The questions about Sabbath and Baptism

[Symes]

And if you go to any Catholic Church and ask the priest did the Catholic Church change it, they'll probably tell you yes. Ask them why, and what authority did they get to do it, and they probably will try to change the subject or avoid the question. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

One hundred years ago the Roman Catholic Church would have said openly that it was the Catholic Church that changed the day. Look up in your search engines a book called "Romes Challenge"

It is very up front in saying that it was the Roman Catholic Church that changed the day from Saturday to Sunday

 

[Symes]

This what I like about the Roman Catholic Church. They keep everything on record and it can be looked up to see what was said. I went in and looked up about the Sabbath and what they had to say. Here it is.

"Rome's Challenge"



http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/chalng.htm



Then in another book the following can be found.

"DOCTRINAL CATECHISM"



This is what it says.

[pg. 181] "Q. In what manner can we show a Protestant, that he speaks unreasonably against fasts and abstinences?
A. Ask him why he keeps Sunday, and not Saturday, as his day of rest, since he is unwilling either to fast or to abstain. If he reply, that the Scripture orders him to keep the Sunday, but says nothing as to fasting and abstinence, tell him the Scripture speaks of Saturday or the Sabbath, but gives no command anywhere regarding Sunday or the first day of the week. If, then, he neglects Saturday as a day of rest and holiness, and substitutes Sunday in its place, and this merely because such was the usage of the ancient Church, should he not, if he wishes to act consistently, observe fasting and abstinence, because the ancient Church so ordained?"

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

Yep. That's what alot of Protestants will do. They'll say that they don't agree with the Churches teachings or think that it has authority, and they'll be saying all this while they're at church on Sunday.

 

[Benedicta00]

And if you go to any Catholic Church and ask the priest did the Catholic Church change it, they'll probably tell you yes. Ask them why, and what authority did they get to do it, and they probably will try to change the subject or avoid the question. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

I am a Catholic and this is not true. There is nothing that any Protestant or other can throw at a priest that he will not be willing to answer to.

I did not read this whole thread but the Catholic Church did change the Sabbath because we are no longer under the OT law, we are no longer commanded to keep the Sat. Sabbath and that is all there is to it. Protestants worship on Sundays because the apostles decided this and that is okay, because Christ gave them the authority to decided this and it is a Catholic apostolic Tradition that the reformers never threw out, that is why Protestants have it. The OT laws do not have to be kept any more.

 

[adam332]

Shelb5,
you said;
"we are no longer commanded to keep the Sat. Sabbath and that is all there is to it. Protestants worship on Sundays because the apostles decided this and that is okay, because Christ gave them the authority to decided this and it is a Catholic apostolic Tradition that the reformers never threw out, that is why Protestants have it. The OT laws do not have to be kept any more."

You better check your facts including the admissions of such by your own church.
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(A letter and response to and from the RCC)

Thomaston, Georgia
May 22, 1934

Pope Pius XI

Rome, Italy

Dear Sir:

Is the accusation true that Protestants accuse you of? They say you changed the Seventh Day Sabbath to the so-called Christian Sunday: identical with the first day of the week. If so, when did you make the change and by what authority?

Yours very truly,

J. L. Day (Signed)

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The Catholic Extension Magazine
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180 Wabash Ave., Chicago, Illinois
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(Under the Blessing of Pope Pius XI)
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Dear Sir:

Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts.

(1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the

contrary observe Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say this church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide through life, has the right to change the Ceremonial Laws of the Old Testament; and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say "Yes, the church made the change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance the Friday abstinence, the un-married priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulations of Catholic marriages, and a thousand other laws.

(3) We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches, in pulpit legislature, demand the observance of Sunday, of

which there is nothing in the Bible..

With Best Wishes,

Peter R. Tramer, Editor (signed)
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"The Converts Cathecism of Catholic Doctrine" handbook, by Rev. peter Geiermann,C.SS.R.

Page 50

"3. The Third Commandment.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plentitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment command?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day."
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Funk and Wagnalls Encyclopedia, New Edition says this about Sabbath;



"observances followed on the Sabbath are derived from Biblical injunctions.

Jews and Christians alike are instructed to rest and to refrain from certain types of work.

Strictness of Sabbath observance among Jews and Christians was characteristic of early times and of the Middle Ages (q.v.); among the orthodox it continues today. Most Christian churches have transferred to the first day of the week many features of the Sabbath."



