The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

[Neostarwcc]

I'm getting a little sick of hearing about this but yeah, the covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark that you receive on your right HAND or FOREHEAD. My wife and I both got our COVID vaccinations this morning and we were both injected in the ARM. Not to mention, participation in getting our vaccines was COMPLETELY voluntary. If you refuse to take the mark of the beast, the government will KILL you. Plus the covid vaccine is in the ARM not the hand or forehead.

Another thing I noticed. Before the nurse injected both of us she asked which arms we wanted to get injected into. So we could even chose what side of our body we could be injected into. Umm... last I checked the mark of the beast is not voluntary. They do not say "do you want it on your left hand or your right?" They just stick the mark in.

And the biggest clincher for me? God promised to protect his people from the coming tribulation. So even if the covid vaccine IS the mark of the beast... God willingly allowed me, one of his children to get injected.

Last I checked God never and could never go back on his promises. But everybody just acts like God doesn't even exist.

Don't be stupid. Do your part in eliminating this epidemic, get vaccinated if you can. And even when you're vaccinated still wear a mask. The vaccinations don't turn you into superman.. When we are smart during this epidemic we can lower the global death toll. But if we're not even going to read scripture and just automatically assume the two solutions to this global epidemic is evil and cursed and from Satan.... we're going to see another black death.... literally.

 

[anna ~ grace]

No, it’s not. But some do worry that the extreme measures and limitations on worship in response to the virus, as well as the *way* that the media has been presenting both the virus and the vaccine to the world could be a foreshadowing of future methods to control, convince, herd, and frighten people.

 

[pescador]

No, it’s not. But some do worry that the extreme measures and limitations on worship in response to the virus, as well as the *way* that the media has been presenting both the virus and the vaccine to the world could be a foreshadowing of future methods to control, convince, herd, and frighten people.

Are you joking? There is no reason at all to fear "the media". That is nothing more than propaganda left over from the ex-president.

 

[SAAN]

Its not the mark, but its disturbing how folks are acting about it. Posting pictures of their name and date of birth on a covid card smiling that they just received the vaccine. Never before have we posted pictures of ourselves at the dentist, urologist, gyno or taking a physical, but folks are gladly showing themself taking a pic of getting a vaccine.

I can only imagine when the Mark of the Beast does hit the scenes, you will have people taking pictures of getting the mark and calling others foolish for not taking it and trying to shame them that they are irresponsible for not making sure they can buy and sell for not taking it and caring about society.

THis covid-19, I think, is a minor glimpse of how mankind is going to be when the actual mark gets here.

 

[The Liturgist]

No, it’s not. But some do worry that the extreme measures and limitations on worship in response to the virus, as well as the *way* that the media has been presenting both the virus and the vaccine to the world could be a foreshadowing of future methods to control, convince, herd, and frighten people.

Indeed; the restrictions on worship we saw last year were unconscionable and I believe, as does the supreme court, unconstitutional, and I am proud to know several clergy in different denominations who defied them. Unfortunately many countries still suffer from prohibitions on worship, but in the US at least, the Supreme Court has required a certain level of worship be permitted.

 

[pescador]

Its not the mark, but its disturbing how folks are acting about it. Posting pictures of their name and date of birth on a covid card smiling that they just received the vaccine. Never before have we posted pictures of ourselves at the dentist, urologist, gyno or taking a physical, but folks are gladly showing themself taking a pic of getting a vaccine.

I can only imagine when the Mark of the Beast does hit the scenes, you will have people taking pictures of getting the mark and calling others foolish for not taking it and trying to shame them that they are irresponsible for not making sure they can buy and sell for not taking it and caring about society.

THis covid-19, I think, is a minor glimpse of how mankind is going to be when the actual mark gets here.

If you're serious... can you spell paranoia?

 

[pescador]

Indeed; the restrictions on worship we saw last year were unconscionable and I believe, as does the supreme court, unconstitutional, and I am proud to know several clergy in different denominations who defied them. Unfortunately many countries still suffer from prohibitions on worship, but in the US at least, the Supreme Court has required a certain level of worship be permitted.

A church is almost always a large building where people gather together. It's a perfect place for COVID-19 to spread. There is no restriction on religion involved, only a loss of sanity.

 

[expos4ever]

Never before have we posted pictures of ourselves at the dentist, urologist, gyno or taking a physical, but folks are gladly showing themself taking a pic of getting a vaccine.

The reason why people post such pictures is that they are rightly proud of doing their part to stem a global pandemic. As such, it is a highly unusual situation - going to the dentist, or the urologist, or the gyno, is not.

 

[BobRyan]

No, it’s not. But some do worry that the extreme measures and limitations on worship in response to the virus, as well as the *way* that the media has been presenting both the virus and the vaccine to the world could be a foreshadowing of future methods to control, convince, herd, and frighten people.

