The Book of Enoch

[SuperCow]

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. 2 And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamored of them, saying to each other, 'Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.' ... And they 3 became pregnant, and they bore great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind.

The angels do not have the same nature as humans. (See the Cherubim and Seraphim) We have all seen the physical evidence of Enoch's account. They are called dinosaurs today.

The Nephilim are NOT dinosaurs. This is clear from the description in Genesis 6:4:

"...They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

There's no way a person of any age would describe dinosaurs this way. They would most likely describe them like Genesis 1:21 where in the American Standard Version it translates it as:

"And God created the great sea-monsters..."

And furthermore, they probably wouldn't even be compared to men if the standard meaning of "3000 ells" is accurate. That would make the creatures about a mile in height. However, I think if Enoch is to be in any way compared to scripture one has to contend with this being a mistranslation or meaning of some sort.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

The Nephilim are NOT dinosaurs ...

Is there a question in there somewhere ... ?

 

[Torah Keeper]

I am of the opinion that the nephilim were made by genetic engineering. The fallen angels could not procreate on their own, so they used genetic engineering to produce non-human offspring.

The description of nephilim in Hebrew suggests they were eternal. Olam beings. Quite different from mankind. These nephilim were not might men of old. A more accurate translation would be "supernatural eternal beings".

I suspect Noah and his family were the last pure humans. All others had been genetically altered and were no longer in the image of Elohim.

This seems to have happened again after the flood. And I suspect it is why certain tribes and cities were completely burned, including all animals.

I think the NWO is not a revived Roman empire, but a revived nephilim empire.

As in the days of Noah....

 

[Acts29]

The Nephilim are NOT dinosaurs. This is clear from the description in Genesis 6:4:

"...They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

There's no way a person of any age would describe dinosaurs this way. They would most likely describe them like Genesis 1:21 where in the American Standard Version it translates it as:

"And God created the great sea-monsters..."

And furthermore, they probably wouldn't even be compared to men if the standard meaning of "3000 ells" is accurate. That would make the creatures about a mile in height. However, I think if Enoch is to be in any way compared to scripture one has to contend with this being a mistranslation or meaning of some sort.

Jubilees 5:2. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, men and cattle alike, and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth -all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men (was) thus evil continually.

Enoch 7:5 ... And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.

The angel's corruption with woman was only the beginning. They and their offspring sinned with animals also. Thus dinosaurs.

 

[Acts29]

Horrendous overwhelming thought, with only 10% we are plagued, overpowered, possessed, obsessed, and beguiled by demons.... And 90% are waiting in the wings to be let loose on the final stage of history. What wickedness and overwhelming evil is soon to over run the earth and all in it with overwhelming multi-directional attacks on all aspects from thoughts to actions. Our only hope is in Yeshua

Absolutely! When the abyss is opened in Revelation, I think they will find that the text is not as "symbolic" as they thought.

 

[Acts29]

I am of the opinion that the nephilim were made by genetic engineering. The fallen angels could not procreate on their own, so they used genetic engineering to produce non-human offspring.

The description of nephilim in Hebrew suggests they were eternal. Olam beings. Quite different from mankind. These nephilim were not might men of old. A more accurate translation would be "supernatural eternal beings".

I suspect Noah and his family were the last pure humans. All others had been genetically altered and were no longer in the image of Elohim.

This seems to have happened again after the flood. And I suspect it is why certain tribes and cities were completely burned, including all animals.

That is an interesting observation. Thanks!

Jubilees 5:2. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, men and cattle alike, and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth -all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men (was) thus evil continually.

Your observation seems to be right on track. If the Canaanites had begun corrupting themselves with animals, then their total destruction makes a lot more sense. Good eye!

 

[SuperCow]

Jubilees 5:2. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, men and cattle alike, and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth -all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men (was) thus evil continually.

Enoch 7:5 ... And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.

The angel's corruption with woman was only the beginning. They and their offspring sinned with animals also. Thus dinosaurs.

The corrupting of the animals is separate from the genetic corrupting of man to create the Nephilim. You could make a case for Enoch/Jubilees referring to dinosaurs in the corrupting of animals, but that is a separate argument. (Though as an old-earth creationist I do not prescribe to that theory either)

I am of the opinion that the nephilim were made by genetic engineering. The fallen angels could not procreate on their own, so they used genetic engineering to produce non-human offspring.

The description of nephilim in Hebrew suggests they were eternal. Olam beings. Quite different from mankind. These nephilim were not might men of old. A more accurate translation would be "supernatural eternal beings".

That's an interesting theory that fits with Genesis, though if you believe Enoch should be scripture then that book is much more explicit in the nature of the relations with the women which implies a physical relationship. (Possibly combined with some genetic engineering, which the latter verses in Enoch seem to say was taught to humans.)

I suspect Noah and his family were the last pure humans. All others had been genetically altered and were no longer in the image of Elohim.

This seems to have happened again after the flood. And I suspect it is why certain tribes and cities were completely burned, including all animals.

I think the NWO is not a revived Roman empire, but a revived nephilim empire.

