The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

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I've never seen a liquor store that had dozens of people sitting for an hour or more, shoulder to shoulder in a confined space, inhaling and exhaling the maximum capacity of their lungs.

You clearly haven’t been to one in Nevada... Every liquor store is a miniature casino, outside of the few municipalities like Carson City and Boulder City where gambling is prohibited by local ordinance.
 
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You clearly haven’t been to one in Nevada... Every liquor store is a miniature casino, outside of the few municipalities like Carson City and Boulder City where gambling is prohibited by local ordinance.

Most liquor stores in most cities and states are not "miniature casinos" and even casinos in most states are not like Nevada casinos. If you have to go to an extreme to prove your point, you had disproven it as a generalizable point.

I don't doubt for a moment that in Nevada, "money talks" with regard to casinos. If the argument is that "money talks" had an impact on what stayed open during the various shut-downs, I certainly won't dispute that.

Regarding the actual risk of infection, the specific type of environment created by a normal church service meeting is almost purpose-designed for transmission of an airborne disease. That's not particularly true of most small merchandise environments, where there are generally few people and those people are in-and-out fairly quickly, without having "rebreathed" the exhalations of very many people.
 
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Reductio ad absurdum!

Be careful, as some of the "doctors and nurses" my be Martians. Don't be fooled by their white coats. They secretly want to devour your children!
It's easy to mock. And it won't be the doctors and nurses in control. They have to go along or lose their jobs. That's already happening.
 
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I'm getting a little sick of hearing about this but yeah, the covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark that you receive on your right HAND or FOREHEAD. My wife and I both got our COVID vaccinations this morning and we were both injected in the ARM. Not to mention, participation in getting our vaccines was COMPLETELY voluntary. If you refuse to take the mark of the beast, the government will KILL you. Plus the covid vaccine is in the ARM not the hand or forehead.

Another thing I noticed. Before the nurse injected both of us she asked which arms we wanted to get injected into. So we could even chose what side of our body we could be injected into. Umm... last I checked the mark of the beast is not voluntary. They do not say "do you want it on your left hand or your right?" They just stick the mark in.

And the biggest clincher for me? God promised to protect his people from the coming tribulation. So even if the covid vaccine IS the mark of the beast... God willingly allowed me, one of his children to get injected.

Last I checked God never and could never go back on his promises. But everybody just acts like God doesn't even exist.

Don't be stupid. Do your part in eliminating this epidemic, get vaccinated if you can. And even when you're vaccinated still wear a mask. The vaccinations don't turn you into superman.. When we are smart during this epidemic we can lower the global death toll. But if we're not even going to read scripture and just automatically assume the two solutions to this global epidemic is evil and cursed and from Satan.... we're going to see another black death.... literally.
I disagree, disagree, disagree but because of being on a cell I can't go into it
I will say this don't try to influence others concerning the shot. It wasn'.t
At all tested long enough to be sure it is safe
Look at all the meds that have lengthy testing that the FDA have approved They have more side effects then the illness it's self. You have no idea what you are in for
 
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It doesn't make any sense which makes it suspect. if you can still carry and spread it being vaccinated whats the point on getting vaccinated at all? Sounds a little retarded to make those who do not get vaccinated some sort of threat. I mean, "there you go, you are vaccinated and you can be a super spreader" and so what difference does this put between the vaccinated or the unvacinated"?

It just gets stranger every day.

My Dad realizes this now. He got the 2 shots, and still has to wear a mask. The reasoning is that he could still carry the virus and spread it to others. He wonders now what the point of the shots was.
People are realizing that getting the shots is actually a personal risk to one's own life. When we couple that with the idea that the shots don't even prevent viral spread, what really is the use?
So much for those nice-sounding "95% effectiveness" claims.
 
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It's so that if you do get it, your chances of it putting you in the hospital are minimized. The vaccine does also minimize your chance of getting Covid, but like all vaccines, there is still a chance you will contract what ever your vaccinated against.

