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The CREATOR vs Evolution and why upholding the Sabbath is SO Important

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I see you didn't bother to answer. The NC is for Israel and JUDAH only.

I read through Hebrews 12 and see Nothing in there that even comes closes to answering the question posed.

And btw, who was the book written to? Hint: Hebrews.
I guess we will have a lot of questions for Jesus to answer when we get to our eternal home. Yes, I am well aware of what Jeremiah wrote. I am also aware of what Jesus said? Mk 16: He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation." Paul also made it clear that Jesus paved the way for all to accept the covenant given to Israel and Judah. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

For me it doesn't get any plainer than those verses yet for some reason they are ignored by those who believe Israel and Judah are still subject to the rituals of the old covenant.

If you believe the new covenant is the warmed-over old covenant and only for Israel and Judah, why are you teaching and following their rituals? That is a question you should really ponder and I hope to receive your thoughts.
 
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I guess we will have a lot of questions for Jesus to answer when we get to our eternal home. Yes, I am well aware of what Jeremiah wrote. I am also aware of what Jesus said? Mk 16: He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."
Yes, those 12 were given that commission.
Paul also made it clear that Jesus paved the way for all to accept the covenant given to Israel and Judah. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
Which covenant are you speaking of here?
For me it doesn't get any plainer than those verses yet for some reason they are ignored by those who believe Israel and Judah are still subject to the rituals of the old covenant.
What does 'throughout all your generations' mean to you or 'perpetual covenant'?
If you believe the new covenant is the warmed-over old covenant and only for Israel and Judah, why are you teaching and following their rituals? That is a question you should really ponder and I hope to receive your thoughts.
1. I have Jewish heritage.
2. Yeshua said this:

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Not looking to be called great, but wanting to please my LORD and Savior.


Since you seem to take Pauls word, how do you see this?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. (Speaking of Israel)
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written
So where are you grafted in? Whose tree?
 
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Yes, those 12 were given that commission.
Just for clarity I believe it was only eleven, BUT I also believe Jesus means for all of His followers to understand the need to spread the Gospel to all mankind. Some go and some support the ones that obey the commision.

Which covenant are you speaking of here?
This brings us back to Matt 5 where we disagree what verses 16 and 17 are telling us. Either we believe Jesus brought the Law to an end at Calvary where He ratified the new and better covenant with better promises OR the covenant Jesus was living under is still in effect and Israel and Judah are still under it and anyone who has the urge to become part of their nation must be physically circumcised and accept all of the old covenant Law. Jesus didn't indicate in those verses that Israel and Judah could even discontinue even one letter of the Law. Paul, in Eph 2 must have accepted the belief that Israel and Judah are under the new covenant and that Jesus ended the barrier that kept the two groups, Israel, Judah and all the Gentile nations apart. That barrier was the LAW. Over and over Paul wrote that we, everyone, are not under Law. We read in Gal 3 where Paul is chiding the Galatians for reverting to the teachings of those who still believed they were under the Law. In verse 19 we read: 19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. That verse ties in with Matt 5: 16-17. That makes Jesus word "fulfil" in verse 16 have to mean "bring to an end". then if we go to Paul's words in 2Cor 3: 6-11 we read that the letters written on stone, the ten commandments were only temporary. The NIV states that they were transitory and the KJV states that they were done away.


What does 'throughout all your generations' mean to you or 'perpetual covenant'?
If we read all the ramifications of the covenant between God and Israel, we cannot overlook that there was an "IF" clause in the covenant. It boils down to perpetual and all the other terms hinged on whether the two parties kept their part of the bargain. How could something be perpetual unless the agreement never was broken. We read in the beginning of God's wanting to give the Israelites a covenant that could have been perpetual if they had not broken it: 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” Of course, you know the rest of the story.

1. I have Jewish heritage.
WOW! is that your best answer? After all Jesus went through to give us eternal life??? Remember, He broke the barrier by removing the Law, yet because you are a Jew or part Jew by birth you are not able to accept Jesus new covenant in its fullness? I too am part Jew and very proud of that fact, but I thank Jesus for giving all mankind the opportunity to inherit the Kingdom by faith and not by the works of the Law. If it were by the works of the Law, we would all fail.

