The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

[expos4ever]

It was not misleading at all, 2 weeks to flatten the curve was observed, we gave them a inch and they took a mile, and it turned out to be an entire year watching them destroy businesses and the economy while we had priviledge of watchingg all the empty hospitals videos showing empty waiting rooms, parking lots, and nurses and doctors demonstrating their twerking abilities for us.

All I can say is "Thou shalt not bear false witness".

 

[expos4ever]

Than you have the wrong masks. I am thinking people have no idea what the mask is for, it's not to protect you but for others. When you wear the mask your looking out for others but some are trying to treat the mask differently.

But the mask does indeed offer some protection to the wearer:

Wear Masks To Protect Yourself From The Coronavirus, Not Only Others, CDC Stresses

 

[expos4ever]

Then we have people dying from being hit by cars who are recorded as "covid deaths".....

I suspect this a falsehood, at least in the sense that counts.

I challenge anyone to back up this statement with evidence. And, no, one single case where a clerical error resulted in a car accident death being recorded as a covid death does not count.

 

[expos4ever]

Here in Canada, our problems with the pandemic had been overshadowed by the much worse situation in the USA. You had higher rates, and I believe even a higher death rate. You had Trump, and his followers, acting irresponsibly. And I believe you had a higher rate of rank stupidity in terms of vaccine conspiracy thinking and "all-that-matters-is-my-rights" thinking.

And yet, for the first time, the situation in Canada is right now worse than in the US. Why? I suspect it is due to your much better vaccine roll-out - you guys have vaccinated a much larger fraction of your population than we have (for reasons I won't get into). Of course, another factor may be that a higher fraction of your population has been sick and so are now immune through "natural" means.

In any event, my point is this: despite the trifecta of incorrect thinking, falsehoods, and focus on "my rights" - all three on display in this thread - it appears, for now at least, that you are doing relatively well.

Thank God that while so many of you were doing your best to commit collective suicide, American ingenuity and technology were silently at work, developing effective vaccines (here, I simply assume that American science / technology was substantially responsible for the mRNA technology behind Pfizer and Moderna).

My hat (and it is most certainly not a red ball cap) is off to all those American scientists - as well as all the health care professionals who suffered while so many Americans were in denial.

 

[Isilwen]

health care professionals who suffered while so many Americans were in denial.

Thank you for this!

The reason why I get so easily frustrated in these conversations with those who are in denial as you say is because I am an emergency medical technician. I can no longer count the number of dead that I transported due to covid or the number of sick due to covid at this point. It frustrates me because I have seen the virus and what it does. I have seen it at varying degrees. I have seen its end game.

Yet, people are too wrapped up in their denial, their rights, to care about anyone else. They claim their rights to not wear a mask override the right for so.eone else to live. They claim that if someone is scares, then they should just stay home. It is all about "me" and not about others.

Maybe I'm just too close to this. I don't know.

Thank you again for recognizing us healthcare providers!

 

[expos4ever]

Thank you again for recognizing us healthcare providers!

A very close friend of mine works as a nurse in a covid ward - she is a tough person, but the excess shifts are beginning to take a toll.

 

[pescador]

99% of the people will be staying alive regardless of modern medical research. And that number consists of people who were hit by a car and tested positive for having covid but not dying from it. Then ofcourse the flu disappeared, so I wonder where thos numbers dissolved into?

99% of the people will not be one of them (regardless)

Why should anyone believe you?? You can be in denial all you want but it may cost you your life. I have received both my vaccination shots and wear at least one mask, sometimes two, every time I leave my house. I have no intention of having my ventilator removed by hospital staff so I can say a final goodbye to my loved ones via cell phone.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I suspect this a falsehood, at least in the sense that counts.

I challenge anyone to back up this statement with evidence. And, no, one single case where a clerical error resulted in a car accident death being recorded as a covid death does not count.

IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified

Well, so much for stepping out of these kinds of threads

From here...

