The question cessationists must answer.

[W2L]

Thats your answer?
The question was...
have you recieved the holy Spirit and do you speak in tongues, heal the sick, prophecy ,dream dreams, have visions are you FREE from sin ?

What business is that of yours? Not trying to be harsh but you are alittle pushy asking such questions.

 

[Alithis]

It's right there in Rev 11:3

And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.​

Why would God have to specifically appoint 2 prophets, if the gift of prophecy hadn't ceased?

Umm in revelation it speaks of Quite a number of kings that will come...
Does that mean that all kings have ceased until those ones rise...
I mean your reasoning is honestly that ridiculous ... There is just no other term for it.

 

[Alithis]

What business is that of yours? Not trying to be harsh but you are alittle pushy asking such questions.

Ok that means your answer is no.

No one whose answer is yes would skip the oppurtunity to testify to the fact.

 

[W2L]

Ok that means your answer is no.

No one whose answer is yes would skip the oppurtunity to testify to the fact.

No i dont do miracles. Surely by now you should know that. Whats the point in asking me if i speak in tongues though? And if i have the Spirit? Seriously?

 

[Alithis]

Maybe due to you not buying into WoF?

Im not WOF ...why would i want him to buy into it

 

[Alithis]

No i dont do miracles. Surely by now you should know that. Whats the point in asking me if i speak in tongues though? And if i have the Spirit? Seriously?

You teach against these things then ?

 

[Alithis]

Yes, as the Bible is the very word of the Lord unto us, isinfallible and fully trustworthy and never wrong when understood properly, unlike words of knowledge and wisdom at times people have given forth unto others!

You worship the book.
I worship the One the book is about

 

[W2L]

You teach against these things then ?

No, i dont teach im just a guy on the internet with my own view of things. But to answer your question, i dont believe in people who boast in gifts. These denominations cant even come up with the same doctrine, cant even agree on how church should be organized and what should be taught there. They have added their fallible traditions to the church thereby causing its division. You call that a gift of the Spirit?

 

[Alithis]

Im sitting here with some missionary friends that have been sent here by the lord to help in the work.
They just shared how they were in sth africa and asked a group of very stern anc supporters if any one wanted prayer for healing. A promanant lady turned to her group and snidley said

"I wonder money how much these peoole want for thier prayers"

My friend heard her and said No we dont ask any money its for FREE.

The lady spun around shocked and asked "you speak my language"?
He said No i just heard what you said. now everyone was listening.his wife said..but she definatly did not speak in english..and the lady confirmed she did not.
But my friend said .but i heard you in English..

Folks this is a real live testimony of real life .
The gifts of interpretation of tongues is as alive today as is the Lord Jesus.dont listen to these unbelieving naysayers.
Having a form of Godliness they deny the power there of.
They need to Repent of unbelief.

Yep for real .so i repeat it

 

[W2L]

You worship the book.
I worship the One the book is about

Yes we know, you are spirit filled.

 

[Alithis]

No, i dont teach im just a guy on the internet with my own view of things. But to answer your question, i dont believe in people who boast in gifts. These denominations cant even come up with the same doctrine, cant even agree on how church should be organized and what should be taught there. They have added their fallible traditions to the church thereby causing its division. You call that a gift of the Spirit?

.and ..you are here. Teahing others by your posts fallible and false doctrines based on zero scripture.and by your own declaration saying you base what you say only on your OPINION.
So you are exsctly what you are accusing others to be.
You read at some time the scripture.
But you dont believe it.
You just believe your own opinion .

 

[W2L]

.and ..you are here. Teahing others by your posts fallible and false doctrines based on zero scripture.and by your own declaration saying you base what you say only on your OPINION.
So you are exsctly what you are accusing others to be.
You read at some time the scripture.
But you dont believe it.
You just believe your own opinion .

I think you're confused. Im not claiming to speak by any authority. I simply observe the folks who claim to be gifted and note how divided they are. Is division a gift of the Spirit?. You ignore my point about the divisions in the church and go on your little rant about how you have the gifts and we dont.

 

[Alithis]

I think you're confused. Im not claiming to speak by any authority. I simply observe the folks who claim to be gifted and note how divided they are. Is division a gift of the Spirit?. You ignore my point about the divisions in the church and go on your little rant about how you have the gifts and we dont.

