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Featured The Major Discrepancy Between Ezekiel and Johns New Jerusalem.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Daniel Martinovich, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Another Lazarus

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    God has appointed descendants of Zadok as the Levitical priests in the Ezekiel Temple,
    Zadok's descendants lived during the Babylonian captivity at 423 BC when the Israelites WENT ASTRAY from God.

    Ezekiel 44:15 "'But the Levitical priests, who are descendants of Zadok and who guarded my sanctuary when the Israelites WENT ASTRAY from me, are to come near to minister before me; they are to stand before me to offer sacrifices of fat and blood, declares the Sovereign LORD.
     
  2. Another Lazarus

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    The tribe of Dan was given the portion of land after they returned from Babylon to Israel asf:
    Ezekiel 48:1
    Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goes to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan.

    But in the end times situation the Tribe of Dan has disappeared :
    Rev 7:
    5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

    6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

    7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

    8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

    The name of the city will then be called "The LORD is there" if they accepted Jesus as the Messiah but they didnt and they rcvd not the Tree of Life and the water of Life accordingly.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    Ezekiel chapters 40-46 was the 2nd Zerrubabel 536BC temple.

    Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the eternal kingdom, Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5 same river and tree of life, Eternal.
     
  4. DavidPT

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    Don't see your theory adding up. Ch 47 begins like such.

    Ezekiel 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.



    The text states----- Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house.

    What house? This is not a different house altogether. It is still referring to the same house per the chapters that precede this chapter. Notice that it says---he brought me again. Brought him again where? unto the door of the house. How could he bring him there again if this house is not meaning the same house he's already been brought to in the past? How then can Ezekiel chapters 40-46 be referring to the 2nd Zerrubabel 536BC temple, and that chapters 47-48 is the eternal kingdom?
     
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  5. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  6. seventysevens

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    2Pete says that 1 day =1000 years NOT eternal
    There are many scripture that reveal what eternal is ie No beginning -no end Peter states outright there is an END to the 1000 years and THAT is when satan is loosed !

    To be loosed is to be set free from being bound , you first must be imprisoned -bound-locked away- freedom revoked before you can be loosed


    You butcher the scripture to create your own doctrine
    You need to think about what you are doing to scripture , imagine you go to a restaurant and look at their menu and see a picture of a steak and potato dinner so that is what you order,
    when your order arrives all you get is the potato - you ask where is the steak you ordered and you are told - the steak is just figurative , just symbolic not literal steak

    You acknowledge the scripture and you obliviously see the scriptures state point blank

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    You have butchered the scripture to create your own false doctrine , if I were in your city I would take you to every True bible believing Church in you area and have you tell them what you teach and everyone who hears you would tell you that you grossly misinterpret the scripture.

    You pick and choose what you prefer to believe and build your own doctrine to suit what your ears want to hear

    Even Jesus tells you point blank DO NOT remove any scripture from HIS prophecy
    But Again you refuse to accept what our God Almighty has directly said as it does not fit in what you prefer to believe


    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
     
  7. Davy

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    You cannot address that Rev.20 Scripture as written, which is how it's easy to show why your doctrine on that is false.
     
  8. Davy

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    Jesus linked 3 woes with the last 3 trumpets, with the final 7th trumpet in Rev.11 being the event of His return. So from the end of Rev.8 woe to the 3rd woe of Rev.11 is all events for the very end of this world, including the time of great tribulation (excepting Rev.10 which is parenthetical).

    Events in the Seals of Rev.6 does this also, contains events to occur at the very end of this world for the tribulation timing, and thereafter with Jesus' coming.

    On the 6th Vial, our Lord Jesus is warning His Church on earth that He comes "as a thief", which links to the timing Paul taught about the coming "day of the Lord" in 1 Thess.5, and what Peter taught in 2 Pet.3:10.

    So it's the TYPE OF EVENTS in the Revelation seals, trumpets, and vials which DEFINE the order of things to happen in the last days, not some man's theory that all the seals ought to happen first, then all the trumpets next, and then all the vials in final.

    In Jesus' Olivet Discourse of Matt.24 and Mark 13, He gave 7 main signs of the end of this world, not 21. The 21 signs in the Revelation seals, trumpets, and vials are actually about only 7 main signs of the end, and the final sign He gave was that of His coming and gathering of His Church both from Heaven and from the earth.
     
  9. Davy

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    The meaning of the name "Zadok" is 'The Just'. Jesus is King of The Just (or righteous). That's who the Zadok of that future time in the Ezekiel vision is about. They represent Christ's priests, not a flesh bloodline.

    So who are Christ's priests?

    Rev 5:9-10
    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    KJV
     
  10. Davy

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    The Ezekiel 48 event has YET... to happen. That was a vision given Ezekiel about the future, not for after Judah's 70 years captivity to Babylon.
     
