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Featured The Major Discrepancy Between Ezekiel and Johns New Jerusalem.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Daniel Martinovich, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That's a false statement against God's Word. Rev.20 and Ezekiel 40-47 reveal there will be, as Zechariah 6 does also.
     
  2. yeshuasavedme

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    Those are the gentiles who are on earth alive, at His coming when He takes His power unto Himself and is crowned, in heaven, and is after the tribulation is ended.
    The sheep gentiles are given the rebirth of spirit [no one who comes to believe in the name of the Son of God will be born of the Spirit in the tribulation, after the Spirit of glory is removed with the raptured believers]. Jesus grants that to those who endure in that time, at His return, and they enter into the restored kingdom of God on earth, which was prepared from the beginning, but which Adam lost, sold into sin and corruption.
    The goat gentiles are cast alive, soul in body, into the lake of fire, right then and there.
    At that time, also, the "tares/bastard wheat=demons" and those who look human in flesh of the stolen Adam creation, but whose spirits are of the fallen watchers "after the flood" who did the same as those chained ones before the flood did [who were chained as a warning to other watchers to not do the same, as Jude states], are also gathered by the angels and cast alive, minus their stolen flesh bodies, into the lake of fire, for their doom is told of by the prophet Enoch, the seventh from Adam. They do not stand for judgment because God has judged them already, as Enoch revealed in chapter 14/15..

    The sheep gentiles and the goat gentiles stand before the "God of the whole earth", who is The Firstborn Son of God, who is God the Word in a garment of human being Kinsman/Redeemer flesh to the Adam creation brother of Him, when, at His return to reign over His ransomed and restored kingdom, the earth is cleansed for the Sabbath rest of it of all things that defile.

    The Elect who are gathered are the offspring of Jacob, named "Israel", the New Man name invoked over them as a sign of the adoption of the flesh, to come, and they are gathered by the angels to Mount Sinai, as Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam reports, and they are there passed under the "Rod of God", as Ezekiel reports in chapter 20, and the wicked unrepentant Jews/the elect, are cast alive into the lake of fire and the remaining remnant are "the blessed of YHWH", who enter into the restored kingdom of God for the millennial Sabbath, and marry and have children. The sheep Gentiles also are the "blessed of YHWH", who enter into that restored kingdom, and marry and have children, and fill the earth in that blessed time.
     
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  3. Truth7t7

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    Sorry ludicrous, Jesus isnt gonna hang out on earth with mortal humans, he warned the believer against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27
     
  4. Truth7t7

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    Not one of those chapters show a kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present.

    Not One :)
     
  5. Davy

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    Not a mistake. The wicked will not see the new heavens and a new earth, which is only for after... the thousand years of Rev.20.

    What God's Word is pointing to, especially with Scripture like Ezekiel 47, is there is going to be a partial glory to manifest here on earth which the unsaved will see, and that is that River that flows out of the Ezekiel sanctuary on earth which will heal waters it comes in contact with, and the tree of life on either side of it which Rev.22:14-15 reveals will be manifest also during the Millennium.

    In Matt.25 our Lord didn't define 'when' the goats would be destroyed. He gave that in His Revelation later through John. So reading Matt.25 about the destruction of the goats without considering His Revelation is like going back 2,000 years and treating Revelation like it never existed. That's going backwards in understanding of God's Word.
     
  6. Davy

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    Well, one thing is for sure. You don't have a clue what those Scriptures about, and probably even have a hard time just reading them.
     
  7. Davy

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    Sorry, I do not adhere to anyone being in a flesh body after the point of Christ's second coming. When death is swallowed up for all nations, like Isaiah 25 reveals, all souls will have put off the flesh and will dwell in resurrected bodies, the body which Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 is a "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly".

    This is how John 5:28-29 with the wicked dead being raised also on the day of Christ's second coming will be possible. The resurrection of damnation will be those whom Christ Jesus and His Church will rule over in that future Millennium time. Those are the "dead" of Rev.20. Their souls will still be subject to the "second death" throughout that whole thousand years period. Some of them will be found written in the Book of Life at the end of the thousand years. But those of them who still refuse The Father and The Son will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of the thousand years.
     