I would be more likely to understand such a reason if they were trying to minimize a percentage that was far greater then 1%

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
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I would be more likely to understand such a reason if they were trying to minimize a percentage that was far greater then 1%

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It also helps to prevent what they're calling Covid long-haulers. Those that end up with symptoms for months.

When you look at everything as a whole, not just the death rate, you begin to understand.
 
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I disagree, disagree, disagree but because of being on a cell I can't go into it
I will say this don't try to influence others concerning the shot. It wasn'.t
At all tested long enough to be sure it is safe
Look at all the meds that have lengthy testing that the FDA have approved They have more side effects then the illness it's self. You have no idea what you are in for

You're in for a very, very serious health problem if you don't get vaccinated, up to and including death. Over 500,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the US alone, close to 3,000,000 people worldwide. Since I love life I don't plan to be one of those people and I pray that you will come to your senses, get vaccinated, and stay alive for as long as God wants you to live.
 
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It also helps to prevent what they're calling Covid long-haulers. Those that end up with symptoms for months.

When you look at everything as a whole, not just the death rate, you begin to understand.

Everything, including those who die shortly after getting the shot, and then those who have a monetary interest in giving people shots are quick to downplay the deaths, saying that there is no indication that it was from the shot?
Johnson and Johnson's "vaccine" has had so many side effects that sites have had to close down over concerns about its safety.
 
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My Dad realizes this now. He got the 2 shots, and still has to wear a mask. The reasoning is that he could still carry the virus and spread it to others. He wonders now what the point of the shots was.
People are realizing that getting the shots is actually a personal risk to one's own life. When we couple that with the idea that the shots don't even prevent viral spread, what really is the use?
So much for those nice-sounding "95% effectiveness" claims.

So it will be 95% effective in the rest of the 99% of the U.S population that will survive it anyway (without hospitalization) BUT it could also have severe side effects the smallest percentage part of the 99% of people (who will never die or be hospitalized by the virus) which again makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why on earth subject yourself to an untested vaccine (or whatever it is) which has no long term studies, no liability of harm on their part (who created it) and which might not even protect you or anyone else, and you still have to wear a mask and distance, none of this makes any sense whatsoever except it being a mass test of the populations dumbed down status (?)
 
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Johnson and Johnson's "vaccine" has had so many side effects that sites have had to close down over concerns about its safety.

This is true, and they are doing something about it.

I was on the fence about the shot and coupled with my phobia of needles, I wasn't going to get it, but then there was the chance that I wouldn't be able to travel to see my children who live 1200 miles away. So, I did more research and the pros far outweighed the cons, not just for me personally, but the pros that my being vaccinated have on other people.
 
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You're in for a very, very serious health problem if you don't get vaccinated, up to and including death. Over 500,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the US alone, close to 3,000,000 people worldwide. Since I love life I don't plan to be one of those people and I pray that you will come to your senses, get vaccinated, and stay alive for as long as God wants you to live.

I'm just not sure how to explain it any further than I have. It is almost like they don't want to understand it for fear that they're wrong. I am also seeing too much misinformation in regards to the virus itself anymore from those who won't get the shot.
 
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You're in for a very, very serious health problem if you don't get vaccinated, up to and including death. Over 500,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the US alone, close to 3,000,000 people worldwide. Since I love life I don't plan to be one of those people and I pray that you will come to your senses, get vaccinated, and stay alive for as long as God wants you to live.

Many of those getting the shots have had some very serious health problems (including losing their life). Unlike those who supposedly die of Covid rather than an underlying condition, the "vaccine" gets the benefit of the doubt when people die shortly after getting it.

Virginia woman dies shortly after Covid vaccination, though no link has been found

California health care worker dies after second dose of COVID vaccine, investigations underway – Twin Cities

West Point woman's death after COVID-19 vaccination spurs questions; no confirmed link
 
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It also helps to prevent what they're calling Covid long-haulers. Those that end up with symptoms for months.

When you look at everything as a whole, not just the death rate, you begin to understand.

How many of these "long haulers" are there in the non hospitalized (will not die from it) group in the 99% group who could opt for other treatments like HCQ (had it been administered early) and Ivermectin? Why push the vaccine on the 99% er's which will be fine.

