The Effect

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Kylie said:
Star Trek is not real.

“After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear.”

― J.R.R. Tolkien

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
“After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear.”

― J.R.R. Tolkien

"Star Trek" is neither legend nor myth.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

myth
noun
a traditional story … explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and
typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
myth
noun
a traditional story … explaining some natural or social phenomenon,
and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

"Star Trek" is not a traditional story explaining some natural or social phenomenon. "Star Trek" is story telling. It is science fiction. Emphasis on "fiction".

You can usually tell the difference between fiction and reality if you consider all the things that fiction glosses over, while reality - being totally interconnected - has to account for.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Freodin said:
"Star Trek" is not a traditional story explaining some natural or social phenomenon.

well you don't realize its true nature

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
well you don't realize its true nature

Have you ever done a survey of all the inconsistencies within "Star Trek"?
Or do you want to assert that different "Star Trek" stories also are from different parallel universes?

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

I'm becoming tired

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
I'm becoming tired

Trolling is hard work. And it's so much easier to just drop out the very second you'd have to start engaging your brain in order to defend your fantasy. So much easier to just deflect, divert, ignore, twist and start all over again.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

I'm tired of you not understanding

well you and everyone else

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
I'm tired of you not understanding

well you and everyone else

You never offer anything for us to understand. All you do is throw out unsupported claims. You constantly ignore the alternatives that are offered. You ignore the problems raised by your assertion. And you have nothing else to offer by attacks.

"Atheists never learn"... did I misremember that? Or did you change the "timeline"? Or rather, edit your post.

You keep telling us that we are wrong, we don't get it, we don't understand, we don't see... and all because of our "attitude".

Well, our "attitute" is one of rationality. We try to see the connections, analyse things, try to find the weak spots.

All the things that you simply ignore, because of your "faith".

Do better, pal!

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Freodin said:
Do better, pal!

Let me know when you abandon atheism…

For a true philosophy.

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
let me know when you abandon atheism

for a true philosophy

See?
You don't have anything to offer.

I point out the problems with your approach and give justification for ours... and all you can do is bring a personal attack.

I am done here. You are not worth my time.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Freodin said:
I am done here. You are not worth my time.

Sigh

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

For those here interested in how things work in reality, and how "fiction" doesn't have to adhere to these rules...
Completely by coincidence, I ran into this little masterpiece today.
A very well-done rundown of the construction of an equally well-done 3-D scene.
It's CGI... this terror and means of salvation of Flat Earthers. It's not real. It is fiction.
It looks good though. It even looks real. And could be made to look even more real, with a bit more effort.
But there are tell-tale signs that it just isn't. I have a personal favorite... there may be others, perhaps even more glaring ones.

Can you tell what these are?

For me, it was the fireplace.
It looks nice, doesn't it? The glaring fire, the assortment of utensils, the pots, the smokestake, nicely build up from heavy stones.

Wait a second. Did you notice it? That the rim of that smokestack is made up of individual stones? A single, horizontal layer of big blocks of stone?

What is holding them up? Mortar? An internal steel reinforcement?
There's a reason why every single old fireplace has a single beam of wood or slab of stone in this place, or an arched layer of bricks or stones.
Statics. Physics.
Something that an artist doesn't have to take into account. Something that reality does automatically without us needing to bother with.

Something that, for those of us who look closely enough, provide the clues if something is real or not.

It's very difficult to create any sort of fiction without getting something wrong. The more complex the fiction, the more difficult it is to keep it free from these little inconsistencies.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

The truth is simple…

That's why I'm not addressing your objections.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Freodin said:
You never offer anything for us to understand.

You're skeptical…

Nithavela · Sep 14, 2020

I think that people believing they are suffering from effects of the "mandela effect" are showing symptoms of a low level psychological disorder that forces them to consider it impossible for their memory to be false. Probably something to do with very high insecurity.

I have about as much evidence for that belief as people claiming they are experiencing the mandela effect.

Freodin · Sep 14, 2020

JohnEmmett said:
You're skeptical…

"That's why I'm not addressing your objections."

Find the irony.

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced
even if someone rises from the dead.'"

Luke 16:31

JohnEmmett · Sep 14, 2020

Nithavela said:
disorder that forces them to consider it impossible for their memory to be false.

you're very convinced it's not happening

hence you're most likely doubtful about the afterlife

despite the sages who tell you to believe

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