Good point. It is not he mark of the beast but it does use government control over church gathering tactics that are indicative of more to come.

And the idea that science shows that churches are super spreaders while BLM jammed-together riots for all of 2020 are not and while COVID-19 incubator - warehoused minors in cramped spaces at the border are not - is the kind of nonsense we expect from left-fringe media these days.

 

[expos4ever]

Indeed; the restrictions on worship we saw last year were unconscionable...

Huh? Are you really serious?

You appear to be deliberately screening out all aspects of this situation except one: your right to worship. This is the same strategy that some pro-choice people use: they frame the abortion issue as if the only thing that matters is a woman's right to self-determination. Obviously, there are other dimensions to this issue, not least the question of the status of the fetus as a possible "person".

You are doing the same thing: completely ignoring what is obvious as could be: when people congregate, people die.

 

[expos4ever]

And the idea that science shows that churches are super spreaders while BLM jammed-together riots for all of 2020 are not...

I think you made this up.

But, prithee, prove me wrong - show me how "science" ever claimed that "BLM jammed-together riots" are not super-spreader events.

Good luck.

 

[BobRyan]

I think you made this up.

But, prithee, prove me wrong - show me how "science" ever claimed that "BLM jammed-together riots" are not super-spreader events.

Good luck.

hmm .. ten seconds later..


Black Lives Matter Protests Didn’t Contribute to the COVID-19 Surge

Yes but "what if it is a BLM style riot that is NOT BLM!! (so then it does not have all the car burning and building burning and looting and ...) So then is it STILL not a super spreader?"

Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader event, experts say

 

[Neostarwcc]

No, it’s not. But some do worry that the extreme measures and limitations on worship in response to the virus, as well as the *way* that the media has been presenting both the virus and the vaccine to the world could be a foreshadowing of future methods to control, convince, herd, and frighten people.

I know its been all over CF and Facebook which is why I felt inclined to post my own thread about it. People are saying that masks don't work either and are a ploy from the world Government to control us. When, they do in fact work. My mother was a nurse for over 40 years, and worked in the ICU and everything so if anyone knows about epidemics like this and how to prevent the spread of it, its her. Masks worked at preventing her from catching a variety of diseases over the years.

I've also personally seen them work. I was in the hospital about six months ago for surgery. Everyone on the surgery ward had covid-19 (Nurses, Patients, everything it was a massive outbreak of covid) and the hospital didn't discover it until days later after I left but, when they did they called me to check if I had any COVID symptoms. I did but, it ended up being Pneumonia when doctors further investigation.

I didn't catch Covid from the nurses because I was wearing a mask and was at a decent distance from everyone in my own room. I did however, catch the Pneumonia from the Dentist's office because I was not allowed and encouraged not to wear a mask there ><. So, the mask does work at helping COVID from spreading. Now whether or not the vaccination actually works or not is another story, my mother is a little skeptical on it herself and wants to wait to get her vaccination until they perfect it a bit more. My wife and I were just guinea pigs lol. But, when the doctors say the success rate is 94% I believe them. And when my only side effect right now is Nausea, and my wife has some pain in her arm... I'd say they pretty much perfected the vaccination *shrug*


But yeah, no Government conspiracy. Just millions of people have died from this epidemic and the world is doing their best to try to stop it.

 

[expos4ever]

hmm .. ten seconds later..


Black Lives Matter Protests Didn’t Contribute to the COVID-19 Surge

Yes but "what if it is a BLM style riot that is NOT BLM!! (so then it does not have all the car burning and building burning and looting and ...) So then is it STILL not a super spreader?"

Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader event, experts say

And 5 seconds later:

The reasons for the lack of transmission likely have to do with the protesters being outside in the wind and sun and most of them wearing masks.

Let me revise my accusation: you deliberately ignored a key distinction between the BLM protests and church gatherings - the outside vs inside distinction.

You clearly misrepresented what "science" has to say on this issue - your initial post implied, as strongly as one can imply anything, that "science" was exhibiting bias in treating the BLM riots differently than the church meetings.

There is no evidence of any such bias.

 

[expos4ever]

Yes but "what if it is a BLM style riot that is NOT BLM!! (so then it does not have all the car burning and building burning and looting and ...) So then is it STILL not a super spreader?"

Capitol Hill riot could prove to be COVID-19 superspreader event, experts say

Let's recap:

1. You started by asserting that "science" is somehow biased against churches, but in favour of BLM protestors.

2. The very link you posted explains why there is no grounds to your claim: the situations are not analogous - churches meet inside, BLM riots are outside. This could explain the result that there were few, if any cases, of transmission at the BLM riot.

3. Then you argue for this "anti-right" bias by posting an article that claims that the Jan 6 riot could be a superspreader event.

