The Effect

[JohnEmmett]

the details of the world map are significant


I once remembered all United States and capitals, merely for an upcoming test


this Effect inspired me to survey the world map, I noticed changes


the most significant being New Zealand

 

[JohnEmmett]

Meet the folks who remember New Zealand being in a different place
Oct 2016

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Meet the folks who remember New Zealand being in a different place
Oct 2016

Yep, "memory is a funny thing"; i.e. unreliable.

 

[JohnEmmett]

unreliable.

"I know that I know nothing"


You don't know if memory is flawed.

 

[Kylie]

yes of course

Would you care to share this RATIONAL reason for rejecting flawed memory as an explanation?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Would you care to share this RATIONAL reason for rejecting flawed memory as an explanation?

the videos I share are very well-spoken……

the first especially

 

[Strathos]

the videos I share are very well-spoken……

The actors on Star Trek have to be, in order to land the roles.

 

[JohnEmmett]

The actors on Star Trek have to be, in order to land the roles.

K

 

[Kylie]

the videos I share are very well-spoken……

the first especially

And none of them provide any RATIONAL reason why we should discount flawed memories as an explanation.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

"I know that I know nothing"


You don't know if memory is flawed.

We know that memory, in general, is unreliable. There's plenty of well-controlled experimental data to support this. People unwittingly embellish, exaggerate, and merge memories; they can even be made to create personal memories that never happened. Every time you recall a memory it is reconstructed from fragments, and the way you reconstruct it can change it. Even so-called 'flashbulb' or 'snapshot' memories, vivid images of some experience, can change with recall.

That's not to say that all memories are completely unreliable, they normally contain the general gist or personal meaning of some event, but the details are not reliable - unless they are particularly memorable for some reason.

Here are some links you may find useful:

List of Memory Biases
How Much of Your Memory is True?
Memory Distortion & Invention
False Autobiographical Memories
Seven Sins of Memory
The Memory Doctor
How accurate are Memories of 9/11?
Memory is Unreliable - and it could be worse

 

[JohnEmmett]

And none of them provide any RATIONAL reason why we should discount flawed memories as an explanation.

Your attitude is the factor.

 

[JohnEmmett]

We know that memory, in general, is unreliable.

Speak for yourself. My memory is reliable.

 

[Strathos]

Speak for yourself. My memory is reliable.

What did you have for lunch 17 days ago?

 

[JohnEmmett]

What did you have for lunch 17 days ago?

I remember the location of S America.

It's significant. New Zealand, etc.

Lunch isn't significant.

 

[keith99]

So you claim that the thousands who say that New Zealand is to the northeast of Australia should convince me? How about the hundreds of millions who say it's always been to the SOUTH east? Why are you asking me to ignore them?

Don't ask me to accept an argument from popularity when the vast majority of people claim you are wrong.

Even more important a shift on the North/South axis would resukt in a major change in the climate of New Zealand. If North of Oz then no glaciers on South Island, Mount Cook being snow capped would be a rarity. All the coal burning heaters in homes and businesses would not have existed.

Oh and the tourist flights going over the South Pole would generally have been from Oz, not New Zealand.

Do any Kiwis have such memories on New Zealand? I doubt it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do any Kiwis have such memories on New Zealand? I doubt it.

This timeline is the same as it ever was.

I shifted here from elsewhere.

I remember the previous location, that's all.

 

[keith99]

This timeline is the same as it ever was.

I shifted here from elsewhere.

I remember the previous location, that's all.

So were you ever in New Zealand? Do you have memories of how it was? Or do you just remember some map?

I was there. I have real meomries of what it was like. Also real memories of what Austrailia and Fiji are like. Were you in a world where Kiwis would travel to Australia if they wanted to go skiing instead of the other way round? Or do you just have an isolated memory of a map?

 

[JohnEmmett]

do you just remember some map?

do you just have an isolated memory of a map?

A photographic memory. Of Google Earth.

New Zealand… NE of Australia.

A week later… SE of Australia.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Speak for yourself. My memory is reliable.

Human memory is unreliable. Check out those links I posted.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Human memory is unreliable.

Your faith is unreliable.