructs. The difference is that Christ doesn't make a list of things to do and not do, he instead introduces a heuristic approach to law, and this approach itself becomes lawful practice. When we violate Christ's law then law cannot be kept, regardless of how strict you were with the letter. But if by keeping Christ's law we violate the letter, law is not broken, and our Christ-like action is lawful. For example, Mat 12:12 says "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Goodness was always lawful on the sabbath, so it's not like this is new information, but Christ pushes it to show that goodness is a better way of keeping the sabbath (it was at least his preferred method) so any labour involved in said goodness is also lawful.

when we view the 10 as the base then we've already missed the point. the 10 are not the base, God is, (the 10 are from God). Christ shows us loving your neighbour as yourself is lawful, even on the sabbath so that should be our focus, which is the implied instruction of keeping the greatest commandment of loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind. The caveat of course is the heart, as the loving/goodness part should be an outflow from the heart transformed by Christ and spirit-led, this is law written upon our hearts. This, of course, is the gospel message.

1 Cor 7:19 says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts." this is a mirror version of Gal 5:6 "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love" and of Gal 6:15 "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation." These are a 3 versions of the same point, all written by Paul and showing us his intent of "God’s commands" is a focus of Christ's law, which is a consistent theme in Galatians (as well as the rest of the NT). So the 10 are not the base, God is, and it is Christ's law that should be our focus in the new covenant, as it is a better way, in doing so we do not cancel anything, and we do keep God's commandments.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not sure how one comes to the conclusion that Jesus taught its okay to break God's commandments when He literally said the opposite in the story of the rich young ruler


Mat 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[d] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

The rich young ruler may have been keeping the greatest commandment to love thy neighbor, but he broke the greatest commandments of all, to love God with all our heart soul and mind by choosing his "great possessions" over following Jesus breaking commandment #1 to not have any gods before Me. He chose His money over God.​

The commandments are fulfilled by love. The love of the rich young ruler's "great possession" obviously took precedence over his love for Jesus.


I'm also not sure how one comes to the conclusion that the commandments are impossible to keep when Jesus continued saying...

Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

God would not give commandments without giving us the power to keep them

It was never unlawful to do good on the Sabbath, like healing people who are sick instead of letting them suffer, because God is a God of love, this is what Jesus was correcting, never taught we can profane the Sabbath and do our own secular activities Isa 58:13 or not keep it the way He did Luke 4:16 who is our example in all ways 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-23

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Linking Col 2:14 along with Eph2: seems to clear up what you quoted Col 2:14 as meaning. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. One of the meanings of the word ordinance is law.

Now when we read Matt5: (18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished). we get a new prospective on the word fulfill. According to Eph 2:15 the word fulfill means Jesus brought the Law to an end. Jesus did accomplish everything He came to do. Just as Paul wrote, we are not under the laws of the old covenant.

No Bob Jesus never brought the law to an end, rather the penalty of death, you have it all wrong. I explained this to you already 100 times.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

There is some flawed logic in viewing the 10 as universal moral law as they have limits. Christ himself exposes these limits in Mat 5 and also with the rich man in Mat 19. The rich man says it best "All these I have kept ... What do I still lack?" (Mat 19:20) Believe it or not, it's not that hard to resist murdering someone, stealing or sleeping with your neighbour's wife (millions are already keeping these) All of these we may keep... yet still lack love, so we end up missing the point.

You miss the point because you do not understant what jesus did , he explained the laws, what they main and that they are all from one thing; LOVE.
Here is an example of his teachings;
Mat 7:12;Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

remember Jesus said love GOD wIth all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.

The ten commandments refereed to also as the Moral law are all from Love. all this Jesus did explain! as for the rich man you forget what is lacking, the rich young man did keep all his riches for himself and never helped anyone, is that love got your neighbour? it is still the same today the rich take from the poor and will not help anyone.

There is some flawed logic in viewing the 10 as universal moral law as they have limits. Christ himself exposes these limits in Mat 5 and also with the rich man in Mat 19. The rich man says it best "All these I have kept ... What do I still lack?" (Mat 19:20) Believe it or not, it's not that hard to resist murdering someone, stealing or sleeping with your neighbour's wife (millions are already keeping these) All of these we may keep... yet still lack love, so we end up missing the point.

if you say it is flawed logic to view the ten commandments as universel it is GOD you accuse, You can explain yourself with GOD when you see Him one day.

The immutable part of the 10 is not the part written in stone, it is the finger that wrote it. The moment it's committed to words, it's fallible because words have limits and cannot fully contain the infallible characteristics of the almighty. They are also limited by time because the 10 have a starting point, yet God has no starting point, and neither does his reason and logic. What the 10 shows is nothing new, and their immutable characteristics were always there, but what is new is the words and context it is expressed. 100 artists may paint a mountain, and each look different. But the paintings are not the mountain, and not one painting, nor the sum total, can replace the mountain itself. Even if God himself paints the mountain, that painting is still not the mountain. but they all still may be accurate representations of the mountain.