As in the days of Noah....

They didn't have to all be impure humans, but they were all either wicked or apathetic to Noah's preaching.

 

[visionary]

Enoch 19:1-3a – And Uriel said to me, “Here stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here they shall stand,) till the great day of judgment in 2which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And of the women also of the angels who 3went astray shall become sirens.” And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the end of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.

The fallen Watchers mated with women, producing the Nephilim. They also mated with other animals to produce, in all likelihood, several, if not most, of the mythological hybrids.

“…they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish…” Enoch 7:5b.

As it was in the days of Noah... could this be what we are seeing today....

“One way would be to use chimera embryos to create better animal models to study how human diseases happen and how they progress. Perhaps the boldest hope is to create farm animals that have human organs that could be transplanted into terminally ill patients.” In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Embryos That Are Both Animal and Human | Bioethics.com

Let’s walk through that again. They want to make part human, part animal embryos, call them “better animal models” ...

 

[timothyu]

As it was in the days of Noah... could this be what we are seeing today....

Building Back Better

“The mind-boggling innovations triggered by the fourth industrial revolution, from biotechnology to AI, are redefining what it means to be human,”

* “The future will challenge our understanding of what it means to be human, from both a biological and a social standpoint”. (35)

* “Already, advances in neurotechnologies and biotechnologies are forcing us to question what it means to be human”.

** “Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies will not stop at becoming part of the physical world around us—they will become part of us. Indeed, some of us already feel that our smartphones have become an extension of ourselves. Today’s external devices—from wearable computers to virtual reality headsets—will almost certainly become implantable in our bodies and brains. Exoskeletons and prosthetics will increase our physical power, while advances in neurotechnology enhance our cognitive abilities. We will become better able to manipulate our own genes, and those of our children. These developments raise profound questions: Where do we draw the line between human and machine? What does it mean to be human?”

* “the ability of new technologies to literally become part of us” “curious mixes of digital-and-analog life that will redefine our very natures”

* “These technologies will operate within our own biology and change how we interface with the world. They are capable of crossing the boundaries of body and mind, enhancing our physical abilities, and even having a lasting impact on life itself “.

* “active implantable microchips that break the skin barrier of our bodies”, “smart tattoos”, “biological computing” and “custom-designed organisms”

* “sensors, memory switches and circuits can be encoded in common human gut bacteria”, “Smart Dust, arrays of full computers with antennas, each much smaller than a grain of sand, can now organize themselves inside the body”, “implanted devices will likely also help to communicate thoughts normally expressed verbally through a ‘built-in’ smartphone, and potentially unexpressed thoughts or moods by reading brain waves and other signals”

* “Synthetic biology” “the ability to customize organisms by writing DNA”.

* “That it is now far easier to manipulate with precision the human genome within viable embryos means that we are likely to see the advent of designer babies in the future who possess particular traits or who are resistant to a specific disease”

Klaus Schwab... co-founder of the WEF

 

[Torah Keeper]

If they are telling the public about it now, it has been happening in secret for years.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

If they are telling the public about it now, it has been happening in secret for years.

"... deeds done in darkness ..."

Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel far from יהוה, and their works are in the dark; they say, “Who sees us?” and, “Who knows us?” How perverse of you! Should the potter be reckoned as the clay? Should what is made say of its Maker, “He did not make me”? And what is formed say of Him who formed it, “He did not understand”?

 

[Ligurian]

That fallacious claim is made because those were the oldest copies, (I'll say it again) copies that we have found. The same could be falsely claimed for the rest of the TaNaK.

Many ancient books have been lost altogether, except fragments quoted here and there. But, if it's true that the Revelation runs hand-in-hand with Enoch (Jesus' words will never pass away) then Enoch has been given the strongest stamp of approval... along with i.e., Daniel and Isaiah and Deuteronomy... which Jesus quotes and thereby makes eternal with Him.

 

[HARK!]

The book of Enoch is not in harmony with the rest of Scripture. Here are some examples:

a. The story of angels having sex with women contradicts Jesus’ saying in Matthew 22:30: “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven” (Mat 22:30 NKJV). This means angels are not sexual beings.

(CLV) Mt 22:29
Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God.

Scripture? What scripture might that be? I challenge you to search the Pharisee Canon to show me where this can be found in scripture.

(CLV) Mt 22:30
For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven.

1 Enoch 15:5-7:

5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Zacharey Bauer presents a series on the Book of Enoch. This is part 1. I'll be providing a review of the entire series.

Matthew Maurey discovered ocean currents; but what prompted him to search was Psalms 8:8.

This fact is used by some to demonstrate inspiration of the Bible.

The Book of Enoch similarly presents an example of inspiration.

Enoch 3:1

Observe and see how (in the winter) all the trees seem as though they had withered and shed all their leaves, except fourteen trees, which do not lose their foliage but retain the old foliage from two to three years till the new comes.

Science today confirms this.