We can let people chose even then. People who are not so much afraid of being hospitalized (or dying, as is not the case among these 99%er's) but who just have another fear, the fear of being one of the few among the non hospitalizable folks called "long haulers".
 
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Voter I.D. is a security measure. It also doesn't endanger anyone like the substance they rushed into production.
How is voter ID a security measure?

Even if it is, surely you must realize that I am going to reply with the obvious: the very reason for the vaccination passport is to prevent suffering and death.

How is that not important?

Besides, I suspect you have zero evidence to support your assertion that the vaccine was (a) inappropriately rushed; (b) poses a danger in any reasonable sense.
 
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Israel is already going the route of requiring people to get a vaccine ID to allow them to do things. That's one way to intimidate people into getting it. "Get it or you can't buy groceries until you do" is rather intimidating.
This is not intimidation! You cannot redefine intimidation to mean "to be prevented from doing something that you want to do, when you do not comply with reasonable pre-requisites".

Is it "intimidation" if I can't get into Yale because my grades are too low? Of course not.

You will no doubt respond that food, unlike admission to Yale is a necessity. Indeed food is a necessity. But that does not mean it is "intimidation" to prevent you from endangering other people needlessly to get access to it.
 
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Many of those getting the shots have had some very serious health problems (including losing their life).
Do you understand what an anecdote is?

Here is one: Man smokes 2 packs a day for 70 years and lives to 90.

Does this mean smoking is not hazardous because this one man seemed to not be harmed?

Come on, we can, and should do better than this - presenting cherry-picked anecdotes is something we learn in high school is not a valid way to present an argument.
 
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Most liquor stores in most cities and states are not "miniature casinos" and even casinos in most states are not like Nevada casinos. If you have to go to an extreme to prove your point, you had disproven it as a generalizable point.

I don't doubt for a moment that in Nevada, "money talks" with regard to casinos. If the argument is that "money talks" had an impact on what stayed open during the various shut-downs, I certainly won't dispute that.
My primary concern is the abuse of religious freedom that occurred in Nevada, California and some surrounding states. There was no justification for Governor Sisolak to close the churches while allowing liquor stores to operate; additionally, when the casinos were reopened, they were not subjected to the capacity restrictions illegally imposed on churches.

As far as “money talking” with regards to the casinos, the casinos certainly did not ask for any restrictions to be imposed on churches. Surprisingly, the majority of people who own or work for casinos in Nevada are Christians; the mafia who founded them were, of course, but the modern day owners and employees are member of a large number of different churches. I have close friends who work in that business who are members of non-denominational megachurches, the many Eastern Orthodox churches in Las Vegas, the Roman Catholic, Maronite Catholic, Ukrainian Greek Catholic and Italo Albanian Greek Catholic churches, the mainline Protestant churches, the Coptic, Armenian and other Oriental Orthodox churches, and a very close friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist. There is also a Mormon temple and several “wards” in Vegas and I would expect some of them work in the gaming industry as well. Don Laughlin, the exceedingly generous founder of the town of Laughlin, who owns the Riverside Resort, is a Roman Catholic and his devotion is such he paid for the construction of the local Catholic parish, and additionally arranges for masses to be served in the convention center portion of his resort. I attended one while on vacation and it was the best Novus Ordo mass I have been to, with proper Gregorian chant in English (specifically, the Missa de Angelis).

On that note, the decision of the Roman Catholic Church and some of the mainline churches to suspend service was a major contributor to the illicit suppression of worship in California and Nevada. The Russian Orthodox Church, several Continuing Anglican churches, and several other conservative denominations desired to continue operating with social distancing but was forcibly shut down. That a group of larger churches including the Episcopal Church forced the shutdown of smaller Continuing Anglican churches, one of which, St. George’s Anglican Church in Ventura, California, which is one of only two continuing Anglican churches in the region as a result nearly closed permanently due to financial hardship created by a long term lease and a lack of revenue due to the suppression of worship services, is a clear violation of the establishment clause.

