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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Billy Evmur, Nov 4, 2018.

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  1. YeshuaFan

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    Jesus did heal all that came unto him, but that was while he was here on earth, and is not the norm for us today!
     
  2. YeshuaFan

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    Christians need to really study the scriptures, and to better understand that the book of Acts did record what happened historically, but was not to be the normal way God would operate going forward!
     
  3. YeshuaFan

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    I will not move off the scriptures, as they are the only infallible source of revelation from god to us!
     
  4. YeshuaFan

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    I was saying the same thing, as the language spoken was not known to the person speaking it, but was a real language...
     
  5. swordsman1

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    I'm afraid you are mistaken. Read it again. How did Peter know the Gentiles received the Spirit? What was the evidence? Peter tells us, "For they heard them speaking in tongues". Peter then says the gentiles had "received the Holy Spirit just as we did". If the gentiles were speaking a non-human language, then Peter was lying - they did not receive the Spirit just as the disciples did, they received the Spirit in a different manner. No, the reason the hated Gentiles were accepted into the church was that they received the Spirit in the exact same way as the disciples did. Otherwise at best they would have been regarded as a different class of Christians or worse not accepted at all.

    Sorry, but Paul never said that he or anyone else spoke in the tongues of angels. The context of that passage makes it absolutely clear that the tongues of angels was an exaggerated hypothetical example to make the point that having gifts, even to the highest conceivable degree, is worthless without love.
     
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  6. YeshuaFan

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    That was a unique situation , as God gave the saved Gentiles the same gift of tongues as he did the Jews, in order to show that Jesus was Messiah for both Jews and Gentiles!
     
  7. Deborah D

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    I didn't miss your point. I quoted what you said and addressed what you said. What do you mean by "name and claim"?
     
  8. W2L

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    You did miss my point if you dont know what im talking about. Im referring to WOF teaching and also the prosperity Gospel.
     
  9. Deborah D

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    OK, for those who aren't familiar with WOF, please explain specifically what WOF teaching you object to. But make sure that what you share is what they actually teach.
     
  10. W2L

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    Do they not teach the prosperity gospel? Look at the name, its called Word of Faith. Thats the name it and claim it thing i was talking about.
     
  11. Francis Drake

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    Nope. The scripture writers got it right, but your distortion of scripture gets it wrong.
    Of course they were, its what I have said all along.
    According to scripture, and as I said last time,- "Even today, all ministers are frauds, unless appointed by Christ and moving in His anointing,"
    Which is what Paul said.-
    Romans12v6And we are having different gifts according to the grace having been given to us: if prophecy, according to the proportion of the faith; 7or service, in the service; or teaching, in the teaching; 8or exhorting, in the exhortation; giving, in generosity; leading, in diligence; showing mercy, in cheerfulness.

    Nobody should be ministering, unless he is doing so through the Holy Spirit.
    Its hardly surprising the first century apostles and prophets died 2000 years ago, but so did the evangelists pastors and teachers.
    But thankfully those ministries have never been revoked, which is why we still see pastors and teachers and evangelists. The fact that apostles and prophets are persecuted out of the church today is entirely down to the doctrines of demons taught in many churches.

    Correct, that's why I listed him. Acts13v2Now as they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart then to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

    But Barnabas wasn't just appointed, he was appointed an apostle.
    Acts14v14But the apostles Barnabas and Paul having heard, having torn their garments...………………

    As I said, Barnabas was an apostle, which disproves your argument.
    Wrong again.
    Paul counted Apollos as an apostle alongside himself in these passages.-
    1Cor4v6Now I have applied these things, brothers, to myself and Apollos, on account of you, so that in us you may learn,..................….9For I think God has exhibited us, the apostles, last, as appointed to death, ……………

    Paul also counted Sylvanus and Timothy as fellow apostles when he wrote to the Thessalonians.
    1Thes1v1Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians....


    1Thes2v3For our exhortation was not of error, nor of impurity, nor in trickery; 4but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God, the One examining our hearts. 5For never at any time were we with word of flattery, just as you know, nor with a pretext for greed—God is witness— 6nor seeking glory from men, nor from you, nor from others, though having authority with weight to be, as apostles of Christ.

    Paul also calls Epaphroditus a fellow apostle
    Phil2v25And I thought it necessary Epaphroditus -- my brother, and fellow-workman, and fellow-soldier, and your apostle and servant to my need -- to send unto you,
     
  12. RDKirk

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    Word of Faith doctrine may depend on continuation of the charismatic operation of the Holy Spirit, but the two are not identical, and WoF doctrine is not a setpoint of this debate.

    It matters not to this debate whether WoF is true. Let's say for the record that WoF is false--but its falseness does not support cessationism.

    That's just deflection on the part of cessationists.
     
  13. W2L

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    Not a deflection but a concern,.
     
  14. Deborah D

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    So, do you know what WOF preachers teach? It sounds to me like you're ranting on and on about something you're not even sure about.

    I'm not defending WOF. I have some problems with their theology, but I can tell you specifically what I disagree with rather than making generalizations, which is all I've seen you do.
     
  15. W2L

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    No, thats not correct, there were two very distinctive points that i was addressing.
     
  16. Deborah D

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    And both of these points are what WOF actually teaches?

    You're going to have to support your argument!
     
  17. W2L

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    Yes thats what they teach. I have heard it with my own ears, and i have also heard the truth about it with my ears as well. His sheep know His voice and follow it. Do not store wealth on earth. Its that simple. The prosperity gospel is wrong.
     
  18. Deborah D

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    Tell me the 2 points and give examples of WOF preachers teaching them!
     
  19. W2L

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    Its pretty common knowledge. I suggest you do the research. You are the one who is defending the WOF movement but you dont even know what they teach.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    W2L is deflecting you from the primary issue, Deborah D.
     
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