Funk and Wagnalls Encyclopedia, New Edition says this about Sunday;



"first day of the week, derived from the Roman holiday dies solis, meaning sun's day, and observed by most Christians as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Christ.

The Roman emperor Constantine 1st made dies solis an official, legal holiday.

Since the 4th century, ecclesiastical and civil legislation have limited work on Sunday, and Christians have traditionally attended religious services."

 

[adam332]

Continued from above....

1st Century Sabbath Observance

JOSEPHUS

"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

PHILO

Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99

2nd Century Sabbath Observance

EARLY CHRISTIANS

"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

EARLY CHRISTIANS

"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14

2ND CENTURY CHRISTIANS

"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.

EARLY CHRISTIANS

"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

EARLY CHURCH

"It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77

Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. Paul the Apostle foretold a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.

2ND, 3RD, 4TH CENTURIES

"From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.

3rd Century Sabbath Observance

EGYPT (OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRUS) (200-250 A.D.)

"Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).

EARLY CHRISTIANS-C 3rd

"Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.

AFRICA (ALEXANDRIA) ORIGEN

"After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)." "Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.

PALESTINE TO INDIA (CHURCH OF THE EAST)

As early as A.D. 225 there existed lallrge bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.

INDIA (BUDDHIST CONTROVERSY), 220 A.D.)

The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.

EARLY CHRISTIANS

"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34

4th Century Sabbath Observance

ITALY AND EAST-C 4th

"It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." "History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.

ORIENT AND MOST OF WORLD

"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138.

ABYSSINIA

"In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.

ARABIA, PERSIA, INDIA, CHINA

"Mingana proves that in 370 A.D. Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." "Truth Triumphanat,"p.308 (Footnote 27).

ITALY-MILAN

"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath" (1612)

SPAIN-COUNCIL ELVIRA (A.D.305)

Canon 26 of the Council of Elvira reveals that the Church of Spain at that time kept Saturday, the seventh day. "As to fasting every Sabbath: Resolved, that the error be corrected of fasting every Sabbath." This resolution of the council is in direct opposition to the policy the church at Rome had inaugurated, that of commanding Sabbath as a fast day in order to humiliate it and make it repugnant to the people.

SPAIN

It is a point of further interest to note that in north-eastern Spain near the city of Barcelona is a city called Sabadell, in a district originaly inhabited. By a people called both "Valldenses" and Sabbatati."

PERSIA-A.D. 335-375 (40 YEARS PERSECUTION UNDER SHAPUR II)

The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." Truth Triumphant," p.170.

PERSIA-A.D.335-375

"They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.

COUNCIL LAODICEA-A.D.365

"Canon 16-On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud." "Canon 29-Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.

5th Century Sabbath Observance

THE WORLD

"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrated the sacred mysteries (the Lord's Supper) on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Allexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." The footnote which accompanies the foregoing quotation explains the use of the word "Sabbath." It says: "That is, upon the Saturday. It should be observed, that Sunday is never called "the Sabbath' by the ancient Fathers and historians." Sacrates, "Ecclestical History," Book 5, chap. 22, p. 289.

CONSTANTINOPLE

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.

THE WORLD-AUGUSTINE, BISHOP OF HIPPO (NORTH AFRICA)

Augustine shows here that the Sabbath was observed in his day "in the greater part of the Christian world," and his testimony in this respect is all the more valuable because he himself was an earnest and consistent Sunday-keeper. See "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," 1st Series, Vol.1, pp. 353, 354.

POPE INNOCENT (402-417)

Pope Sylvester (314-335) was the first to order the churches to fast on Saturday, and Pope Innocent (402-417) made it a binding law in the churches that obeyed him, (In order to bring the Sabbath into disfavour.) "Innocentius did ordain the Saturday or Sabbath to be always fasted." Dr. Peter Heylyn, "History of the Sabbath, Part 2, p. 44.

5TH CENTURY CHRISTIANS

Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church. "Ancient Christianity Exemplified," Lyman Coleman, ch. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.

In Jerome's day (420 A.D.) the devoutest Christians did ordinary work on Sunday. "Treatise of the Sabbath Day," by Dr. White, Lord Bishop of Ely, p. 219.

FRANCE

"Wherefore, except Vespers and Nocturns, there are no public services among them in the day except on Saturday (Sabbath) and Sunday." John Cassian, A French monk, "Institutes," Book 3, ch. 2.

AFRICA

"Augustine deplored the fact that in two neighbouring churches in Africa one observes the seventh-day Sabbath, another fasted on it." Dr. Peter Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath." p. 416.

SPAIN (400 A.D.)

