The Biblical Anti-Christ.

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Hi Douggg,

`How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! ......you said in your heart; "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars...` (Isa. 14: 12 & 13)

`And the dragon, (one of Satan`s descriptive names) gave him his power, HIS THRONE, and great authority.` (Rev. 13: 2)

Care to address that `throne.`

Marilyn.
Revelation 13:2 , what it means is that Satan will promote the beast over all the demons and fallen angels.

Isaiah 14:12-13, Satan desires to duplicate God's throne and make it his.
 
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Revelation 13:2 , what it means is that Satan will promote the beast over all the demons and fallen angels.
Thus. you agree that the Beast is NOT Satan ...SATAN is the DRAGON WHO WILL GIVE his power to the Beast.

The Beast that the whole world shall wonder whose name were not written in the Book of life is PRECISELY described in Revelation 17:8 ....That is NOT A HUMAN WHO WILL BE POSSESSED BY SATAN ...contrary to what you said in your previous posts.

Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the bottomless pit, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

To be clear, and in response to the OP, Revelation 17:8 is the answer ...
 
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Thus. you agree that the Beast is NOT Satan ...SATAN is the DRAGON WHO WILL GIVE his power to the Beast.

The Beast that the whole world shall wonder whose name were not written in the Book of life is PRECISELY described in Revelation 17:8 ....That is NOT A HUMAN WHO WILL BE POSSESSED BY SATAN ...contrary to what you said in your previous posts.
The beast is not Satan - agreed.

There are two persons in Revelation 17:8. The ancient person who was and is not - and is presently in the bottomless pit.

Then there is the end times person who the world will witness being killed and brought back to life. That person is King #7, which it says...10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The short space is the 42 months.

Satan is not going to be possessing anyone during that 42 months. Satan will be incarnating the image, the statue, of the beast making the statue appear to come alive and speak.

The end times person, a human, will be possessed by the unclean spirit of the ancient person currently the bottomless pit. Since angels don't die, and since men are not identified to be cast into the bottomless pit - the only option it seems to me is that the ancient person was a nephillim, most likely Nimrod, imo, albeit of human decent also exhibited nephilim traits.
 
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Thus ,you agree that God have NEVER GIVEN A THRONE TO SATAN, contrary to what you said earlier...in your previous posts.
Where are you reading that I wrote God gave Satan a throne?
 
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The beast is not Satan - agreed.

There are two persons in Revelation 17:8. The ancient person who was and is not - and is presently in the bottomless pit.

Then there is the end times person who the world will witness being killed and brought back to life. That person is King #7, which it says...10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The short space is the 42 months.

Satan is not going to be possessing anyone during that 42 months. Satan will be incarnating the image, the statue, of the beast making the statue appear to come alive and speak.

The end times person, a human, will be possessed by the unclean spirit of the ancient person currently the bottomless pit. Since angels don't die, and since men are not identified to be cast into the bottomless pit - the only option it seems to me is that the ancient person was a nephillim, most likely Nimrod, imo, albeit of human decent also exhibited nephilim traits.
The SPIRITS of the DEAD nephillim are not locked into the bottomless pit .
NIMROD was a human descendant of one of the 3 sons of Noah.

The only option is that it is ABADDON who is the one that the whole world shall wonder whose names were not written in the book of life Revelation 17:8.... to whom Satan will give his power.

Angel ABBADDON will be active on the EARTH as soon as the Bottomless pit will be opened Revelation 9...which means many months before that Satan will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12 ....that is why it is said that the DRAGON will give him power to continue for 42 months.

ABADDON is the one that will be HIT at the HEAD ...angels are immortal so his wound at the head will heal...
 
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It seem that i have quoted your post #141...mistakingly thinking that it was Marilyn post ...
Just to make it clear, I don't think that God gave Satan a throne.
 
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The SPIRITS of the DEAD nephillim are not locked into the bottomless pit .
NIMROD was a human descendant of one of the 3 sons of Noah.
Guess what? All of the nephilim were of human descent. None of them had fallen angels as both parents.
 
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The SPIRITS of the DEAD nephillim are not locked into the bottomless pit .
NIMROD was a human descendant of one of the 3 sons of Noah.

The only option is that it is ABADDON who is the one that the whole world shall wonder whose names were not written in the book of life Revelation 17:8.... to whom Satan will give his power.

Angel ABBADDON will be active on the EARTH as soon as the Bottomless pit will be opened Revelation 9...which means many months before that Satan will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12 ....that is why it is said that the DRAGON will give him power to continue for 42 months.

ABADDON is the one that will be HIT at the HEAD ...angels are immortal so his wound at the head will heal...
Well, it doesn't say how the person will be killed. It is one of the heads that is mortally wounded, not a mortal head wound.