God's law is not fallible on the contrary, it is men who fail by lack of Love. If the 100 artists of your twisted analogy stuck with the words of GOD without criticizing all the time the mountain would look like a mountain and nothing else!

“How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” (Exodus 16:27–28)

Christ's law does not replace the 10, but it is a better way of keeping them based on the same immutable constructs. The difference is that Christ doesn't make a list of things to do and not do, he instead introduces a heuristic approach to law, and this approach itself becomes lawful practice. When we violate Christ's law then law cannot be kept, regardless of how strict you were with the letter. But if by keeping Christ's law we violate the letter, law is not broken, and our Christ-like action is lawful. For example, Mat 12:12 says "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". Goodness was always lawful on the sabbath, so it's not like this is new information, but Christ pushes it to show that goodness is a better way of keeping the sabbath (it was at least his preferred method) so any labour involved in said goodness is also lawful.

Christ's law as you may call it, is the fulfillment of the law he brought life to it in explaining how to follow it properly with intelligence compassion and Love.

when we view the 10 as the base then we've already missed the point. the 10 are not the base, God is, (the 10 are from God). Christ shows us loving your neighbour as yourself is lawful, even on the sabbath so that should be our focus, which is the implied instruction of keeping the greatest commandment of loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind. The caveat of course is the heart, as the loving/goodness part should be an outflow from the heart transformed by Christ and spirit-led, this is law written upon our hearts. This, of course, is the gospel message.

Christ came to explain all this already as wrote above.

1 Cor 7:19 says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts." this is a mirror version of Gal 5:6 "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love" and of Gal 6:15 "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation." These are a 3 versions of the same point, all written by Paul and showing us his intent of "God’s commands" is a focus of Christ's law, which is a consistent theme in Galatians (as well as the rest of the NT). So the 10 are not the base, God is, and it is Christ's law that should be our focus in the new covenant, as it is a better way, in doing so we do not cancel anything, and we do keep God's commandments.

Here are ten of the most beautiful verses in the Bible that speak about how the commandments of God are good, righteous, and bring life. Most of these come from the Old Testament, especially from Psalms, where King David often praised God's laws.

These are written in a simpler way for easy understanding:

1. Psalm 19:7 (NKJV)
“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.”
God's law is perfect and helps change our hearts. It gives wisdom even to those who are not learned.

2. Psalm 119:97 (NKJV)
“Oh, how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.”
David says he loves God’s law and thinks about it all the time.

3. Psalm 119:165 (NKJV)
“Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.”
When you love God’s commandments, you will have peace and not fall easily into sin.

4. Psalm 119:142 (NKJV)
“Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.”
God’s law is truth and never changes.

5. Psalm 119:72 (NKJV)
“The law of Your mouth is better to me
Than thousands of coins of gold and silver.”
God’s commandments are more valuable than money.

6. Psalm 111:7-8 (NKJV)
“The works of His hands are truth and justice;
All His precepts are sure.
They stand fast forever and ever,
And are done in truth and uprightness.”
God’s commandments are strong, true, and will last forever.

7. Deuteronomy 6:24 (NKJV)
“And the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as it is this day.”
God gave His laws to protect us and keep us alive.

8. Proverbs 6:23 (NKJV)
“For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life.”
God’s commandments show us the right way, like a lamp lighting the path.

9. Nehemiah 9:13-14 (NKJV)
“You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath…”
God’s commandments are just, good, and true. He also gave the Sabbath as part of them.

10. Psalm 19:8-10 (NKJV)
“The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold…”
God’s commands bring joy, light, and are worth more than gold.

 

[DamianWarS]

You miss the point because you do not understant what jesus did , he explained the laws, what they main and that they are all from one thing; LOVE.
Here is an example of his teachings;
Mat 7:12;Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

remember Jesus said love GOD wIth all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.

The ten commandments refereed to also as the Moral law are all from Love. all this Jesus did explain! as for the rich man you forget what is lacking, the rich young man did keep all his riches for himself and never helped anyone, is that love got your neighbour? it is still the same today the rich take from the poor and will not help anyone.



if you say it is flawed logic to view the ten commandments as universel it is GOD you accuse, You can explain yourself with GOD when you see Him one day.


God's law is not fallible on the contrary, it is men who fail by lack of Love. If the 100 artists of your twisted analogy stuck with the words of GOD without criticizing all the time the mountain would look like a mountain and nothing else!

“How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” (Exodus 16:27–28)


Christ's law as you may call it, is the fulfillment of the law he brought life to it in explaining how to follow it properly with intelligence compassion and Love.


Christ came to explain all this already as wrote above.

Here are ten of the most beautiful verses in the Bible that speak about how the commandments of God are good, righteous, and bring life. Most of these come from the Old Testament, especially from Psalms, where King David often praised God's laws.

These are written in a simpler way for easy understanding:

1. Psalm 19:7 (NKJV)
“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.”
God's law is perfect and helps change our hearts. It gives wisdom even to those who are not learned.

