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and I wonder, because when the Church was picking which books to include in canon, for old testament they just accepted what the Jews had made canon, and the Jews established their canon bible after the 1st century, if the Jews had excluded Enoch BECAUSE it is so Christ Centric and equates Christ on the same level as God, this being a book written before Jesus was born, found in the dead sea scrolls.
I've read part of it and I'm still trying to process it, but many of the doctrines that the New Testament screams, but the Old Testament only whispered about, are screamed in I Enoch, such as salvation by grace, the worship of Christ Himself, the separation of the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man as 2 distinct people both worshiped as God, the lake of fire, the new earth, immortality of the elect
But to post first century Judaism those doctrines are anathema, they believe Messiah will be their King but do not believe Messiah is divine. It is whispered in the canon old testament, but shouted in I Enoch.
Now there are problems with the book's descriptions of cosmology, and giants that are miles tall, it uses geographic locations that shouldn't have existed (or at least shouldn't have existed by the names used) pre flood, like Dan, in a similar manner people think the book of Job is the oldest book in canon scripture, believing it to be pre flood, but it uses the Chaldeans, which would have been around the time of Babylonian captivity (I Enoch also mentions the 2 giant monster like beasts that are from Job, Leviathan and Behemoth)
But this book, reads like it'd HAVE to have been written after the new testament, but.. archaeological evidence puts it before the time of Christ.
I really don't know how to parcel it because if it was written before the apostles.. the Apostles seem to reference it, Jude quotes it.
I know it's going to get a lot of flack even posting this thread, but.. reading it, it's just.. a huge flagpole waving just how much it is about Christ., and how much it exalts Christ. Isaiah had a lot about the Messiah and if you really read into it, yeah Messiah is divine.
... But you really have to read into it.
I Enoch.. Messiah's divine and there's not even any way to plausibly deny that He is.
The doctrines in it on Christ are.. so far, consistent with New and Old Testament canon.
But.. cosmology problems and exaggeratedly tall giants.
I've read part of it and I'm still trying to process it, but many of the doctrines that the New Testament screams, but the Old Testament only whispered about, are screamed in I Enoch, such as salvation by grace, the worship of Christ Himself, the separation of the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man as 2 distinct people both worshiped as God, the lake of fire, the new earth, immortality of the elect
But to post first century Judaism those doctrines are anathema, they believe Messiah will be their King but do not believe Messiah is divine. It is whispered in the canon old testament, but shouted in I Enoch.
Now there are problems with the book's descriptions of cosmology, and giants that are miles tall, it uses geographic locations that shouldn't have existed (or at least shouldn't have existed by the names used) pre flood, like Dan, in a similar manner people think the book of Job is the oldest book in canon scripture, believing it to be pre flood, but it uses the Chaldeans, which would have been around the time of Babylonian captivity (I Enoch also mentions the 2 giant monster like beasts that are from Job, Leviathan and Behemoth)
But this book, reads like it'd HAVE to have been written after the new testament, but.. archaeological evidence puts it before the time of Christ.
I really don't know how to parcel it because if it was written before the apostles.. the Apostles seem to reference it, Jude quotes it.
I know it's going to get a lot of flack even posting this thread, but.. reading it, it's just.. a huge flagpole waving just how much it is about Christ., and how much it exalts Christ. Isaiah had a lot about the Messiah and if you really read into it, yeah Messiah is divine.
... But you really have to read into it.
I Enoch.. Messiah's divine and there's not even any way to plausibly deny that He is.
The doctrines in it on Christ are.. so far, consistent with New and Old Testament canon.
But.. cosmology problems and exaggeratedly tall giants.