The Quadrinity of God

[miknik5]

An awful lot like a human fathers son, and they are two.

Or, "I am the fullness of my Dad made manifest in the flesh.". Meaning my Dad taught me well, and I accepted what I was taught of my own free will, and learned well, thus I am the fullness of him/his thoughts, even his looks to a point, in his image...but I am a separate entity with free will that chose to be the same as my Dad.

Just as we do with God, but not quit as well as Christ did..

Do you agree that there is only ONE who opened the TRUE MATRIX?

And is it TRUE that it is only through HIM that one can come to THE FATHER?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Are you behng conformed to HIS IMAGE? And is this an ongoing work of the HOLY SPIRIT?

Yes.

And can we, apart from the SON (who came in our covering/likeness (that is, flesh) so that we might be covered and made into HIS likeness), sanctify ourselves?

No.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do you agree that there is only ONE who opened the TRUE MATRIX?

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And is it TRUE that it is only through HIM that one can come to THE FATHER?

Of course. Not sure why you ask but is there something in my post that indicated otherwise?

 

[miknik5]

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Of course. Not sure why you ask but is there something in my post that indicated otherwise?

I think maybe I misunderstood your post

That a son could even say that he is the fullness of his dad made manifest.

I thought that you were saying that a natural son could claim that he is exactly as his father

 

[miknik5]

Remember the law of a first born son. That the first born son who opened the matrix was the consecrated set apsrt son who earned the full birthright of his father

But all those pointed to the ONE AND ONLY who came forth from GOD and opened the TRUE MATRIX )between heaven and earth through (and only through) HIS BODY

No man can come to THE FATHER except through HIM who opened THE WAY into the presence of THE FATHER through THE TRUE VEIL , which is HIS BODY

 

[Kenny'sID]

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I think maybe I misunderstood your post

That a son could even say that he is the fullness of his dad made manifest.

I thought that you were saying that a natural son could claim that he is exactly as his father

Yeah, the way I put it could be misunderstood. I was trying to say a lot with as few words as possible.

Yes, it's a learning experience. Some things seem to come ingrained in us at birth from both our Dad and God, but that's a somewhat mysterious area I won't get into. Otherwise, as mentioned, we willfully learn from our Father/dads. And just as God/father and Dad, we will never be exactly like them. We were made in the image of both, but though we are like both, free will dictates we won't be exactly like them....ever.

The more the better when it comes to God, but it's up to us how much.

 

[miknik5]

Yeah, the way I put it could be misunderstood. I was trying to say a lot with as few words as possible.

Yes, it's a learning experience. Some things seem to come ingrained in us at birth, but that's a mysterious area I won't get into. Otherwise, as mentioned, we willfully learn from our Father/dads. And just as God/father and Dad, we will never be exactly like them. We were made in the image of both, but though we are like both, free will dictates we won't be exactly like them....ever.

The more the better when it comes to God, but it's up to us how much.

Which is why HE is a launderer and disciplines HIS children

And we know that if we are not disciplined than we are illegitimate children

It's why we are to bring all our works into the Light so as to discern what is wrought in GOD

If I am misunderstanding this thread this poster is implying that flesh has a part in the process of sanctification

And actually it is more that mortality has to be swallowed up in immortality. That we are to decrease so that HE may increase

It's just that some confuse this into thinking it is some active work when in truth it is a more passive work

 

[Kenny'sID]

Which is why HE is a launderer and disciplines HIS children

And we know that if we are not disciplined than we are illegitimate children

Exactly.

 

[miknik5]

Be still and know that HE IS GOD

I can do all things by CHRIST who strengthens me

Not by power or by might sayeth THE LORD...

But by MY SPIRIT

Unfortunately there will be those who claim to know HIM but do things that are against HIS SPIRIT making manifest that they do not truly know of whose SPIRIT they claim themselves to be of .

 

[Colter]

JESUS came forth from
THE FATHER: the fullness of GOD made manifest in the flesh

He's divine, a Son of God, Father to our world, but he's not the Father absolute.

 

[miknik5]

He's divine, a Son of God, Father to our world, but he's not the Father absolute.

He's also not literally a lamb before the throne looking as if slain though lives

 

[Philip_B]

I fear, having perused this thread, that despite the heterodox (as against controversial) view expressed in the first post, I am pleased that some have recognised that there is a problem.

God became man, that we might share eternal life with him. To my mind you aspire to to much when take humanity into divinity before the eschaton. I really wish a few more people were conversant with both the Creed of Constantinople, and the work of the Cappadocian Fathers who contributed so much towards the outstanding document we share - The Nicene Creed.

The grace of service is what we have now in the world which God loves, and loves us in it. I am sorry that I have trouble addressing the matter seriously, as the notion of ascribing to humanity divinity in any sense other that in the Person of Jesus Christ seems to be to be arrogant, and indeed silly.