  8. DavidPT

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    As to Matt 25, why not just wait until after the thousand years to judge the goats and sentence them? Why do that at the beginning and not at the great white throne judgment after the thousand years instead? Or do you perhaps think they will be at that judgment also, which would mean they are judged and sentenced for the same things twice?

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    As can be seen via the first two verses, there can't be the new Jerusalem without there also being the new heavens and new earth, and vise-versa. Revelation 22:2 indicates---In the midst of the street of it. In the midst of the street of where? In the midst of the city new Jerusalem, where one can't have the new Jerusalem existing apart from the new heavens and new earth.
     
  9. DavidPT

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    I see you are still hanging on to this out of context conclusion to somehow prove your point. :) Give it a rest already, this passage does nothing to help prove what you are alleging.
     
  10. Daniel Martinovich

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    I wrote the articles in those links. Kind of don’t think that will make a difference in you going to them or not.
     
  11. keras

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    We are plainly told that the Day of the Lord's wrath happens at the Sixth Seal.
    Over 100 graphically described prophesies tell about the disasters of that Day. Amos 5:18-20 for example. How can this be at the glorious Return of Jesus?
    Revelation 19:11-21 say that all Jesus does at His Return, is to destroy the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word and to chain up Satan. Nothing about the dramatic events in the earlier Day of wrath.
    The proof of these Days being separate events, years apart, is how Jesus Returns clothed in garments stained with blood. Isaiah 63:1-6 tells us how He got splashed in the blood of the nations, the next prophesied event, as per Isaiah 61:2b.

    Combining these two clearly separate events just leads to confusion and unpreparedness for what the prophets have repeatedly warned us about.
     
  12. Daniel Martinovich

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    Not the Greek word for coming but the Greek to see with the eyes.
    Strong's Greek: 3708. ὁράω (horaó) -- to see, perceive, attend to
     
  13. Daniel Martinovich

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    Or, if the city is an illustration of Gods saints as all the chapters of the Bible on the subject of the New Jerusalem suggest. There’s no temple because God’s people are the temple of God.
     
  14. yeshuasavedme

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    Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

    Rev 3:
    12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
     
  15. Truth7t7

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    Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15 is the same final judgment :)
     
  16. DavidPT

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    Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


    If the goats are meaning all of the wicked in general, satanists, as an example, would be of these wicked. So you want me to believe that the answers the goats give can also fit the answers of a satanist? On that day a satanist is going to answer Jesus like such... Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    I'm sorry, but a satanist would not even remotely answer Jesus in this manner, but an unprofitable servant of Christ might though.
     
  17. DavidPT

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  18. Daniel Martinovich

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    Ephesians 2:21In whom all the building fitly framed together grows to an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom you also are built together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
     
  19. yeshuasavedme

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    It is heresy to teach that Jesus Christ is not risen in His own second creation human being flesh body, which YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, put on like a garment at the incarnation to be Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam creation in; and in that body He ransomed back, by His blood, all that Adam lost at his fall.
    He died in that flesh body, and though He departed it for three days and three nights, it could not corrupt because satan had nothing in that flesh or in that Living Spirit, so corruption could not "eat" the dust of the second Man creation.
    He was raised in it , ascended in it, is glorified in it, and is coming back in it, and will rule the kingdom of God on earth, and from heaven, that He ransomed back to Himself, in that same flesh body of second man creation.
    Isaiah 59, Romans 5:14, Revelation 19.
    If we have been born of the Living Spirit/Christ, then our hope for which we long for and wait for is the elemental regeneration of our flesh body at the resurrection/or at the rapture. That is called the adoption of the flesh body and is is the Hope of the Church.

    Rom 8:23
    And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
     
  20. Truth7t7

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    The final judgment of all is seen in Matthew 25:31-46, you can use your reasoning all ya want Dave, Gods word clearly states Romans 14:11 every knee will bow, every tongue will confess to God.

    As you put you human reason before Gods word.
     
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