The Book of Enoch

[Dkh587]

Jude didn't just mention Enoch. Jude quoted Enoch. Where did Jude get the quote?

It doesn’t say where he got it. We can speculate, though.

 

[timothyu]

Him quoting Enoch was in relation to what he was writing about

How?

 

[HARK!]

It doesn’t say where he got it. We can speculate, though.

Well considering that the Book of Enoch provides the only known match; and Jude specifically mentions Enoch; I would call that a match.

When Yahshua and the Apostles quote scripture found in the TaNaK; we can also speculate that they were quoting the TaNaK.

 

[timothyu]

Well considering that the Book of Enoch provides the only known match; and Jude specifically mentions Enoch; I would call that a match.

Yes, And the book was familiar enough, having been around for a while, to be included in the Dead Sea scrolls so it must have had some merit. Whether is was in the canon or not does not negate it as a book of reference which it obviously was.

 

[Dkh587]

How?

Jude was writing about judgement, no?

 

[timothyu]

Jude was writing about judgement, no?

So why relate that to Enoch?

 

[Dkh587]

Well considering that the Book of Enoch provides the only known match; and Jude specifically mentions Enoch; I would call that a match.

When Yahshua and the Apostles quote scripture found in the TaNaK; we can also speculate that they were quoting the TaNaK.

it’s similar, but not a match.

We don’t need to speculate about that, because to Messiah, Scripture was only the Tanach. The Tanach did not have the book of Enoch in it in their days.

 

[Dkh587]

So why relate that to Enoch?

Enoch’s prophecy relates to Jude’s letter.

 

[timothyu]

Enoch’s prophecy relates to Jude’s letter.

Why was that prophecy known?

 

[HARK!]

Yes, And the book was familiar enough, having been around for a while, to be included in the Dead Sea scrolls so it must have had some merit. Whether is was in the canon or not does not negate it as a book of reference which it obviously was.

The Canon? As if there is only one?

 

[timothyu]

As if there is only one?

I am familiar there are many.

 

[Dkh587]

Why was that prophecy known?

It doesn’t say.

 

[HARK!]

it’s similar, but not a match.

Much of what Yahshua and the Apostles quoted was similar, but not an exact match, of what texts that were used to give us our modern translations.

We know that there were variances of the TaNaK in the time of Yahshua. We also know that there were different traditions, and disagreement at that time concerning what books were scripture. When Yahshua was asked a question by a Sadducee; his response was that he wasn't acquainted with scripture. The Sadducees rejected Enoch; however Yahshua went on to provide this Sadducee with information that we can find nowhere but in the Book of Enoch. We know that the Book of Enoch was held with high regard by those at Qumran; and the evidence strongly points to the inhabitants of Qumran to be the rightful Priesthood at that time.

We don’t need to speculate about that, because to Messiah, Scripture was only the Tanach.

Jude calls Enoch a prophet. That would fall under Nevi'im

The Tanach did not have the book of Enoch in it in their days.

Nevi'im is the N in TaNaK.

 

[Dkh587]

The Canon? As if there is only one?

what is your view on what happens after we die? Do you think we are dead and unconscious, or that our souls depart from our body and go to heaven/paradise?

 

[HARK!]

what is your view on what happens after we die? Do you think we are dead and unconscious, or that our souls depart from our body and go to heaven/paradise?

I believe that some sleep; and that some are with Yahshua and the Father.

 

[HARK!]

It doesn’t say where he got it. We can speculate, though.

Where would you speculate that he got it?

 

[eleos1954]

I didn't call the nephilim angels.

all righty then ;o)

some do believe the Nephillim were angels ... angel/human hybrids

The first part of the Book of Enoch describes the fall of the Watchers, the angels who fathered the angel-human hybrids called Nephilim.

 

[HARK!]

all righty then ;o)

some do believe the Nephillim were angels ... angel/human hybrids

The first part of the Book of Enoch describes the fall of the Watchers, the angels who fathered the angel-human hybrids called Nephilim.

Human/angel hybrids wouldn't be angels. They would be human/angel hybrids.

 

[eleos1954]

Human/angel hybrids wouldn't be angels. They would be human/angel hybrids.

I'm not buying the angel/hybrid theory .... besides that book of Enoch does not harmonize with other scripture very well.

 

[visionary]

I'm not buying the angel/hybrid theory .... besides that book of Enoch does not harmonize with other scripture very well.

Sounds like a study into Nephilim would do a lot of good in getting the picture.