Of Faith in the Holy Trinity - Article 1 of the 39 Articles
There is but one living and true God, everlasting,
without body, parts, or passions;
of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness;
the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible.
And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons,
of one substance, power, and eternity;
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.​

 

[Daniel9v9]

Although our Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, it's not to say that it's a man possessing God. That is, it's not as if Jesus the man contains God in such a way that you could somehow extract God and then be left with Jesus as purely a man - a different person. (But rather, if you take God out of Jesus you're left with nothing - for Jesus is the Word incarnate)

Jesus' divine and human natures are distinct, yet fully integrated with one another. Jesus is one person with two natures, so to say that there are 4 persons in the Godhead doesn't reflect what the Bible teaches regarding the Holy Godhead, which is Trinitarian (as we can best describe and relate to it)

Colossians 2:9 explains that Jesus is fully God and fully man (which is very different from having the Holy Spirit):
"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily"

 

[dqhall]

Four is a limited number. Mankind is a diverse group and not of one mind about the Gospel.

Jesus said in Matthew 18:19-20: "19 Again, assuredly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

There are meetings, congregations and assemblies. People may partake in God's divine guidance. If a group of you agrees with God, God will be amongst you.

 

[miknik5]

Four is a limited number. Mankind is a diverse group and not of one mind about the Gospel.

Jesus said in Matthew 18:19-20: "19 Again, assuredly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

There are meetings, congregations and assemblies. People may partake in God's divine guidance. If a group of you agrees with God, God will be amongst you.

Since we are to store up TRUE treasure and to seek FIRST HIS kingdom and HIS righteousness, I think it matters what two or three agree on

If it is against the wlll of and work of GOD, no matter how much two or three agree upon it, it is still outside of and a Misrepresentation of GOD

 

[David Rhodes]

God is God and Man is man. God has Omni qualities and His authority is unquestionably . God can decide to act or come in the form of man and not vise versa just as He did to Abraham in Gen.18:2 before going to Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[bloodbought09]

Blah, blah, blah.

 

[AFrazier]

The ancient Jewish perspective is that there were seven aspects of the Godhead, which Revelation seems to tentatively substantiate in mentioning the seven spirits of God. I can therefore buy into the plainly implied trinity, or the plausible notion of a heptinity, but what you're suggesting includes man as part of the Godhead. Man, through his marriage to the lamb, becomes one flesh and spirit with Christ. However, we don't become God, or any part of God. This cannot be substantiated with scripture, even by inference. We are the wife. And although the wife is one with the husband, the principle is that we are still separate, though we are joined.

I do agree, though, that an argument could be made that the oneness of spirit we gain through the marriage taken in context with us being the body of Christ can potentially suggest this concept. It's like when Paul discusses laying with a prostitute. To join ourselves to a prostitute is to join Christ to a prostitute. So there is a possible contention for a true oneness of body and spirit.

BUT, that version of the argument would not make us a fourth component to the Godhead. It would make us one person with Jesus Christ, thereby removing man from the equation altogether. In other words, we go from four identities, three divine and one mortal and stained, to only three entities, all divine, with the mortal, stained identity slain and eradicated.

I like that you're thinking outside the box. I think it's an important exercise in expanding your overall understanding, assuming you accept the results of a comprehensive evaluation of your idea. But a quaternity doesn't really work.

 

[miknik5]

The ancient Jewish perspective is that there were seven aspects of the Godhead, which Revelation seems to tentatively substantiate in mentioning the seven spirits of God. I can therefore buy into the plainly implied trinity, or the plausible notion of a heptinity, but what you're suggesting includes man as part of the Godhead. Man, through his marriage to the lamb, becomes one flesh and spirit with Christ. However, we don't become God, or any part of God. This cannot be substantiated with scripture, even by inference. We are the wife. And although the wife is one with the husband, the principle is that we are still separate, though we are joined.

I do agree, though, that an argument could be made that the oneness of spirit we gain through the marriage taken in context with us being the body of Christ can potentially suggest this concept. It's like when Paul discusses laying with a prostitute. To join ourselves to a prostitute is to join Christ to a prostitute. So there is a possible contention for a true oneness of body and spirit.

BUT, that version of the argument would not make us a fourth component to the Godhead. It would make us one person with Jesus Christ, thereby removing man from the equation altogether. In other words, we go from four identities, three divine and one mortal and stained, to only three entities, all divine, with the mortal, stained identity slain and eradicated.

I like that you're thinking outside the box. I think it's an important exercise in expanding your overall understanding, assuming you accept the results of a comprehensive evaluation of your idea. But a quaternity doesn't really work.

Still ONE ROCK (with seven eyes on it). -Zechariah 7:9

And if one is standing in THAT ROCK he/she will not fall

 

[Doveaman]

Jesus is a Son of the Trinity, a creation of Triune deity, not the second person of the Trinity. As such he is the Father of his own co-creation.

The second person of the Trinity is the living Word who became flesh and lived among us as Jesus, the Son.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and made hHs dwelling among us. -- (John 1:1-14)