Repeat.. Yes Jesus said i bring a sword ..it divides.it devides the true from the false
The flesh from the spirit.
The point is well covered in scripture.
Division or lack of it cannot be used as a measure.
You dont observe any one
You stand in judgment based upon Only your opinion.
Your fallible opinion .
You are exactly what you accuse others of.
You need to repent and believe in Jesus and listen to and DO all he said his disciples are to do.

 

[Alithis]

Im sitting here with some missionary friends that have been sent here by the lord to help in the work.
They just shared how they were in sth africa and asked a group of very stern anc supporters if any one wanted prayer for healing. A promanant lady turned to her group and snidley said

"I wonder money how much these peoole want for thier prayers"

My friend heard her and said No we dont ask any money its for FREE.

The lady spun around shocked and asked "you speak my language"?
He said No i just heard what you said. now everyone was listening.his wife said..but she definatly did not speak in english..and the lady confirmed she did not.
But my friend said .but i heard you in English..

Folks this is a real live testimony of real life .
The gifts of interpretation of tongues is as alive today as is the Lord Jesus.dont listen to these unbelieving naysayers.
Having a form of Godliness they deny the power there of.
They need to Repent of unbelief.

 

[W2L]

Repeat.. Yes Jesus said i bring a sword ..it divides.it devides the true from the false

You need to repent and believe in Jesus and listen to and DO all he said his disciples are to do.

I'll prove you wrong using scripture right now. When Jesus said he brought a sword, this doesn't mean he wants His Church divided. To say otherwise is to ignore all the times the apostle Paul exhorted the church to not have ANY divisions. So who should repent here? Clearly you. Repent of your ignorance of sound doctrine.

 

[Alithis]

I'll prove you wrong using scripture right now. When Jesus said he brought a sword, this doesn't mean he wants His Church divided. To say otherwise is to ignore all the times the apostle Paul exhorted the church to not have ANY divisions. So who should repent here? Clearly you. Repent of your ignorance of sound doctrine.

You just completly changed the topic
And have given no sound doctrine.
Good grief .you told me at least 2 times that you base what you say on your opinion not
Scripture .
Sound doctrine is NOT based on Your opinions

 

[W2L]

You just completly changed the topic
And have given no sound doctrine.
Good grief .you told me at least 2 times that you base what you say on your opinion not
Scripture.

I see you cannot admit defeat. Thats ok. Happy thanksgiving.

 

[LoveofTruth]

So where it says "they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the market place before the authorities", Luke was being economical with the truth and it was really Paul, Silas and Timothy?

And all the other references to just "Paul and Silas" being in prison in Acts 16 were really "Paul, Silas, & Timothy".

Come off it.

No, if you read the chapter we read of Timothy being taken along. It says Paul and Silus were "caught", it is very possible Timothy imply did not get caught.

as we read

"1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:

2 Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.


3 Him [Timotheus] would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.


4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.


5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.


6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,


7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.


8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.


9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.


10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.


11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;


12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.


13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.


14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.


15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.


16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:


17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.


18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


19 And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,"(Acts 16:1-19 KJV)

 

[Billy Evmur]

Then how do you explain the thousands of Christians with cancer who have prayed to God for healing, but did not received it and subsequently died? God did not grant their healing did he.

There are many and vexacious reasons why this is so, not least that 80% of the church do not believe that healing is included in salvation, don't believe it don't preach it, don't expect it so don't receive it.

The church is backslidden, how come so many, many Christians are living sinful lifestyles?

I would not say [never, never] that every sin is linked to individual sin but it is linked to faith.

Look suppose you were sick, but you were not sure if healing is from God? if God were to heal you, you would always have a worry, a doubt in your mind as to whether or not your healing was from God or was a deception. Your trust in God so far as the salvation of your soul is so much more important.

Let me say this. the promise for healing is as rock solid in scripture as the promise of pardon, in fact they are in the very same passages of scripture, there is not a Christian ever born who doubts the portion concerning pardon but they do doubt the portion concerning healing.

Until healing is preached and believed in [by preachers] with the same faith and certainty as pardon we will never see the great works as witnessed in the bible.

 

[Billy Evmur]

It didn't answer my question, it was just the usual ad-hominen anti-cessationist rant. And it certainly didn't sting me. I am quite used to charismatics insulting me when they are confronted with the biblical truth. Just look at the recent posts in this topic. In fact I am quite happy to be reviled for fighting for the faith.

"If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed" (1 Peter 4:14)

You are not fighting for the faith but for the doubt.