2. Yeshua said this:

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes, He did and the qualifier in that statement is till all be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled what the prophets foretold. In His opening statement Jesus mentions that He also came to fulfil the prophets. Would it be your contention that He didn't do what He came to do? He came to do all that or did He fail. If He failed then Israel is still under the Law and the only way Gentiles can be accepted is by physical circumcision.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Not looking to be called great, but wanting to please my LORD and Savior.
Is it your contention that unless we follow what you have come to believe the rest of us are not pleasing God, even though I have tried the best I am able to explain what I believe the scripture is saying to us?

Since you seem to take Pauls word, how do you see this?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. (Speaking of Israel)
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written
So where are you grafted in? Whose tree?
Good question my friend. The above scripture mentions Jesus as the life-giving root of the tree. He nourishes all who are attached to the trunk. We who are Gentiles attached to the tree are not to lord it over the attached Israelites. Nowhere does it tell us we have to be circumcised and become an Israelite. We are merely attaching ourselves to the sustainer of life, the one that broke the barrier by doing away with the Law at Calvary.

Thanks, Lulav, for reading what I have gleaned from reading the Word and listening to Jesus' gift to all mankind, the Holy Spirit. I wonder if we could possibly be distant cousins, just a thought.
 
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Why is it some argue that the Sabbath keeping was only for Israel yet they claim that the New Covenant is for them when Jeremiah 31 plainly states it is for Israel and Judah.
God's promise to Abraham was "In thy seed All the nations of the world shall be blessed", that was 430 yrs before the law (included the Sabbath). God is obligated to fulfill His word above all. (or He is not God). The world being blessed through Jesus was God's plan from creation. Jesus explained that Moses commanded that circumcision to be kept on the Sabbath because that ceremony was passed down from the fathers before Moses.
 
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I see you didn't bother to answer. The NC is for Israel and JUDAH only.

I read through Hebrews 12 and see Nothing in there that even comes closes to answering the question posed.

And btw, who was the book written to? Hint: Hebrews.
Yes, the New Covenant was promised to the COI. God's promise to Abraham is why Jesus' death is for all. After Jews rejected Christ the gospel went also to the Gentiles. Even Peter and the Apostles was surprised that Gentiles was receiving the Holy Spirit.
 
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God's promise to Abraham was "In thy seed All the nations of the world shall be blessed", that was 430 yrs before the law (included the Sabbath). God is obligated to fulfill His word above all. (or He is not God). The world being blessed through Jesus was God's plan from creation. Jesus explained that Moses commanded that circumcision to be kept on the Sabbath because that ceremony was passed down from the fathers before Moses.
Can there be wrath without God’s law? Can one be a transgressor without law? What standard would our righteous Savior have unless there was a law to judge from?
 
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God's promise to Abraham was "In thy seed All the nations of the world shall be blessed", that was 430 yrs before the law
Gen 26: 4 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed Me and fulfilled his duty to Me, and kept My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Here again, Bible details matter. It was a sin even for Abraham to worship false gods and take God's name in vain. Obviously
 
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If Abraham only had to 'walk in faith' then the Messiah would never have come.

Abraham was promised things he would never see but he believed the LORD when he told him;
he didn't understand since he had no offspring and even his wife laughed when she heard about it.

But Abraham did what the LORD told him to do.

"and kept My commandments, My statutes, and My laws TORAH.” Gen 26: 4

All those things above are found in Torah (The Books of Moses) which means 'Instructions' this included up to being willing to sacrifice his only son, Issac because he believed that somehow the LORD would still make him the one to carry on the promise.

That is not just believing or 'having faith' that is as James taught, Faith with Works.

Abraham did the work of loading up his donkey, gathering wood, taking fire and his only son and traveling for 3 days while being about 130 years old. Then when he found the place he went through all the motions (and GOD knew his heart so it wasn't a show) to sacrifice his son.

I'd say that's much more than God has asked of anyone since, yet it is a work of faith.

We are not asked to do such a thing today, how dare we whine and cry about keeping the seventh day as a memorial to the Creator, or carry on because we aren't supposed to eat bacon ice cream or skunk pate?

