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The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Neostarwcc, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Formerly FireInFolding

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    Thats okay, I most certainly forgive you.

    Maybe the money incentive for COVID related deaths (with very few living witnesses) can be tempting? Don't know, I cant say.

    I'm more than sure they will be extra careful from here on out after being found out. That one was way too obvious to push through without someone looking up and noticing.

    I really have to end the back and forths though, so this really needs to be my last answer here.

    You are good at provoking a response, I will give you that.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2021
  2. The Liturgist

    The Liturgist Traditional Liturgical Christian

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    So here’s the problem with your argument: if the economy suffers another lockdown like what happened last spring, it could collapse, and if it collapses, the resulting starvation and lack of even basic medical care could easily kill hundreds of millions, maybe even billions.

    Protecting the functioning of the economy should be the absolute top priority of every government, because without a viable economy there is no way of paying for those things needed to treat Covid.

    To use a parable, think of the world as a jetliner flying at 30,000 feet. The captain is the economy and the co-pilot is the world’s energy, communication food production and transportation infrastructure. If we let them die, the plane crashes and we all die. The economy and the world’s vital infrastructure are more important than anything else, because if they fail, most people alive would die. And if they are severely damaged, the death toll would be massive.

    The first course I ever took in college, and the course I still believe is the most important one I ever took, was Macro Economics. I think everyone should study macroeconomics. As my professor, Dr. Basil Ibegbulam, liked to say, “Ecomomics is everything.”
     
  3. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Formerly FireInFolding

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    Okay, but let me ask you this, are you told whether a person died WITH Covid or FROM Covid since we have testimony showing that people are recorded as dyingg from Covid (just from testng positive with it but died from another illness. For example, those who have so many days to live and who might have been diagnosed with cancer like Fred Creasy

    Here

    Dying with COVID and dying from COVID are same thing in Oregon | kgw.com

    PORTLAND, Ore. — Fred Creasy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at the end of June. Doctors gave the 81-year-old just 30 days to live. He died at the end of July while in hospice care at Avamere Rehabilitation Facility in Newport.

    “They told my daughter you better come down here because it's going to be today. And within five hours he was gone,” said daughter Rhonda McCrary.

    McCrary said her father tested positive for COVID-19 around the same time of his cancer diagnosis.

    “He had no symptoms. He wasn't even quarantined,” said McCrary.


    McCrary said her dad died from advanced cancer and Avamere considered Creasy recovered from the coronavirus. A few days after his death, Lincoln County Public Health reported Creasy as the county’s ninth COVID-19 death.

    “I mean, that’s not what he died from. He died from colon cancer, not COVID and places are listing loved ones as COVID deaths. And they're labeling that and it's just not true,” said McCrary.


    If you had to transport his body would you know this?

    Afterall it could be listed as COVID death (and not be so) and that could also make it more then what is the actual cause of death.
     
  4. expos4ever

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    This seems rather over-the-top. To be fair, I cannot "prove" that the scenario that you paint is as implausible as it seems on the surface. Surely you would agree that it is not clear exactly what the long-term implications of another lockdown would be. And here in Canada, things have been locked down super-tight due to an explosive recent rise. I see no reason to imagine that what happened before will not happen again - once things are under control, the lockdown will be lifted.
     
  5. The Liturgist

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    With all due respect, you were not in the US during the pandemic, you don’t know what life has been like in both the areas with high infection rates and the areas with very low infection rates, you are ignoring the fact that several policies enacted by or advocated by President Trump including the CDC Eviction Moratorium, Operation Warp Speed to fast-track approval of the vaccines by the FDA, which is notorious throughout the world for taking an excessive amount of time to approve even drugs that are vitally needed, the use of the Defense Production Act to mass produce ventilators, and the economic stimulus payments, helped the situation immediately, and these policies have been continued under Biden, who also saw to it that the $1,400 of the $2,000 stimulus check Trump wanted passed, but Congress rejected, was passed after he took office.

    I did not vote for nor do I support either Trump or Biden, because I believe that as a clergyman I should avoid party politics, and I pray for the President of the United States and all civil authorities during all of the services of my church.

    I do believe however that I should ensure that people benefit from accurate and impartial information concerning the Presidents when I am in a position to provide it.
     
  6. Isilwen

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    That would be from.

    I'm not going to get into the whole comorbidity thing in this thread.
     
  7. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Formerly FireInFolding

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    But thats just it, how would you know? If people listed as dying WITH covid are admittedly recorded as dying FROM it, and thats not in reference to the car accident deaths, or motorcycle deaths and anything similar to those but moreso those like Fred.

    It would actually make sense that it was more, but it would also be something you could justifibly need to know about (regardless of how they might have died) WITH or FROM seeing you would still be in pocession of a covid positive body (to transport). In otherwords there could be more cases which test positive for covid (who never develop or die from it) but at the same time you (being transporter) would still need to know, if thats how it works (for the transporters protection). Thats what I was getting at.

    I will let you guys continue, and will try not to jump back in and be done with this (Until another thread I cannot resist opens up on it).
     
  8. Aldebaran

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    The evidence is finally being acknowledged: Johnson & Johnson Vaccinations Paused After Rare Clotting Cases Emerge
     
  9. Aldebaran

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    It's perfectly relevant to the question you asked, which was:
    Is forcing a baker to bake and decorate a cake for a homosexual "wedding" a service people believe is a right? Those who sue over it seem to think so.
     
  10. Aldebaran

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    Your logic is very authoritarian.
     
  11. Aldebaran

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    You can get the shots if you wish to take the gamble. Or not. Your body, your choice. Just don't try to make my choices for me.
     
  12. Aldebaran

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    Is that why Johnson and Johnson keeps getting their "vaccine" paused while deaths and injuries get investigated.
     
  13. Aldebaran

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    All you have to do is look:
     
  14. Daniel Marsh

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    Who came up with the silly idea that the vaccine is the mark of the beast?
     
  15. Taodeching

    Taodeching Well-Known Member

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    Somebody in the Eschatology section I believe. It is unfortunate that us Christians are gullible to many things, even me sometimes
     
  16. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Formerly FireInFolding

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    On post #158 I just spent quite awhile searching and editing in numerous videos I had to search for over that "that other" platform that is censored on CF but it provides a platform and numerous videos from just about everywhere some far better then others but I was not making anything up. Glad you were able to post one.
     
  17. Aldebaran

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    I was going to ask what that other platform was by way of private message, but can't access your profile. Could you give me a hint?
     
  18. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    I posted them in post # 158 (which I justed edited) from this platform

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    It wont allow me to post any video from there (I think because of the word in the platforms name).

    I hope that helps, I will put you on follow if you still need to contact me for anything more, I think then you would be able to.
     
  19. Aldebaran

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    Thanks! I never heard of that before. I'll have to check it out.
    I just started following you now too. It let's me get to your profile, but I still don't see how to PM you. I guess that's ok though at this point.
     
  20. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Formerly FireInFolding

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    Its not much to get excited about over there, I prefer Youtube, but also try to not use it when I dont have to. Its actually fustrating to find anything there, tedious. Then after all the trouble the forum doesnt allow you to post any videos from there.

    I PMed you, you sound like me, dont know what I am doing behind the scenes here lol
     
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