  11. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  12. Davy

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    Oh but yes it is. It's the event when Jesus said He comes "as a thief" on the 7th vial per Rev.16:15, as He was warning His Church on earth to stay on watch, lest they appear naked and in shame. That's what the idea of keeping your garments is about, it's a metaphor about the promised white robes He gives. So it involves false worship, i.e., not staying "a chaste virgin" in the spiritual sense, like Paul taught in 2 Cor.11.

    In 1 Thess.5, Paul taught that 'day' is not to take us by surprise "as a thief". It's the wicked that will be surprised by its coming, which is what the "sudden destruction" upon them is about. Now if that day isn't to be a surprise for us, it means we will be here to recognize it.

    You do understand that "sudden destruction" upon the wicked in 1 Thess.5 is a marker for the absolute end of this world, don't you? That means the tribulation is over at that "sudden destruction" point.

    I recommend a thorough study in God's OT prophets about the "day of the Lord" events. In them is His declaration of His absolute rule over all nations and peoples on that day, and the gathering of His people with His Son reigning in Jerusalem.
     
  13. Truth7t7

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    Try reading Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5

    Possibly you will experience a Revelation they are the same place "The Eternal Kingdom" :)

    River of life flowing from the sanctuary/throne

    Tree of life bearing fruit every month

    Leaves of the tree for healing.

    both accounts, same place "The Eternal Kingdom"

    Its a no brainer Dave :)

    No Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is not the same place as Ezekiel 47-48

    40-46 "Temple", Ezekiel 41:1

    47-48 "House/Sanctuary" Ezekiel 47:1-12

    Mortal Humans will not be in the "Eternal Kingdom"

    Please read Matthew 25:31-46 again.

    When Jesus returns with the Holy angels, the final judgment takes place.

    Verse 41 the wicked unsaved are judged to the lake of fire

    Verse 46 the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" in verse 34

    Dave why do you disregard this scriptural truth?
     
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  14. Truth7t7

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    You quote Isaiah 66 as if mortal humans are present, in a kingdom on this earth?

    Isaiah 65:17-19 & Isaiah 66:22 clearly teach the "Eternal" New Heaven, And Earth Are Represented in the chapters seen, also seen in Revelation 21:1-5, the present/former earth has passed away, "Gone" :)

    "Behold I Make All Things New" write for these words are faithful and true.

    Will you continue to teach in error this represents a earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, when you have clearly been show the truth of the "Eternal Kingdom"?

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
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  15. Truth7t7

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    You can't show in Revelation 20:1-6 where a earthly kingdom with mortal humans are present, because there isn't one.
     
  16. yeshuasavedme

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    That is not the Word of God doctrine, so if you have found a "Jew" who agrees with you, they are as wrong as you are, on the Word of God.
    Job 19:

    25 For I know that my Redeemer lives,
    And He shall stand at last on the earth;
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    And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
    That in my flesh I shall see God,
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    Whom I shall see for myself,
    And my eyes shall behold, and not another.


    And ...the Word also declares that Jesus raised His body from the dead, and the Holy Spirit raised His body from the dead and He is forever in that body, which is the body made in the likeness of Adam, but without sin, and which is the body of flesh that our first father, Adam, was made in the exact image of, as Genesis 1:26 -28 and Romans 5:14 state.
    The entire human being race is one Adam spirit, with each a share/remnant of that one created spirit [Malachi 3:15], and that spirit is dead to the Glory by becoming unclean and and irreversibly defiled by the disobedience of our firstborn, the Patriarch who was the high priest and high king of earth, and who dwelled in Pradise which is in the third heaven, and ruled over earth, coming and going freely, back and forth, and in daily fellowship with God the Word, in the Garden every evening.
    In Adam, we are very much limited to this earth and cannot enter Paradise to dwell, which is in the third heaven, as Paul clearly states, and is where the Tree of Life still is, as Jesus also clearly confirms in the book of Revelation.

    So God the Word is come to dwell in a garment of second creation human being flesh and that flesh is named "Israel", not "Adam", and His body is the same body that Adam was made in the same image of, for as Paul wrote in Romans 14:5, Adam was made in the exact "tupos" of God the Word who was to come, and who is the very image of God the Word who made all things, as Genesis 1:26-28 states.