If Abraham did no works and didn't keep the LORD's commandments, statutes, and TORAH
there would be No Messiah, No savior, No Salvation......................Contemplate that.
 
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The truth is, Gentiles had to circumcised and become proselytes before they could keep the Sabbath.
Can there be wrath without God’s law?
Yes. Adam was given 1 commandment, not a law. Is not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the law? NO!
A law is given to govern a people. Was any one but Adam commanded not to eat from the tree of Good and evil? NO!
Your questions are designed to fabricate a law from creation that would contradict biblical facts. Paul is saying that Adam's sinned when he transgressed the 1 commandment that he was given, but death reigned for sin for everyone from Adam to Moses. (before the law was given)
Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Can one be a transgressor without law?
Yes, sin was in the world before the law
Rom 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

What standard would our righteous Savior have unless there was a law to judge from?
Righteousness by faith is the law we're under.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
 
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Adam was given 1 commandment, not a law. Is not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the law? NO!
Right, of course not, they were kicked out of the garden so it's a moot point to 'put it on the books' right? ;)
 
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The truth is, Gentiles had to circumcised and become proselytes before they could keep the Sabbath.

Yes. Adam was given 1 commandment, not a law. Is not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the law? NO!
A law is given to govern a people. Was any one but Adam commanded not to eat from the tree of Good and evil? NO!
Your questions are designed to fabricate a law from creation that would contradict biblical facts. Paul is saying that Adam's sinned when he transgressed the 1 commandment that he was given, but death reigned for sin for everyone from Adam to Moses. (before the law was given)
Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Yes, sin was in the world before the law
Rom 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


Righteousness by faith is the law we're under.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

No kingdom or government can survive on lawlessness (without law) and God’s Kingdom is no exception. The earthy sanctuary where God dwelled on earth is a miniature of God’s heavenly Sanctuary Hebrews 8:2 where God dwells in Heaven. Inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple is the Ten Commandments- Revelation 11:19 so God’s law is eternal and in heaven. Where there is no law there is no transgression Romans 4:15 and sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4. Lucifer sinned from the begging 1 John 3:8 which means He broke God’s law which again is in heaven and the earthy Temple was the exact replica of God’s heavenly Temple. God did not leave it up man to write His holy commandments. This is the work of God alone Exodus 32:16 written by His own finger Exodus 31:18. The Ten Commandments was most certainly given before Mt Sinai and was given in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve sinned and broke God’s law which is what separated them from God.

Here’s an interesting article I found that goes into detail how Adam and Eve broke God’s Ten Commandments which is what separated man from God. It’s silly to think we can make the same mistake and have a different outcome when God’s Word tells us the His people keep His commandments. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14-15 and God’s commandments of course includes the Sabbath commandment written by God’s own finger and shown being kept for eternity Isaiah 66:23

Many Christians, including myself a while ago, believe that God first made His Ten Commandments known on mount Sinai. However, in this blog post, we are going to show that God ‘covertly’ revealed the Ten Commandments in the beginning, in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve, our first parents. It is a Revelation by Grace!

But how was this discovery made? Ironically, we discovered it in the last book of the Bible, in the book of Revelations 3:14-22, the letter to the church of Laodicea.

In the letter to the church of Laodicea, Jesus Christ addresses the church of today, the last church period in church history, the church of Laodicea, and states that it is naked and needs to buy of Him white raiment to cover the shame of its nakedness.

So the question we have to ask is, how did the church of Laodicea become naked in the first place, and what is this white raiment Jesus Christ strongly recommended as the remedy to our state of nakedness?

After going through the Bible, we discover there’s a similar situation of nakedness and white raiments in the book of Genesis in the story of Adam and Eve. Meaning if we study what occurred in the Garden of Eden that caused Adam and Eve to become naked, we can understand why the church of Laodicea is naked today. But wait a minute? How were Adam and Eve clothed at their creation in the first place before they became naked? From Psalm 8:5 and Isaiah 61:10, we learn that at their creation, God clothed Adam and Eve with glory and honor in garments of light (white), which represented the righteousness of God. So basically, God clothed Adam and Eve just as He and the angels were, in garments of white or light.

