The Effect

[Kylie]

Define evidence

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

 

[Freodin]

On his return … Worf finds himself shifting realities where events and details are in a constant state of flux and only he is aware of the changes.

Season 7 Episode 11

So, the "truth" in this scene is that there are different shifting realities where events and details change, but the person on whom the narrative focuses is aware of these changes.

But all these changes are always within the scope of what a movie production studio is able to cram into a 40 minutes episode of a TV series.

And this "truth" does not include the claim that a grumpy humanoid with a strangly shaped forehead, in a universe where different species predominently differate in their strange shape of their foreheads, flies through the far reaches of the universe on board of a vessel called "Enterprise".

You should read John Scalzi's "Redshirts". Might offer an interesting angle on this.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

I'm not sure what you're asking for…

Please clarify…

 

[Kylie]

I'm not sure what you're asking for…

Please clarify…

Something which you say supports your position and can be independently checked and verified by other people. I thought this was quite clear.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Something which you say supports your position and can be independently checked and verified by other people. I thought this was quite clear.

ever hearing but never understanding

ever seeing but never perceiving.

I shared all

 

[Kylie]

sorry…… I shared all

So you have no actual evidence?

Well, since there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that peoples' memories can be easily mistaken, I think we know what the real answer is.

 

[JohnEmmett]

So you have no actual evidence?

as far as you're concerned, the Bible says nothing


that's your perspective, not reality


just an analogy……

 

[Kylie]

as far as you're concerned, the Bible says nothing


that's your perspective, not necessarily reality


this is just an analogy

Yet you are making an argument ABOUT reality and you aren't able to actually provide any real evidence to back up your argument.

 

[JohnEmmett]

you aren't able to actually provide any real evidence

something to force you to accept against your will…?

 

[Freodin]

something to force you to accept against your will…?

Is "your will" what you think is important here?
That would work both ways, wouldn't it?

Is there something like "convincing" in your worldview? Do you ever change your mind, change your opinion, based on things you see? "Things you see"... that is "evidence"... from latin "videre" - "to see"

Or is "your will" that only thing that counts?

Are you just promoting these unbased claims because you want to?

 

[Kylie]

something to force you to accept against your will…?

Why would it be against my will to accept evidence of reality?

You seem to be doing nothing more than attempting to divert attention away from the fact that you have no evidence to support your claim and that there is a perfectly rational explanation for the Mandela effect.

 

[JohnEmmett]

no evidence to support

Think what you want


It's fine

 

[Freodin]

Think what you want


It's fine

It's not fine. It's wishful thinking.
Reality doesn't conform to your wishes.

 

[JohnEmmett]

It's not fine. It's wishful thinking.

whatever

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It's not fine. It's wishful thinking.
Reality doesn't conform to your wishes.

This looks to me to be similar to the psychology behind conspiracy theories - the need to feel special, to have special knowledge, the need for attention, a sense of victimhood, and the idea that personally upsetting fallibilities cannot have mundane causes...

 

[JohnEmmett]

Atheists don't realize how much disrespect they have for the truth.

So be it……

 

[Strathos]

Atheists don't realize how much disrespect they have for the truth.

So be it……

I'm not an atheist and I think your ideas are just as wrong as anyone else.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I'm not an atheist and I think your ideas are just as wrong as anyone else.

K

 

[Kylie]

Atheists don't realize how much disrespect they have for the truth.

So be it……

You've done nothing to show that it is truth. Provide evidence for it, then we'll talk.

 

[Freodin]

You've done nothing to show that it is truth. Provide evidence for it, then we'll talk.

I find the connection of wild claims, "truth" and religious phrasing very interesting.

"The Effect" is not a religious claim. The sources he cited - like "Star Trek" or J.R.R. Tolkien - are not religious sources.
But when confronted with any form of pushback - criticism, doubt, disbelief - he resorts to religion.

I have no reason to believe that JohnEmmett is trying to do anything shady... but this is the usual modus operandi of religious grifters: making outlandish claims or promises and then try to silence critics with a reference to "faith" or attacking them as "unbelievers".