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Featured The Law loses again..God must be angry!

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Blood Bought 1953, Dec 4, 2017.

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  1. Soyeong

    Soyeong Well-Known Member

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    The Law does not require us to stone anyone that we suspect of breaking it, but rather it gives instructions for due process with an investigation into the matter and requires there to be two or three witnesses before anyone is killed. Furthermore, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that mercy is one of the weightier matters of the Law, so if someone's obedience to the Law is not characterized by the mercy, then they are not obeying it correctly. The Law was intended to teach us how walk in God's ways and to reflect His attributes to the world, so really if any of God's attributes are missing from how we are obeying the Law, then we are not obeying it correctly, which means that kindness and compassion are not just consistent with how we ought to keep the law, but are required.
     
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  2. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    I believe it goes on to imply her state before the marriage when they were only betrothed. Her not being a virgin...
     
  3. Blood Bought 1953

    Blood Bought 1953 Ned Flander’s Buddy

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    Eww.....blast your hide!!!!! Thou shall not steal!!!! You stole my emergency back up post I was too lazy to type!
    Grrrrrrrrr. Lol thank you for getting the point of this thread
     
  4. ewq1938

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    haha! :)
     
  5. Soyeong

    Soyeong Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 1:19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
     
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  6. Soyeong

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    John 8:1-12 is an example of Jesus acting in accordance with the Law requires. There was no judge to pronounce a sentence (Deuteronomy 19:17-21), there was no man accused (Leviticus 20:10), he didn't have any witnesses to examine (Numbers 35:30, Deuteronomy 19:15), and he did not have a confession, so if he had condemned her, then he would have acted in violation of the Law. Just a few verses later Jesus said that he judged no one (John 8:15) and he also said that he came not to judge (John 12:47), so he did not exercise authority as a magistrate and did not condemn her, but he did recognize her action as sin, and told her to go and sin no more.
     
  7. Kenny'sID

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    Jesus taught forgiveness, and he went one further, he died to pay the price for our sin so it could be forgiven.. So, when I sin, I repent, and do as Christ says we should, and ask for forgiveness.

    Since the original scenario got kind of messed up, lets move to what was the originally intended sin of true infidelity, infidelity without repentance in this case, and continuous. Do you think whoever got the short end of the situation would then be so quick to forgive when the perpetrator is very insincere like that and continues in their sin, unconcerned about forgiveness?

    I bring it up because I have a feeling this is about do whatever we wish ad still be saved, but either way, the other angle to this should be brought up.
     
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  8. Ken Rank

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    He didn't ignore God's law (Mary didn't break a command) and be careful... the author of the law is God Himself. I have seen people demean the law, belittle it... which belittles Him in the process since it is His words.
     
  9. YouAreAwesome

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    Jesus replied "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. Now I tell you..." (Matthew 19:8-9)​

    Here Jesus states Moses had some say in what was written in the law, therefore the law is not all "His words".
     
  10. Tom Farebrother

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    Jesus’ discourse on the Sabbath in Mark 2 illustrates the difference between legalism and being human I think
     
  11. discipler7

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    Not true.
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    FYI, God's Law is based on justice, love, compassion/mercy and faith.

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    37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

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    23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
     
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  12. Grip Docility

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    But the post said betrothal was marriage.
     
  13. Grip Docility

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    Hosea 6:6 ?

    James 2:13 ?

    The weightier matters in your quote are about Love. 1 Corinthians 13 ... without Love a person is “nothing”

    Romans says Comandment this and that... sure whatever... then says... it’s all summed up in Love.

    I don’t understand how Matthew 23 a chapter where Jesus blasts law keepers that have no Love, applies.
     
  14. Grip Docility

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    Once you miss that the forgiven Adulterous was told to “sin” no more in the same book where “the sin of the world is unbelief”... and try to add to Jesus act of mercy... you miss the most amazing thing!

    God... wrote in stone with His finger, His standards of perfection... and Moses literally broke them as he saw the children of Israel breaking them! They were redone.

    God is born among us and grew to the moment where the finger of God again writes, but in the very dust we were formed from... and stands the only Sinless One there.

    He shows that all have sinned and fallen short but Him, thus only He could have judged by the Law.

    He then forgives the woman and asserts that He alone is her SAVIOR! Not her law keeping, not the teachers of the law... but HIM! Luke 2:11 / Isaiah 43:11

    He shows mercy over Law! He shows a new command that surpasses and Fulfills the rest...

    L—O-V-E (John 13:34)

    Nowhere else did that finger write and nowhere else did He say “Command I give you”.
     
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  15. Radagast

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    If you are saying that you want to get rid of all laws, I strongly disagree.

    If you are saying that you want to get rid of some laws, which ones?
     
  16. Colter

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    Jesus wasn't killed by atheists or agnostics or outsiders, he was killed by religious people who were taught that God wrote their scriptures, their laws.


    John 16:2 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.
     
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  17. JoeP222w

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    You have mistaken understanding. Mary did not actually violate the law (of being an adulterer). Joseph was wrong in his initial judgment and God intervened to show Joseph the truth. Joseph did not ignore the law.



    Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
     
  18. Norbert L

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    What about the fine print? Deuteronomy 22:13-21 starts off by stating that the husband had to of started the initiation of the physical consummation of the marriage. She was found to be pregnant before that happened, "but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant" Matthew 1:18.

    I have to admit this took me about 10 minutes of investigating, perhaps I'm missing something. Can you show me exactly where in the the Law Joseph had legal grounds prior to their consummation for having her stoned to death?
     
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  19. jesus316

    jesus316 All Truth is in Jesus

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    I think even the Old Testaments prophets were indicating that the Mosaic law was not of God; it was all man made. Passages saying, "thus saith the Lord", were not from God. Jesus confirmed this in rejecting the law.
     
  20. Grip Docility

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