So the next logical question is that what then is the Righteousness of God? From Psalm 119:172, Isaiah 51:6-7, 1 John 5:17 and 1 John 3:4, we learn that the Righteousness of God is His everlasting covenant, the Ten Commandments, which is His Holy law. Not the Mosaic law! There’s a difference between the two.

This means that in the Garden of Eden, God clothed Adam and Eve with His Holy Law, which was represented by the white garments, and when they sinned and disobeyed Him, they lost that robe of righteousness and became naked! By eating the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which God commanded them not to eat, Adam and Eve sinned and broke the Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden, therefore losing the garment of white, which is the righteousness of God.


Now that we are on the same page, we can now proceed to tackle the question, which of the Ten Commandments did Adam and Eve break? The answer is the full monty, all the ten at once!

“Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” cannot be found in the 10 Commandments, however, in the simple statement, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die,” God places all the principles of the 10 Commandments.

The purpose of this blog post is to show by eating of that fruit, Adam and Eve broke all the ten commandments.

The first point we have to consider is the Bible’s definition of sin found in 1 John 3:4 “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law,” meaning whenever we sin, we transgress an element of the Ten Commandments.

The second point to note is that the law of God is spiritual, according to Romans 7:14, where Paul states, “For we know that the Law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Why is the Law of God spiritual? We find the answer in Jesus’s conversation with the Samaritan woman in John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” Since the Creator of the universe and author of the 10 Commandments is Spirit, it is just natural that the document He authored is also in Spirit.

Usually, when we think of the 10 Commandments, we look at it literally as a list of 10 to do things. However, when we look at it from a spiritual point of view, we see that it’s more than ten and more profound than we can imagine. The number 10 in the Bible symbolizes ordinal perfection in the totality of God’s government. Psalm 119:96 states, “I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.” It is limitless and encompasses every sin under the universe, and the angels are also subject to it just as we are. It is similar to the parables of the ten virgins (Matt 25:1-13), the ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19), the ten talents (Matt 25:14-30), and the ten minas (Luke 19:12-27). The number ten used in all these parables are prophetic and symbolic of the totality of the faithful.

Also, the law being Spirit should not be surprising because even laws written by humans is said to be in letter and Spirit. Constitutions of nations and governments are argued both in letter and spirit, so how much more the law that was written by God, who is Spirit? The Spirit of the law is the profound purpose, intention, and reasoning behind the letter of the law that we see. It is the part of the law that we do not see, but the more critical component of the law. Whenever we change the letter of the law it means that we have also changed the reason and original intent, which is the foundation upon which the law sits, which is the most critical aspect of the law. That is why the Lord warned us in Proverbs 22:28, “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” An example between letter and spirit of the law at home when your parents tell their teenagers not to have premarital sex until they are responsible adults. The teenager may not be happy and understand because they want to experience it. However, the spirit behind the law is that the parent is protecting their adolescent child from getting teenage pregnancy, which could derail their education and future stability or contracting an STD, which could end their life.

Part 2 to follow
 
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Also, the difference in the letter and spirit of the law can be found in the criminal code in most countries where you can be charged with conspiracy to commit a crime, whether murder or stealing or any other crime under the criminal code.

Having explained the Letter and Spirit of the law, we can now move on to examine what occurred in the Garden.

From Genesis 3:6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

The Tenth Commandment

From the above quote, we see that Eve coveted or lusted after the fruit when “she saw that the tree was good for food, and “it was pleasant to the eyes” as well as “a tree to be desired to make one wise.” Eve coveted God’s fruit and broke the tenth commandment which says “17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.” (Exodus 20:17)

Eve did not only covet the fruit of God, but she also wanted the knowledge which belonged to God, which is the knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinfully lusted after what was not theirs and sinfully desired to be like God themselves. Even though they were tempted and deceived by the Serpent, which is the devil and Satan, to take the fruit and eat, we also learn from James, that every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his lust and enticed. James 1:13-15 “13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” So before Satan’s deception, he had probably observed their own desires of the fruit before hatching his plan to cause their fall.

