The Effect

[JohnEmmett]

Perhaps you could explain precisely what you mean by 'shifting our timeline'?

Season 7, Episode 11

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Season 7, Episode 11

That's science fiction - it uses sufficiently a sciency-sounding script to allow the suspension of disbelief. If you get your science from TV sci-fi shows, you'll go badly astray.

Splitting or 'branching' of the wavefunction in alternate 'worlds' only occurs when a quantum system in a superposition decoheres by interaction with the environment. As I said before, once decoherence has occurred, there can be no interaction between them - you can't "shift into other realities".

The 'other realities' are non-interacting branches of the wavefunction of the universe - and they only exist in the Everettian 'Many Worlds' formulation of QM. If you accept the 'Many Worlds' formulation, you must accept the constraints that go with it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

you can't "shift into other realities"

the discrepancies of the world map are best explained by being on a different Earth


since the world map doesn't alter significantly overnight, despite this being observed many times


the world map is quite different than a year ago, from my perspective

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

the discrepancies of the world map are best explained by being on a different Earth


since the world map doesn't alter significantly overnight, despite this being observed many times


the world map is quite different than a year ago, from my perspective

The physical world maps I see to day are the same as I remember as a child (in various projections) - except for small changes in the ice caps. Maybe you should consider seeking medical advice?

In any case, that doesn't change the physics of Everettian 'Many Worlds'.

But what are the changes you see?

 

[JohnEmmett]

But what are the changes you see?

S America is a thousand miles East (compared to where it was).

New Zealand switched from N East to S East.

The shape and territory of India. It was a perfect triangle.

Australia's coast. France's coast. Alaska's coast.

Et cetera…

 

[JohnEmmett]

Google doesn't display the ice of the N Pole.

Hence this is not part of the Effect.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

S America is a thousand miles East (compared to where it was).

New Zealand switched from N East to S East.

The shape and territory of India. It was a perfect triangle.

Australia's coast. France's coast. Alaska's coast.

Et cetera…

Countries may have changed - that's human geopolitics, but the physical continents and islands haven't. I've still got an atlas I had at school - no difference there.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I've still got an atlas I had at school - no difference there.

Either…

• you're not shifting
• your memory is updating
• or another reason I can't think of

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Either…

• you're not shifting
• your memory is updating
• or another reason I can't think of

Sure, whatever.

 

[JohnEmmett]

On how hard it can be… living with this incredible phenomenon.

 

[Strathos]

If we can use Star Trek to back up our arguments here, I'm going to make a thread about how Klingons are real (complete with video proof!).

 

[JohnEmmett]

If we can use Star Trek to back up our arguments here…

I'm expressing insight…

 

[Kylie]

flawed memory would explain


but I do not accept that explanation

Do you have any rational reason for rejecting flawed memory as an explanation? Just a yes or a no please.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Do you have any rational reason for rejecting flawed memory as an explanation?

yes of course

 

[Freodin]

the discrepancies of the world map are best explained by being on a different Earth


since the world map doesn't alter significantly overnight, despite this being observed many times


the world map is quite different than a year ago, from my perspective

The "world map" is different?
I don't think so. The world map is very much the same. And has been for quite some time.
In another conversation with a "Mandela effect" believer, I showed sources. Maps from decades ago, showing the exact same geography as this guy claimed had been "not in existence last year".

You - and this guy - on the other hand do not have any such sources. You don't have any maps from a few years ago showing your huge changes. All you have is your claims, your ideas, your memory.

And regardless of how many irrelavant Bible verses you quote, the explanation that you misunderstand or misremember something is a lot more realistic than "alternative universes".

If you have any evidence for your claims other than just more claims... I am happy to deal with them.

 

[JohnEmmett]

If you have any evidence for your claims other than just more claims... I am happy to deal with them.

I can't bring anything with me……

Only memories.

 

[JohnEmmett]

The world map is very much the same. And has been for quite some time.

I know… it's only different from my perspective.

And it's very different…

 

[Freodin]

I can't bring anything with me……

Only memories.

Then you should at least admit to the possibility that it is your memories that are faulty, not the universe.

 

[JohnEmmett]

at least admit to the possibility that your memories are faulty…

Doubt is a fault.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Doubt is a fault.

Unfortunately, the way memories are stored and retrieved in the brain makes them unreliable. Evolution produced a system 'good enough' for remembering and learning from important life events and significant details, but, in general, poor for remembering details without particular significance.