Evergreen families
Family name Example
Araucariaceae Kauri
Cupressaceae Sequoia
Pinaceae Pine
Podocarpaceae Real yellowwood
Taxaceae Yew
Cyatheaceae Australian tree fern
Aquifoliaceae Holly
Fagaceae Live oak
Oleaceae Shamel ash
Myrtaceae Eucalyptus
Arecaceae Coconut
Lauraceae Bay
Magnoliaceae Southern magnolia
Cycadaceae Queen sago

Evergreen - Wikipedia

Enoch is the most quoted, or eluded to, book in the Bible; but it's not in the Bible. Enoch is quoted, or eluded to in the B'rit Chadasha over 100 times.

Psalms is quoted 68 times in the Bible.

So what is the objection to this book. It is purported that it is because it speaks heavily of the Angels who sinned.

(CLV) Ju 1:6
Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day.

(CLV) 2Pt 2:4
For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging;

Who's offspring were giants.

(CLV) Am 2:9
Yet I exterminated the Amorite before you, Whose loftiness was like the loftiness of the cedars, And safeguarded was he as the oaks. I exterminated his fruit from above, And his roots from beneath.

This is the introduction to this series:

I read the books of Enoch and rejected them as pseudo-Enoch(based on real memories but not the actual Book written by Enoch).

My rejection was mostly due to the last chapter which described what I thought was a contradictory prophecy of Christ. And because writing with pen and ink is somehow a sin according to the author of Enoch.

However I do find the mention of 14 kinds of evergreen trees to be interesting. Either the writer of Enoch knew a lot about trees or this was common knowledge in ancient times. People knew things that modern man forgot.

I think it is very possible a legitimate Book of Enoch existed. But what we have is probably a pseudo version based on memories, legends, and folklore.

There are other Books missing from the Bible which Yeshua may have quoted from. The Book of Iddo, The Book of the Wars of Yahweh, the Book of Baruch, just to name a few.

And I think a huge amount of Books are missing from the NT. It seems like a storybook with 10 chapters, and chapters 5-9 are missing.

 

[timothyu]

And I think a huge amount of Books are missing from the NT. It seems like a storybook with 10 chapters, and chapters 5-9 are missing.

Controlling the narrative by a gentile institution seeking power and recognition?

 

[Torah Keeper]

I think it is very possible lost Books will be discovered and these will answer our questions. I hope to see a lot more excavations in Israel.

Perhaps the book of Enoch we have is just corrupted or very sloppily translated. I've seen some Bible translations that are appalling. (Clear Word, 1st edition NIV, JW)

 

[HARK!]

I read the books of Enoch and rejected them as pseudo-Enoch(based on real memories but not the actual Book written by Enoch).

My rejection was mostly due to the last chapter which described what I thought was a contradictory prophecy of Christ. And because writing with pen and ink is somehow a sin according to the author of Enoch.

However I do find the mention of 14 kinds of evergreen trees to be interesting. Either the writer of Enoch knew a lot about trees or this was common knowledge in ancient times. People knew things that modern man forgot.

I think it is very possible a legitimate Book of Enoch existed. But what we have is probably a pseudo version based on memories, legends, and folklore.

There are other Books missing from the Bible which Yeshua may have quoted from. The Book of Iddo, The Book of the Wars of Yahweh, the Book of Baruch, just to name a few.

And I think a huge amount of Books are missing from the NT. It seems like a storybook with 10 chapters, and chapters 5-9 are missing.

There are three books of Enoch. Enoch 1 was kept by the rightful keepers of scripture at Beharaba. It was quoted by Yahshua himself. Enoch 2 and Enoch 3 don't hold this status. We find that these trees are spread out over the entire earth. Who in Israel, in ~ 3 BC - ! 1 AD, would have knowledge of trees that were scattered over the entire earth?

 

[SuperCow]

If the book of Enoch was originally authored by Enoch, it would be almost impossible for it to have come to us uncorrupted 5000 years later. Consider the differences between the Septuagint and Masoretic translations of the Old Testament. It doesn’t matter which one you feel is more accurate. It shows that things change after a few hundred years.

Now if you take the book of Enoch as it was 2000 years ago (ie. Dead Sea scrolls), then you are still 3000 years after the lifetime of Enoch, which went through a minimum of 3 successive translations at minimum. (One or two preceding Hebrew)

I personally think that the general story of 1 Enoch is relatively accurate, as it correlates well with Genesis 6 and the New Testament letter of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6. 2nd and 3rd Enoch seem like spurious additions, though I’ve been trying to determine if there is any correlation to Revelation, which at this point I have not found.

 

[eleos1954]

(CLV) Mt 22:29
Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God.

Scripture? What scripture might that be? I challenge you to search the Pharisee Canon to show me where this can be found in scripture.

(CLV) Mt 22:30
For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven.

1 Enoch 15:5-7:

5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

You believe the book of Enoch as credible ... fine ... I do not.

There won't be marriage in heaven because there is no need for it to perpetuate the human race.

Where else in His word does it state angels have the ability to reproduce?

 

[HARK!]

Where else in His word does it state angels have the ability to reproduce?

The more appropriate question is, "where else in scripture do we see that the Malakim are not to take wives in shamayim?"