So what? The fact that the BLM riots did not, in fact, lead to more deaths does not invalidate the concern that the Jan 6 riots would. Where, exactly is the bias?

If "science", or anyone else, for that matter treated the same facts differently, when all other relevant variables have been controlled out of the analysis, then you might have a case.

 

[expos4ever]

Let me clarify: it would not surprise me if some elements of the media demonstrated bias against "right-wing" people. But I would be stunned if representatives of the scientific establishment demonstrate such bias.

 

[anna ~ grace]

I know its been all over CF and Facebook which is why I felt inclined to post my own thread about it. People are saying that masks don't work either and are a ploy from the world Government to control us. When, they do in fact work. My mother was a nurse for over 40 years, and worked in the ICU and everything so if anyone knows about epidemics like this and how to prevent the spread of it, its her. Masks worked at preventing her from catching a variety of diseases over the years.

I've also personally seen them work. I was in the hospital about six months ago for surgery. Everyone on the surgery ward had covid-19 (Nurses, Patients, everything it was a massive outbreak of covid) and the hospital didn't discover it until days later after I left but, when they did they called me to check if I had any COVID symptoms. I did but, it ended up being Pneumonia when doctors further investigation.

I didn't catch Covid from the nurses because I was wearing a mask and was at a decent distance from everyone in my own room. I did however, catch the Pneumonia from the Dentist's office because I was not allowed and encouraged not to wear a mask there ><. So, the mask does work at helping COVID from spreading. Now whether or not the vaccination actually works or not is another story, my mother is a little skeptical on it herself and wants to wait to get her vaccination until they perfect it a bit more. My wife and I were just guinea pigs lol. But, when the doctors say the success rate is 94% I believe them. And when my only side effect right now is Nausea, and my wife has some pain in her arm... I'd say they pretty much perfected the vaccination *shrug*


But yeah, no Government conspiracy. Just millions of people have died from this epidemic and the world is doing their best to try to stop it.

I’m not against masks. I get the idea behind masks, they’re a good idea, and they likely work in some if not many / most situations. I hear you.

But a lot about how this has played out seems off. Churches are terribly dangerous and need to stay closed. But Walmarts, Black Lives Matter protests, and Capitol Hill occupations are ok and are wonderfully, mysteriously safe.

 

[BobRyan]

Let's recap:

1. You started by asserting that "science" is somehow biased against churches, but in favour of BLM protestors. .

Science??? I don't think I started off saying that "science" itself had done anything at all. I said that those who claim that science shows churches to be superspreaders are not being completely forthright (so to speak).

I don't think actual "science" plays any sort of politics at all.

My interest in this thread is in respect to the "controls" being invented in 2020 and 2021 where necessary justification is easily "assumed" - for all the first amendment breach one cares to implement.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This means that "yes but the CDC made us afraid so we did it anyway" is hard to justify given that they were at the same time "not afraid" to have BLM riots, or illegal border crossing and jammed up facilities with no vaccine and no testing -- but then to release them wholesale into the interior states. Something fishy there and it ran right over the first amendment all the while.

freedom of religion is a big deal in America and it is coming under scrutiny as if it were some sort of mistake.

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm getting a little sick of hearing about this but yeah, the covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

You're right; it isn't.

For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark that you receive on your right HAND or FOREHEAD. My wife and I both got our COVID vaccinations this morning and we were both injected in the ARM. Not to mention, participation in getting our vaccines was COMPLETELY voluntary. If you refuse to take the mark of the beast, the government will KILL you.

Yes.
And it seems to me that a lot of people don't even read Revelation 13.
It says here that a beast will come, from the sea, blaspheming against God. Everyone on earth would worship this beast, and the dragon that gave it authority, except those whose names were written in the book of life and who belonged to the Lamb.
Then a second beast will come, force people to worship the first beast, order an image to be made of the first beast and everyone to worship that, and kill anyone who doesn't. It will then force everyone to have a mark, which is the name of the beast, on their hands or foreheads.

It sounds like anyone who refuses to worship the first beast who blasphemes against God, (and we are told that those whose names are written in the book of life will refuse to do this), will be killed. So there may not be any Christians around to have the mark forced upon them.

As you correctly say, this vaccine is not forced on anyone; it is voluntary.

 

[expos4ever]

This whole argument about how religious freedom is under attack by the Covid restrictions seems to be to be entirely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

One would, frankly, need to have a reasoning deficit to not understand that while religious freedom is an issue in the matter we are discussing, it is not the only issue.

Need I state the punishingly obvious - public health is also a consideration.

The only way you can make a case for a threat to your religious freedom is to show that restrictions are being applied more vigorously in "religious" settings than in non-religious ones.

And I see no such evidence in this thread.