But if you want a national example of a high risk double standard, I shall provide you one in the next response:

Regarding the actual risk of infection, the specific type of environment created by a normal church service meeting is almost purpose-designed for transmission of an airborne disease. That's not particularly true of most small merchandise environments, where there are generally few people and those people are in-and-out fairly quickly, without having "rebreathed" the exhalations of very many people.

Not only is your point such an extreme oversimplification as to be inaccurate, because many churches have windows that can be opened as well as numerous means of ventilation which can be combined to ensure air quality, but with social distancing, a church service can be safer than a theatre. And that’s not even getting into other religions adversely impacted by this persecution the illegal worship ban disrupted many other religions and religious services, leading to the morally unjustifiable suppression of Mosques, Gurdwaras, Hindu and Buddhist temples, Orthodox and Karaite Synagogues, Reform Judaism Temples, and Ethiopian Jewish Temples, and many other religious facilities of different religions which in many cases did not wish to be shut down, and the prohibition of their worship was every bit as much as an infringement of their constitutional rights as the suppression of our Christian worship.

Indeed the most horrific moment in all of this for me personally was an anti-semitic incident in which the non-Jewish mayor of a large city, flanked by armed police, took it on himself to desecrate and suppress the funeral of a beloved Chassidic Rebbe who had reposed of natural causes. I myself am not Jewish, but on that day I was profoundly moved. Since that time, that same city has faced credible accusations of imposing more severe Covid lockdowns in Chassidic areas, which to me suggests a pattern of unconstitutional, anti-Semitic behavior.

Now, moving on to a general nationwide case of partiality, the anti-police protests and especially the occupation of certain areas in major cities actually were very much a breeding ground for Covid. After the protests began, we saw a steady, continual increase in the number of cases. And when we look at the “occupy” protests such as CHOP/CHAZ in Seattle, these environments, according to the CDC’s own guidance, actually were almost literally, to use your words, tailor made to facilitate the spread of the virus. The CDC imposed an eviction moratorium precisely because they did not want people living in tents, in communal conditions, which is precisely what we saw in the occupied protests. A group of protestors sharing a tent, rebreathing each other’s exhalations throughout the night after a day spent interacting with a large number of people, many of which were doubtless infected with Covid but in the early, asymptomatic phase in which transmission is so much of a danger...well, anyone can see the danger in that.

And what I find morally outrageous about this is that all of that was allowed to occur, while churches remained shutdown. People can claim it was their first amendment right to protest, and to some extent, that is true, although in the case of the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest in Seattle and others like it, it seems probable that the first amendment rights were exceeded to a large degree, while, at precisely the same time, churches remained shut down. And churches have every bit as much entitlement to first amendment freedoms as organized protests.

Fortunately, this is now a non-issue, because the United States Supreme Court agreed with my position on the matter. I am interested in filing some lawsuits for monetary damages against the governments and certain key officials in California, Nevada and other states in the Southwest where worship services were unconstitutionally impeded. If successful, these could raise substantial funds for charity. I am a particular fan of The Voice of the Martyrs and also the charitable ministries associated with the Episcopal Church and Catholic Charities, based on their performance track record in recent years.
 
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The percentage of people dying from this are so small......
A bad argument, as has been pointed out already:

This is a profoundly misleading argument. Sadly, this kind of argument works because people are mentally lazy - they read "98% survival" and say to themselves "golly that sounds pretty harmless". And then they do not do what we so desperately need people to do: think, think, think.

To anyone not living under a rock, the survival rate is not the only issue. In fact, it may not even be the most important issue. The problem is overloading a health care system.

Do I need to do the math? With such a contagious virus, if we take no countermeasures, it will sweep through the populace like wildfire. And if even only 3% need to go to the hospital, that is millions of extra people going to the hospital than before Covid.

This overtaxes the health care system, not to mention the mental toll it takes on health care workers.

Besides it is interesting, and no doubt not a coincidence that you characterize the virus as having a 98% survival rate. I could turn that around and point out that if only 100,000,000 Americans ever get Covid, that means 2 million deaths
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