Coveteousness or the sin of lust is the primary basis of all other sins committed by man. In Romans 7, Paul states that he was first convicted of sin, the sin of lust by the law, which said Thou shalt not covet. It is from covetousness that people steal, kill, and commit adultery. It is from coveteousness that we find greed or selfishness, envy, and jealousy. We fall into the sin of covetousness or lust when we are not content with what our Creator God has already given us. 1 Timothy 66 “But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” When we show discontent, we become ungrateful to God, who has provided us with everything and also tells us to be anxious about nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, we should make our requests be made known to Him. (Philippians 4:6)


Adam and Eve were not content with all the fruit trees of the Garden of Eden, which God had given them to eat for food. They became blinded in their lust and desire for the fruit and knowledge of God and thus broke the tenth commandment, which says Thou shalt not covet.

The Second Commandment

From Colossians 3, we learn that coveteousness is idolatry, therefore by breaking the tenth commandment, Adam and Eve automatically broke the second commandment, which speaks of idolatry. Paul states in Colossians 3, “Put to death, therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.”

How is covetousness idolatry someone might ask? It is easy to see how Adam and Eve were blinded by desire and lust for the fruit of God. The fruit became the object of desire and attention. Anything that becomes our object of extreme admiration, love, desire, and attention is an idol. It becomes an idol because it replaces the role of God in our lives. As creation and children of God, He must be our object of admiration and desire and worhsip. Adam and Eve became blinded to everything else God had provided for them in the Garden, and their only focus and object of desire became the fruit of God and the knowledge of good and evil. The second commandment states “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:4-6).

God considers anyone who commits idolatry to hate him. Most Christians know that idolotry in the form of bowing down an object is a sin. However, many of us are oblivious to the more critical aspect of committing spiritual idolatry when we make other objects or entities the center of our desire or attention or admiration. It can be our children, wives or loved ones, favorite artiste, or a coveted position or any inanimate object.

A perfect example of how coveteousness leads to idolatry is the fall of Lucifer or Satan, which found in Isaiah 14: 12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”



Satan, formerly Lucifer, a creation of God, coveted the throne of God and also wanted to be worshipped like God. He was a beautifully created mighty angel who covered the throne of God (anointed cherub). His was not satisfied with his position in heaven and desire to be like God. His desire, selfishness, and greed blinded him to all the gifts God had already endowed him. His selfishness shows in verse above where everything was about him, I, I, I, I, I…..5 I’s, he failed to see anything else but the throne of God in his sight. This desire led Lucifer to rebel against God, causing him to be cast out of heaven and become Satan, the adversery. He is the chief Idolator who desires worship and control everything else, and now he’s deceived fallen human race to worship him instead of our Creator God. The reason why we worship God is that He is our Creator and provider in all things. However, when we commit idolatry, we worship the creation instead of the Creator himself. Adam and Eve committed idolatry because the object of their desire and worship become the fruit of God instead of God, their Creator, who gave them everything.

The First Commandment

Whenever we commit idolatry, we automatically break the first commandment which states that “thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3)

By listening to the Serpent, Adam and Eve put their faith in Satan, the god of this world, instead of the Lord, who made Heaven and Earth and created them in His image and provided them everything. They put another god ahead of their Creator; they chose another god. Moreover, through unbelief Adam also put himself before God, desiring to be wise “like God,” knowing good and evil. He put the Serpent, his Wife, and Himself before God. Triple error!

The Third Commandment

The third commandment states, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” God’s name (YHVH) is Holy and reflects his character. He is the Lord, our Provider (Jireh), our Shalom (Peace), He is Lord Almighty (El Shaddai), He’s Healer (Rapha), Most High God (El Elyon), etc., etc., the characteristics of God are innumerable.

When we take God’s name in vain, we fail to acknowledge God for who he is. When we take God’s name in vain, we treat God, his Word, or his work in the world in a way that demeans him and robs him of his infinite glory. Adam and Eve took the name of God in vain when they portrayed their Creator to be mean and ungenerous. “And the woman said unto the serpent; We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”


God was generous as He provided Adam and Eve with all the fruit trees in the garden and only left one to himself. However, Eve portrayed the Lord as a wicked Father who even did not want them to touch his fruit. They mischaracterized God in front of Satan, who capitalized on it to deceive her.

