Judging you? Well I suppose I did. But, IF what I said was
true, then what are you complaining about? After all I included myself in the rich 'church of America' just in case you missed that point.
My posts almost always have scripture. And my last one, which you never addressed at all, quoted three. So if I
twisted 'anything', then this post of yours should be a written rebuttal instead of just sounding like a cheap bottle of whine.
As for your judgment of me '
twisting scriptures'...let me just share my post again and
elaborate this time, so you can easily 'point out my error'....in your next post.
The quote boxes below were from my last post with the scriptures I quoted
"in part". But they are now here 'in red in the quote' and below the quote box is the full RED verse below, so as to help others know I'm quoting the bible.
This first verse is just showing the difference between the 'unknown tongue' of a Christian's spirit. Even the translators correctly did not capitalize
spirit here.
1CO 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
And as for this next verse I share two different translations. It is a verse which your side understandably hates to have quoted, because it clearly points out
THREE different groups. Charismatic Christians, NON Charismatic Christians and complete heathens.
KJV 1CO 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues (Charismatics), and there come in those that are unlearned/idiotes, or unbelievers/apistos, will they not say that ye are mad?
NAS 1CO 14:23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted/idiotes men or unbelievers/apistos enter, will they not say that you are mad?
Group ONE is the "
whole Church" which is obviously
ALL charismatic since Paul even believes
If therefore ALL speak in tongues. Now I know that modern "
ungifted/unlearned" began to call this statement a hyperbole, a long time ago, and it's no 'wonder why'. Funny thing is, Paul never said that it was hyperbole. So it seems to me that it is your side who is "
twisting the scriptures" as far my side is concerned.
Group TWO is the "
unlearned" (KJV) and the "
ungifted" (NAS) ones. I only see this, as a group of non Charismatic Christians at Corinth which Paul said would have judged the Corinthian Charismatics as speaking like "
mad" men, IF they ever showed up in a Charismatic church. So, I see no twisting here of scripture on our part either. I just see your side not liking the harsh language of what Paul said, and then I see you getting mad at me for pointing it out.
"
ungifted" "unlearned"
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idiotes: a private person, i.e. (by impl.) an ignoramus (comp. "idiot")
Group THREE is simply those who are non Christian heathens or "
unbelievers" even as the Greek below defines them to be;
"
unbelievers"
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apistos: (act.) disbelieving, i.e.
without Christian faith (spec.
a heathen); (pass.) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing)
Then we come to the word in the next quote which my post didn't do justice is presenting. We were coming out of 'a canyon camping trip' and I didn't have my computer to post with. And on my phone it's too hard for me to post color/bold/full scripture. But in rereading my post, I notice that I left the complete (Acts 2:6) verse out which I was referring to, so I'll present it here. And if you think I've twisted anything at all, just share my error with your next post.
And here is that
interesting word which was used in Acts 2:6
ACT 2:6 And at this sound/phone the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.
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phone fo-nay' probably akin to 5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate,
bestial or
artificial); by implication, an address (for any purpose), saying or language:--noise, sound, voice.
So, according to this verse above the
unbelieving Jews heard the disciples in the house of the Lord on the day of Pentecost speaking in a prayer language which sounded like a "
bestial" or "artificial" articulation. Sure doesn't sound like 'foreign languages of men' like your side twists the scripture to believe. And it was that "
sound/
phone" which drew the crowd to THEN hear the manifestated "
gift of tongues" from the
Holy
Spirit (not the disciple's
spirit), speaking in tongues of men, which men did understand.
So, there I've hopefully backed up everything I said.