2. Psalm 119:97 (NKJV)
“Oh, how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.”
David says he loves God’s law and thinks about it all the time.

3. Psalm 119:165 (NKJV)
“Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.”
When you love God’s commandments, you will have peace and not fall easily into sin.

4. Psalm 119:142 (NKJV)
“Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.”
God’s law is truth and never changes.

5. Psalm 119:72 (NKJV)
“The law of Your mouth is better to me
Than thousands of coins of gold and silver.”
God’s commandments are more valuable than money.

6. Psalm 111:7-8 (NKJV)
“The works of His hands are truth and justice;
All His precepts are sure.
They stand fast forever and ever,
And are done in truth and uprightness.”
God’s commandments are strong, true, and will last forever.

7. Deuteronomy 6:24 (NKJV)
“And the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as it is this day.”
God gave His laws to protect us and keep us alive.

8. Proverbs 6:23 (NKJV)
“For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life.”
God’s commandments show us the right way, like a lamp lighting the path.

9. Nehemiah 9:13-14 (NKJV)
“You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath…”
God’s commandments are just, good, and true. He also gave the Sabbath as part of them.

10. Psalm 19:8-10 (NKJV)
“The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold…”
God’s commands bring joy, light, and are worth more than gold.

The love you speak of predates law, the 10 do not initiate it. Law that flows from this does not draw upon the 10 because the 10 are not the source of love, they point to the source.

This is the same with Christ's law, a Muslim may love his neighbor as himself, or keep the 10 but failing the context under Christ is only of superficial value. Isolated they need context to understand and apply but their words alone are not enough broadly good to follow and keep but alone are lacking. With the 10 its old covenant context exists in shadow and needs revelation through Christ to give it fulfilled meaning, indeed Christ came just for this, to fulfill law. Everything needs to be through a lens of Christ, if not we can only point to a shadow or have a superficial product.

You seem to see everything flowing through the 10, I see everything flowing through Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everything flows through Christ so when He says If you love Me, keep My commandments- do we show love to Him by following what He asks or doing what we feel is love instead.

The whole basis of the commandments is to show us how to love God and how to love man. Exo 20:6 1 John 5:2-3

Sadly most choose to follow their own heart.

Jer 19:7 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

1. Psalm 19:7 (NKJV)
“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.”
God's law is perfect and helps change our hearts. It gives wisdom even to those who are not learned.

2. Psalm 119:97 (NKJV)
“Oh, how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.”
David says he loves God’s law and thinks about it all the time.

3. Psalm 119:165 (NKJV)
“Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.”
When you love God’s commandments, you will have peace and not fall easily into sin.

4. Psalm 119:142 (NKJV)
“Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.”
God’s law is truth and never changes.

5. Psalm 119:72 (NKJV)
“The law of Your mouth is better to me
Than thousands of coins of gold and silver.”
God’s commandments are more valuable than money.

6. Psalm 111:7-8 (NKJV)
“The works of His hands are truth and justice;
All His precepts are sure.
They stand fast forever and ever,
And are done in truth and uprightness.”
God’s commandments are strong, true, and will last forever.

7. Deuteronomy 6:24 (NKJV)
“And the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as it is this day.”
God gave His laws to protect us and keep us alive.

8. Proverbs 6:23 (NKJV)
“For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life.”
God’s commandments show us the right way, like a lamp lighting the path.

9. Nehemiah 9:13-14 (NKJV)
“You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
You made known to them Your holy Sabbath…”
God’s commandments are just, good, and true. He also gave the Sabbath as part of them.

10. Psalm 19:8-10 (NKJV)
“The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold…”
God’s commands bring joy, light, and are worth more than gold.

Amen!

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Happy Preparation Day!

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The love you speak of predates law, the 10 do not initiate it. Law that flows from this does not draw upon the 10 because the 10 are not the source of love, they point to the source.

Yes I know this to love God is also to trust in Him and Obey His COMMANDS

This is the same with Christ's law, a Muslim may love his neighbor as himself, or keep the 10 but failing the context under Christ is only of superficial value. Isolated they need context to understand and apply but their words alone are not enough broadly good to follow and keep but alone are lacking. With the 10 its old covenant context exists in shadow and needs revelation through Christ to give it fulfilled meaning, indeed Christ came just for this, to fulfill law. Everything needs to be through a lens of Christ, if not we can only point to a shadow or have a superficial product.

You seem to see everything flowing through the 10, I see everything flowing through Christ.

Almost everyone forget the greatest commandment, to Love GOD with all out might and strength..
Christ do his father's will, we should do the same.

also to give the commandments full meaning does not mean they are abolished like many think, it is a grave error to think so.

 

[DamianWarS]

Yes I know this to love God is also to trust in Him and Obey His COMMANDS

Almost everyone forget the greatest commandment, to Love GOD with all out might and strength..
Christ do his father's will, we should do the same.

also to give the commandments full meaning does not mean they are abolished like many think, it is a grave error to think so.

I'm only addressing lawful action. Nothing is abolished.