"Ambrose sanctified the seventh day as the Sabbath (as he himself says). Ambrose had great influence in Spain, which was also observing the Saturday Sabbath." Truth Triumphant, p. 68.

SIDONIUS (SPEAKING OF KING THEODORIC OF THE GOTHS, A.D. 454-526)

"It is a fact that it was formerly the custom in the East to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Lord's day and to hold sacred assemblies: while on the other hand, the people of the West, contending for the Lord's day have neglected the celebration of the Sabbath." "Apollinaries Sidonli Epistolae," lib.1, 2; Migne, 57.

CHURCH OF THE EAST

"Mingana proves that in 410 Isaac, supreme director of the Church of the East, held a world council,-stimulated, some think, by the trip of Musacus,-attended by eastern delegates from forty grand metrop olitan divisions. In 411 he appointed a metropolitan director for China. These churches were sanctifying the seventh day."

EGYPT

"There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries." Sozomen. "Ecclesiastical History Book 7, ch. 119

 

[Benedicta00]

Adam,

In what way did I contradict what you posted?

We do not worship on the Jewish Sabbath because we do not need to, the apostles were given the authority to bind and lose and the reformers accept that, they just do not accept all that they bind and lose. On who’s authority do they pick and choose what Traditions to accept and throw out?

 

[Symes]

I did not read this whole thread but the Catholic Church did change the Sabbath because we are no longer under the OT law, we are no longer commanded to keep the Sat. Sabbath and that is all there is to it. Protestants worship on Sundays because the apostles decided this and that is okay, because Christ gave them the authority to decided this and it is a Catholic apostolic Tradition that the reformers never threw out, that is why Protestants have it. The OT laws do not have to be kept any more.

Michelle

Michelle

Can you show me from Scripture where and when the apostles were given the authority to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

I have been looking for this information fo so long and would like someone to show me where it is.

 

[Symes]

"Rome's Challenge" is another book where the

Roman Catholic Church say that she changed the

day from Saturday to Sunday.

 

[adam332]

The Sabbath is not Jewish...anymore than thou shalt not Murder is Jewish. The Sabbath was made for man. and was instituted 2300 yrs before the first Jew. Christ did not grant the authority to change his holy word...neither did the apostles substitute the Sabbath for any other day. It is not a ceremonial law which were applied after sin. It is a moral law that stood before sin.

Until Christ who created the Sabbath tells us that he has removed his blessing from that day and that command is now void...then it stands until he does. From the 7th day of creation unto the New Heavens and Earth so shall the Sabbath be.

Tradition of man that contradicted the word of God was spoken of repeatedly by Christ as holding no value. To say that the tradition of the later church stands as your basis for doctrine is in direct contradiction to the word of our Lord. The only instruction the word of God has ever given us about Sunday is that it is to be used for our business. The Sabbath is the day which we are commanded to rest in him and is set aside for his business.

To quote the words that were blessed by one of your Popes....

"Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath."

They readily admit with this statement and others that the Bible DOES NOT allow or instruct any day other than the Sabbath.

 

[Benedicta00]

Michelle

Can you show me from Scripture where and when the apostles were given the authority to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

I have been looking for this information fo so long and would like someone to show me where it is.

Matthew: Thou art Peter and on THIS ROCK I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail, I give YOU the KEYS to the Kingdom, what so ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, what so ever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

John: As the father has sent me, SO I SEND YOU. He breathed on his apostles and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit, what sins you forgive are forgiven, what sin you retain are retained.”

The apostles were given all authority from Christ to teach in His name.

 

[Benedicta00]

"Rome's Challenge" is another book where the

Roman Catholic Church say that she changed the

day from Saturday to Sunday.

Yes we know we changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and we are proud to say that we did, and all Christians worship on Sunday because of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Just as ALL Christians have the canon of scriptures due to the Church and they have the doctrine of the Trinity due to the Church preserving it and protecting it, just as they have the dual natures of Christ, being fully human and fully divine.

 

[Benedicta00]

One hundred years ago the Roman Catholic Church would have said openly that it was the Catholic Church that changed the day. Look up in your search engines a book called "Romes Challenge"

It is very up front in saying that it was the Roman Catholic Church that changed the day from Saturday to Sunday

And we are still up front about it.

 

[Benedicta00]

To quote the words that were blessed by one of your Popes....

"Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath."