The Fifth Commandment

The fifth commandment states that “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.” (Exodus 20:12) When Adam and Eve broke the third commandment taking the name of the Lord in Vain, they dishonored their Father and Creator in front of the Serpent. God never told them not to touch of the fruit of the tree, by mentioning that Eve portrayed God to be a wicked Father who did not want His children even to touch his fruit. As a result of that, their days in the land (garden of Eden) were not long but cut short. Even though Adam and Eve lived long, their lives were full of toil and hardship due to their sin.

The Ninth Commandment

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” (Exodus 20:16) As a result of using God’s name in vain, Adam and Eve also bore false witness to God. Adam and Eve misquoted their father as God never told them even not to touch the fruit. As witnesses of God, we have to be witnesses to the truth. Whenever we misquote, misinterpret, or misrepresent any portion of God’s Word, we bear false witness to God and become false witnesses or false prophets, which is sin.

The Six Commandment

“Thou shalt do no murder.” (Exodus 20:13) Adam and Eve brought death into the world by their act of eating the fruit of the tree. First, Adam had to kill a lamb, then later, Cain murdered Abel, etc.

The Seventh Command ent

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exodus 20:14) God’s children, Adam and Eve, were also the bride of God. From Isaiah 54, scripture tells us that “For thy Maker is thine husband.” Being the wife of God, Adam and Eve should have been faithful to God, their husband. However, by listening to Satan, they entertained another entity and listened to the commands of another ‘man’ who was not their husband and became unfaithful committing adultery spiritually against God. The Serpent, Satan, who is the adversary of God, had his way with God’s bride. How does that make God look? Very very bad and very weak. Whenever we listen to another entity besides our Creator God, we commit adultery or fornication.



Adam and Eve, therefore, lusted after another, the word of the Serpent and his ways, and by eating a piece of the forbidden fruit, they violated the seventh commandment. Whenever we forsake the Word of God and follow after commandments outside the Word of God, we commit adultery or fornication, which the Bible in the book Revelation says will be the greatest sin of the church.

The Eighth Commandment

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15) By eating from God’s tree, Adam and Eve stole from God. They intended to take the knowledge that belonged to God. Adam and Eve became thieves when they ate God’s fruit, violating the eighth commandment.

The Fourth Commandment

The final commandment Adam and Eve broke was the fourth commandment, the seventh-day Sabbath commandment. The commandment to keep the Seventh-day day Holy, like all the other nine commandments, has a literal interpretation and a spiritual element to it. The commandment states the following: “8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:8-11) It is the longest commandment covering four verses.

The reason God commanded us to keep holy the Sabbath day is stated in verse 11, pointing towards His six-day creation work and Yahweh’s position as the Creator or Maker of Heavens and the Earth. The reason we worship Yahweh is that He Created us as stated in Psalm 95, “O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.” (Psalms 95:6)

The Word Sabbath contains the name of our father ABBA; it is the day of our father. Abba in Hebrew stands for foundation, Source, sustainer, protector, all characteristics of God (Strong's Hebrew: 1. אָב (ab) -- father). The entire planet originated from God, which makes him the foundation of everything. Everything comes from God, which makes him the Source. He sustains and upholds everything that comes out of his mouth, which makes him Sustainer and Protector.



When we give Him reverence and worship by obeying his Word, we affirm His role as the Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer, and Protector of our lives. Adam and Eve instead gave reverence to the Serpent and followed his word against the Word of God. Adam and Eve, in effect, gave the role of Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer and Protector to the Serpent and thus broke the Sabbath Commandment, which shows that Yahweh is our Abba Father.

That is a long piece, but we can see from the preceding that Adam and Eve’s sin of disobeying God’s command not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was very grievous in the sight of the Lord and was not simply the eating of a forbidden fruit. The sin led God to drive them out of the garden of Eden and away from the tree of life.

If the Ten Commandments were in existence from the Garden of Eden, then it is still applicable today and was not only given to the Jews on Mount Sinai. It is the Righteousness of God from the beginning of the world; it is the righteousness of God in heaven; it is the righteousness of God now and will be the Righteousness of God in heaven and earth made new. Do not be deceived by anyone who says God has changed any part of it or removed any part of it. God does not change; He is the same yesterday today and forever. Amen!