The Difficulty Of Counting the COVID-19 Pandemic’s Full Death Toll

How To Count Coronavirus Deaths
In the U.S., COVID-19 is a “notifiable disease”—doctors, coroners, hospitals and nursing homes must report when encountering someone who tests positive for the infection, and when a person who is known to have the virus dies. That provides a nearly real-time surveillance system for health officials to gauge where and to what extent outbreaks are happening. But it’s a system designed for speed over accuracy; it will invariably include deaths not caused by the virus as well as miss deaths that were.

For example, a person diagnosed with COVID-19 who dies in a car accident could be included in the data. But someone with COVID-19 who dies at home might be missed if they were never tested. Nonetheless, the numbers are close enough to serve as an early warning system.

Not a car here but a motorcycle which was later removed from the list (as update to story is noted)

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Medical examiner explains how COVID-19 death is determined

Two days after a FOX 35 investigation, health officials confirm that a motorcycle death that was initially counted among COVID-19 fatalities has been removed from the state's data.

If you hate Fox same story here

Florida man killed in crash listed as COVID-19 death, raising doubts over health data

They (ofcourse minimize it) as just a one time thing

And here (video of statement also)

Dying with COVID and dying from COVID are same thing in Oregon | kgw.com

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.

She reiterated Illinois health officials will continue to work vigorously to protect the state's most vulnerable populations.

How many do you want?

Man died of Blood alcohol poisoning listed as COVID here

New COVID-19 Death Dispute: Colorado Coroner Says State Mischaracterized Death

“It was almost double what the minimum lethal amount was in the state”, said Deavers, during an interview with CBS4.

But Deavers said that before he even signed the death certificate, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment had already categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19 and it was tabulated that way on the state’s website.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

All I can say is "Thou shalt not bear false witness".

Back at you

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Yes, 2 % is a small percentage. Let's say that without interventions of any kind, 50% of the US population would ultimately contract Covid-19 (a conservative estimate, I believe). Now suppose only 1% die.

You are saying yes to 2% when I stated 1%

I would be more likely to understand such a reason if they were trying to minimize a percentage that was far greater then 1%

Then you go off into another trail and says,

It appears you wish to be willing to sacrifice 1.65 million people to protect the health of the economy.

Is this what you are saying? If not, exactly what are you saying?

You want me to dignify that ofcourse

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Why should anyone believe you?? You can be in denial all you want but it may cost you your life. I have received both my vaccination shots and wear at least one mask, sometimes two, every time I leave my house. I have no intention of having my ventilator removed by hospital staff so I can say a final goodbye to my loved ones via cell phone.

If you are in the high risk category and you feel your fear of dying is both justified and too much for you and desire this vaccine to calm your fears and you put your full trust in this vaccine I would say go for it.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Thank you for this!

The reason why I get so easily frustrated in these conversations with those who are in denial as you say is because I am an emergency medical technician. I can no longer count the number of dead that I transported due to covid or the number of sick due to covid at this point. It frustrates me because I have seen the virus and what it does. I have seen it at varying degrees. I have seen its end game.

Yet, people are too wrapped up in their denial, their rights, to care about anyone else. They claim their rights to not wear a mask override the right for so.eone else to live. They claim that if someone is scares, then they should just stay home. It is all about "me" and not about others.

Maybe I'm just too close to this. I don't know.

Thank you again for recognizing us healthcare providers!

Which state may I ask?

 

[expos4ever]

How To Count Coronavirus Deaths
In the U.S., COVID-19 is a “notifiable disease”—doctors, coroners, hospitals and nursing homes must report when encountering someone who tests positive for the infection, and when a person who is known to have the virus dies. That provides a nearly real-time surveillance system for health officials to gauge where and to what extent outbreaks are happening. But it’s a system designed for speed over accuracy; it will invariably include deaths not caused by the virus as well as miss deaths that were.

For example, a person diagnosed with COVID-19 who dies in a car accident could be included in the data. But someone with COVID-19 who dies at home might be missed if they were never tested. Nonetheless, the numbers are close enough to serve as an early warning system.

All this does is raise the possibility of some errors.

I concede that I was being less than charitable in characterizing what you posted as a "falsehood", and for that I apologize - I inferred (with no real evidence from your post) that you were saying that anytime someone with covid died in a car accident, it was recorded as a Covid death. Here is what you posted:

"Then we have people dying from being hit by cars who are recorded as "covid deaths".