They readily admit with this statement and others that the Bible DOES NOT allow or instruct any day other than the Sabbath

Adam,

We do not deny this, what your quote says is that we have the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ before there even was a "bible." The oral word of God is what the Church of Christ was established on and that Church survived, Christianity survived for nearly 400 years on the oral word of God which we call, Tradition, it is the word of the apostles who learned directly from Christ that teaches us.

The written word of God was decided by the Roman Catholic Church. They choose what was inspired and what was not, how did they know? Apostolic Tradition.

The written word contains the truth and nothing but the truth but it does not contain all the teachings of Christ and the bible even says as much.

So what you quote means is that if you as a Protestant are only going to have the scriptures as your only rule of faith then you should be prepared to throw out a lot of Christian doctrine, not just the changing of the Sabbath (the Trinity and the dual natures of Christ is to name two), because there is a lot that is not found in scripture explicitly. Tradition contains the fullness of the Christian faith and scripture supports all that Tradition teaches whether it be explicit or implicit and it most certainly does NOT contradict anything that Tradition teaches us. As you have demonstrated yourself. The scriptures do not contradict that the worship day should be on Sunday and no longer on Sat. The scriptures do not contradict what the Church has always taught, that we are no longer under the OT law.

 

[adam332]

What were they to teach? Surely not anything contrary to His word. Guess what...I am also a disciple of Christ and have also been given the authority to teach His word. And His word states that the Sabbath is a command and that He is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[adam332]

I never said the early church was wrong in everything they did. They got many things right and God is able to use anything to futher his will. Just because they are correct about the trinity, etc... does not mean they are correct about the Sabbath. Just because the Bible does not use the word "trinity" does not mean the concept is not clearly and repeatedly there. I do not need any church to tell me what the Bible means. I can read. Nor do I need any church to tell me what is inspired...for those he has left his Holy Spirit.

If I tell you that Christ is Lord..am I right? What if I then tell you that the sky is green with red polka-dots am I automatically right just because my previous statement was correct? Come on be a little logical here...

The apostles of Christ DID NOT teach Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath. Even John spoke of the vision he had on the Sabbath, the Lord's day. If these changes were inspired why didn't they see fit to include those in the Bible? Some of your church's earliest bishops were high priests in the Pagan temples. They did not switch their vocation they simply switched who they claimed to serve.

 

[Benedicta00]

I never said the early church was wrong in everything they did. They got many things right and God is able to use anything to futher his will. Just because they are correct about the trinity, etc... does not mean they are correct about the Sabbath.

If I tell you that Christ is Lord..am I right? What if I then tell you that the sky is green with red polka-dots am I automatically right just because my previous statement was correct? Come on be a little logical here...

The apostles of Christ DID NOT teach Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath. Even John spoke of the vision he had on the Sabbath, the Lord's day. If these changes were inspired why didn't they see fit to include those in the Bible? Some of your church's earliest bishops were high priests in the Pagan temples. They did not switch their vocation they simply switched who they claimed to serve.

No they were not. That is a false recollection of history. There were Pagans who mimicked Christian worship and ordained a clergy to serve in their temples as a last ditched attempt to save paganism in Rome. They were not affiliated with the Christians, which were the Catholic bishops, and because of the Catholic Church preaching and teaching the truth, paganism never survived.

 

[Benedicta00]

What were they to teach? Surely not anything contrary to His word. Guess what...I am also a disciple of Christ and have also been given the authority to teach His word. And His word states that the Sabbath is a command and that He is Lord of the Sabbath.

And they don't, didn't I explain that already?

Well if you are a apostle where can I find that in scripture?

 

[adam332]

Exo. 20:10 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."

Lev.23:3 "... the seventh day...it is the sabbath of the LORD ..."

Deu.5:14 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."

Mat.12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5 "... the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

There are still, 15 additional instances which all show clearly that the Christ calls the seventh day “my Sabbath(s)”, again laying ownership of only one special day, (Exo. 31:13, Lev. 19:3, 30, 26:2, Isa. 56:4, Eze. 20:12,13,16,20,21,24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24).
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Exo. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Heb. 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath to the people of God.10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Symes]

Matthew: Thou art Peter and on THIS ROCK I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail, I give YOU the KEYS to the Kingdom, what so ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, what so ever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

John: As the father has sent me, SO I SEND YOU. He breathed on his apostles and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit, what sins you forgive are forgiven, what sin you retain are retained.”

The apostles were given all authority from Christ to teach in His name.

Michelle

None of what you quoted says anything about having the authority to change the day of worship. If you are going to claim such authority then you must have a text that says so. So far you have not given me one.

Can you address the exact request and give me one please.
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