 
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BobRyan said:
Gen 26: 4 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed Me and fulfilled his duty to Me, and kept My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Here again, Bible details matter. It was a sin even for Abraham to worship false gods and take God's name in vain. Obviously
Here again, you're high jacking words. (How you make your living I bet) Anyone who reads from Gen 12 can see God giving Abraham commandments statutes and laws. Abraham had to leave his father and mother, go to foreign land, sacrifice his son. Those are the commandments Gen 26:4 God is talking about. keeping circumcision as a law because every male in his camp had to do it.
Here again I am actually quoting the text - while your post ignores every word in the text as if what you 'need' is to have the text "not quoted"

Very instructive for the unbiased objective reader regarding Abraham who "Saw MY day and was glad" according to Christ in John 8.
Abraham - a prophet of old who Peter said "saw the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow" - and most certainly knew that taking God's name in vain was sin.

Obviously.
 
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Can there be wrath without God’s law? Can one be a transgressor without law? What standard would our righteous Savior have unless there was a law to judge from?
Oh my, it seems like not one word I have written on the forum has had any effect on those bent on proclaiming we have to keep the law of the old covenant in order to know what sin is. The Law says that man is not to cut his sideburns. The law states that man is to sacrifice animals on the Sabbath. The Law states that man must remain in his dwelling on the Sabbath. The Law states that man is to work six days a week. One thing I do not see the law telling man is that any of those laws can be disregarded. I do not see those who maintain we must keep the Law leading the way. It seems to be a game of pick and choose and a bunch of excuses. God demanded full allegiance to all His laws. I would think that those demanding allegiance to the Law would be thrilled to see what Paul wrote in Eph 2:
10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.


The above statement is either completely ignored or falsely stated that it doesn't mean what it says by those who tell us we must keep the Law. Another group of texts Jesus was teaching those around Him right before He was crucified and recorded for our admonition is Jn15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Those who tell us we must keep the Law seem to ignore Jesus words there in verses 9-14. I couldn't mean what it is telling those around Jesus. Why how would we ever know what sin is if all we have to do is believe we have to love others as Jesus loves us?
 
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The above statement is either completely ignored or falsely stated that it doesn't mean what it says by those who tell us we must keep the Law. Another group of texts Jesus was teaching those around Him right before He was crucified and recorded for our admonition is Jn15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Those who tell us we must keep the Law seem to ignore Jesus words there in verses 9-14. I couldn't mean what it is telling those around Jesus. Why how would we ever know what sin is if all we have to do is believe we have to love others as Jesus loves us?

God identified His commandments right in the Ten. Exodus 20:6, Exodus 20 To think the commandments that God personally wrote with His own finger Exodus 31:18 and are kept in His heavenly Temple Revelation 11:19 are not included is not a teaching of God or Jesus. Jesus condemns those who do not keep His Father's commandments quoting directly from the Ten. Matthew 15:3-9

Love to God is keeping His commandments.

For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

Those who do not keep His commandments, there is no truth 1 John 2:3-5. All of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151
 
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Oh my, it seems like not one word I have written on the forum has had any effect
Consider that it may be because you don't actually address the points made in the texts posted to you and keep circling back to claims that were disproven in prior posts that you ignored. IT is not as mysterious as you may have at first supposed.
 
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The law states that man is to sacrifice animals on the Sabbath.
Sadly you keep ignoring the answer from Heb 10 where animal sacrifice and offerings end at the cross. So we get to keep having that same conversation over and over again.
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

The above statement is either completely ignored or falsely stated that it doesn't mean what it says
false. You are making accusations without have a shred of evidence for it in your post. .... again.
 
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The Law says that man is not to cut his sideburns.
And it says "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

This is not as confusing to others as it is to you apparently

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN"
[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
 
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Now I think I understand why Jesus said this:

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:​
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:​
and he that is righteous,​
let him be righteous still:​
and he that is holy,​
let him be holy still.” Rev 22:11​

And he is rewarding for WORKS!

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Rev 22:12​
Same (Greek) word used in James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works?​
can faith save him?
 
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