I can believe that this happens infrequently, but only infrequently. I see no evidence in your recent post for any kind of systemic misrepresentation when it comes to the attribution of a cause of death.

In fact, here is a quote from this same Dr. Ezike you cite in your post:

Ezike said that the state is being careful to make sure to weed out deaths where the patient had COVID-19, but died in a manner completely detached from the virus, such as gunshot wounds or motor vehicle crashes.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

People do not think of how small a percentage a thing is when whipping out what they believe are huge numbers in relation to the whole.

It was not misleading at all, 2 weeks to flatten the curve was observed, we gave them a inch and they took a mile, and it turned out to be an entire year watching them destroy businesses and the economy while we had priviledge of watchingg all the empty hospitals videos showing empty waiting rooms, parking lots, and nurses and doctors demonstrating their twerking abilities for us.

Do you work in a hospital with a Covid ward like I do?

 

[Isilwen]

Which state may I ask?

Florida

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Florida

Which area? Or hospital? Can you say?

 

[Isilwen]

Which area? Or hospital? Can you say?

I'm not in a hospital. I work for a private transport company that does body removals, and facility/home transfers to hospitals and doctors offices.

I am an EMT on one of their ambulances. My partner is a driver.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I am not sure what planet you're on, since it's not the one I live on: Earth.

562,000+ Americans have died so far from COVID-19. There are no "empty hospitals videos showing empty waiting rooms, parking lots, and nurses and doctors demonstrating their twerking abilities for us", there are people dying en masse from the worst health crisis in a century in overloaded hospitals with staff working themselves to exhaustion. The funeral parlors are stretched beyond capacity, with refrigerated trucks handling the overflow.

I wanted to adress this one. Youtube deletes and censors those videos but I alsso can't type out the name of another video uploading platform or even provide links to it here (whether that is just a gliche or on purpose) or simply because within its name is a suposed slang expression for a female dog) when the actual name is BIT and the other word is CHUTE, but either way its convenient.

There were so many I couldn't possibly post them being uploaded daily across the U.S to show people who were paying attention to them. Other people got involved (had to find out if they were lying) and and then it became a hashtag. I was combing for them daily (as an outsider to that platform) and at the time I was just putting them into my favorites to show my husband when he got home. Sometimes they lasted until he got home and other times they were deleted as sccounts became suspended there.

But you can at least check (for now) the few compilation videos of some of these videos taken then. I just happened to watch for them specifically at the time.

The link to this platform is censored here and so are any of the videos that contain its name so its something you will have to look for manually and with what left of what was compiled.

P.S Feel free to look up the video "Twerking in the ER" there also (which is making fun of the various dancing videos in the hospitals at the time) which is a short compilation and "Hospitals empty, nothing to do but dance" you have to be specific with keywords there (unlike Youtube) run covid ward hospital dance, dance with dead covid patient, lockdown dancing, Er dancers, Dancing nurses, healthcare dancers, medical staff makes tik tok dance videos, Tik Tok doctors and nurses dancing, Dancing for doctors, Dancing nurses are tone deaf, sick of dancing, Patient films dance with mops (this one is UK) but it was everywhere etc. I wanted to come back and give some examples of videos to look at, they are harder to find there (as opposed to Youtube but they were censored).

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I'm not in a hospital. I work for a private transport company that does body removals, and facility/home transfers to hospitals and doctors offices.

I am an EMT on one of their ambulances. My partner is a driver.

Okay, so you are not in a hospital but locally transport bodies, but do not work for a funeral home that can typically do that. Are you (as private transport) informed of the cause of death of each person who has died and you are transporting?

 

[Isilwen]

Okay, so you are not in a hospital but locally transport bodies, but do not work for a funeral home that can typically do that. Are you (as private transport) informed of the cause of death of each person who has died and you are transporting?

We are told ahead of time what the patient died of as in facilities they have a pretty good knowledge of why a person died usually. They have a cause of death before We get there most times, if not, yes, we are informed if the patient had Covid or not as that is exposure to us. There are a few that we never find out, but that is good because that means it wasn't Covid.

We have a contract with several funeral homes to do the body removals for them.

We do alot of transports in our thirteen hour shifts.