    It is the old man nature/spirit with its Adam flesh DNA that will not inherit the kingdom of God, but the Word promises us that we who are born of His One Living Spirit, which is the Adoption as sons, will receive the regeneration of our own body, and not one member of our body will be missing, in the resurrection and regeneration of it, not even a hair [follicle] of our heads will be missing when our flesh is elementally dissolved in an atomic moment - blink of the eye, and regenerated all new, with no corruption of the Adam in it ever again. That is the hope of the Church, the adoption of our body to be like His New Creation human being flesh body, and be vessels then, for the Glory of the Unseen YHWH to indwell, which is what Adam lost in the fall.
    Jesus says we will have His New Name written on our flesh bodies, which is the DNA elemental regeneration of our flesh into the DNA of the Firstborn Son of God named "Israel", as Isaiah 49 states, and He, the second human being creation Son of God who is God in that new Man flesh and the Redeemer Kinsman to the Adam brother, the Son of God who is our Firstborn is our Everlasting Human Being Father who adopts us
    and will never forsake us or leave us orphans, as our first father, the Adam, has, being dead to us and making us dead to the Father, in his name and flesh and blood.

    BTW: Peter walked on water, Elijah ascended to heaven, and is returning to preach with Moses, who is in his own resurrected but not changed body, and Philip was taken away in a moment, to another place on earth, and the Eunuch saw him no more -he disappeared right before his eyes.

    And my own daughter passed between a truck and a car in her own car, when driving on a road and the event happened that she thought would be the end of her, but she passed right through the two vehicles, impossibly, but supernaturally, by the grace and power of God...I know of lots of testimonies of people going and coming in their bodies that was impossible, normally, but they have had little foretastes of the supernatural power of the sons of God that is to come, which we will always walk in, in the regeneration. There is a man who has given testimony to a car driving right through him, when he thought he was going to be hit....and years later, when he was a preacher telling his conversion story, the DR who was driving that car was in his audience, and told him she was that driver that day....
    I'll post that story if I can find it again, but there are witnesses to it, and its out there somewhere...
     
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  17. yeshuasavedme

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    Dan does not dissapear. There is a strange missing of his name, in that one spot, but Joseph is named as a tribe, and Menasseh is named, which is just not the way it will be, for Menasseh is a half tribe and if one names him, then the half tribe of Ephraim must be named, but Joseph includes both Ephraim and Menasseh, so there is a bit of manuscript problem there that contradicts that fact that Dan is there, as well as the two halfs of Joseph, for in Revelation 21, we have the twelve gates for the twelve tribes, which includes the two halfs of Joseph's tribe.
    Rev 21:
    The New Jerusalem

    9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me[f] and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”[g] 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy[h] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west..

    In the millennial reign, that Sabbath of the seventh millennium of earth, the tribe of Dan has their land allotment:
    Ezekiel 48
    Division of the Land
    48 “Now these are the names of the tribes: From the northern border along the road to Hethlon at the entrance of Hamath, to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus northward, in the direction of Hamath, there shall be one section for Dan from its east to its west side;

    And in Ezekiel 48, also, Dan is named as one of the tribes who have the gates of the City named after them:
    The Gates of the City and Its Name

    30 “These are the exits of the city. On the north side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits 31 (the gates of the city shall be named after the tribes of Israel), the three gates northward: one gate for Reuben, one gate for Judah, and one gate for Levi; 32 on the east side, four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Joseph, one gate for Benjamin, and one gate for Dan;... 33 on the south side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Simeon, one gate for Issachar, and one gate for Zebulun; 34 on the west side, four thousand five hundred cubits with their three gates: one gate for Gad, one gate for Asher, and one gate for Naphtali. 35 All the way around shall be eighteen thousand cubits; and the name of the city from that day shall be: THE LORD IS THERE.”

    Dan is not missing, but there.
     
  18. Davy

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    Well, yes it is, which is why Apostle Paul was giving the "day of the Lord" events in 1 Thess.5 right after he had covered the "caught up" events. One has to study the OT prophets to get a proper understanding of the NT timing of Christ's 2nd coming, gathering of the Church, and the sudden destruction upon the wicked. It will occur very quickly, at the "twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor.15).

    When Jesus said He comes "as a thief" when speaking to His Church still alive on earth per Rev.16:15 on the 6th vial, that's means no rapture had happened yet. And the reason why is simple. It's because He only returns ONE TIME, not two or three times, and His return is the "as a thief" timing which Paul and Peter taught is the "day of the Lord" timing (1 Thess.5; 2 Pet.3:10).
     
  19. Davy

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    Sure I can, because you cannot just limit that to the Rev.20 Scripture, simply because other Bible Scripture exists to declare that kingdom when Jesus returns, and even where...

    Zech 14:3-9
    3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


    4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.


    6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

    8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.


    9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.

    KJV
     
  20. Davy

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    Sorry, I cannot accept your unfounded belief in a future fleshy existence in God's future Kingdom.

    And it only takes one single Scripture from Apostle Paul to Biblically prove your future fleshy resurrection is false...

    1 Cor 15:49-50
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    KJV


    So before you go around saying what I showed from Paul there is not The Word of God, you might want to study more.


     
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