So, if I understand you correctly, Abbaddon will appear to humans on earth and somehow becomes the leader, who like Superman is hit by a bullet or something, killing him - everyone thinks, but he really isn't killed, and recovers because he is an immortal angel?

How do factor in that the release of Abaddon is at the fifth trumpet judgement? Well into the great tribulation, which begins after the AOD is setup, which is after the person is killed and brought back to life.

Abaddon was and is not ? And is presently in the bottomless pit. How can that apply to Abaddon, an angel?

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
 
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DOUGGG said:
How do factor in that the release of Abaddon is at the fifth trumpet judgement? Well into the great tribulation, which begins after the AOD is setup, which is after the person is killed and brought back to life.Well, it doesn't say how the person will be killed. It is one of the heads that is mortally wounded, not a mortal head wound.

So, if I understand you correctly, Abbaddon will appear to humans on earth and somehow becomes the leader, who like Superman is hit by a bullet or something, killing him - everyone thinks, but he really isn't killed, and recovers because he is an immortal angel?

How do factor in that the release of Abaddon is at the fifth trumpet judgement? Well into the great tribulation, which begins after the AOD is setup, which is after the person is killed and brought back to life.
Nobody will know that that "guy" is an angel,,,when he will receive what SEEMED a mortal wound at the head...

DOUGG said:
Abaddon was and is not ? And is presently in the bottomless pit. How can that apply to Abaddon, an angel?

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

Abaddon was active on the Earth BEFORE the FLOOD ...Abaddon is not active now because God have locked him into the Bottomless pit with the angels who have participated to the events of Genesis 6:2-4, Abaddon will be released out of the Bottomless Pit to be the ONE whom the world shall wonder and he will go into perdition [Revelation 17:8] in the lake of fire with the false prophet unto the Coming of Jesus Revelation 19:20.
 
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They will be named KINGS for ONE HOUR ...meaning that they will have been fooled by the Beast...once they will give full power and their Kingdoms to the Beast..

Show us the Bible verses saying that a leader will be possessed by Satan?

Morning Riberra,

`I saw one of its heads (leaders) AS IF, it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed.` (Rev. 13: 3)

That seems to me, to suggest that Satan has a hand in that `trickery.` Notice - AS IF, revealing that it only seemed to be a mortal wound, but Satan entered him and thus, the 8th became one of the seven. (Rev. 17: 11)

Marilyn.
 
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Morning Riberra,

`I saw one of its heads (leaders) AS IF, it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed.` (Rev. 13: 3)

That seems to me, to suggest that Satan has a hand in that `trickery.` Notice - AS IF, revealing that it only seemed to be a mortal wound, but Satan entered him and thus, the 8th became one of the seven. (Rev. 17: 11)

Marilyn.
As IF it was wounded to death at the head ---because the "guy" is not human but in reality is the ANGEL ABADDON the ONE that the whole Earth shall wonder ....angels are immortal. Revelation 17:8
 
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Abaddon isn't the beast that was and is not. Abaddon is only used once, and the beast the was and is not is a person possessed by Abaddon or his peers.
Hal, Revelation 17:8 has two parts 17a and 17b.

The beast that John in the first century saw - was and is not. That person lived before John's time, and was dead. His disemboided spirit, can be referred to as an unclean spirit, in the bottomless pit.

a. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

In part b, is the end times person. That end times person will be possessed by the unclean spirit - transforming the end times person into the beast.

b. and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Here's why it is not Abaddon.

In Revelation 13, the false prophet has an image made of the beast - after the beast is mortally wounded and healed (and possessed)... the image is the AOD beginning the great tribulation, and all of the judgements. So the end times person has been killed and come back to life possessed (by Abaddon)?

But wait Abaddon is still in the bottom pit - long after the judgments begin - so it can't be Abaddon.

In order
1. end times person killed and come back to life, possessed - Revelation 13
2. an image of the person, the Abomination of Desolation - Revelation 13
3. the great tribulation begins (Matthew 24:15)
4. the judgements begin, the trumpets,
5. Abaddon released from the bottomless pit, at the fifth trumpet.

So as you can see the person has become the beast (possessed) before Abaddon is released from the bottomless pit.
 
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YOU BOUNCE AROUND TOO MUCH TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.

You need to take it one thing at a time as much as you can. It's not necessary for you or anyone one else to give what you think the entire prophetic scenario is. Too many people do that. They do it because they think they have this all figured out. You are approaching prophecy the completely wrong way....
I understand your point. But, I have not been not giving the entire end times scenario. You happened to pick one topic, that of Abaddon, which can be complicated to address as to why it is not Abaddon.

I am not approaching prophecy the wrong way - you are. You have to see what takes place, before another thing takes place.

So, I will simplify it to one sentence...

The person becomes the beast, possessed - before Abaddon is released from the bottomless pit.

....so it can't be Abaddon possessing the person.
 
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As IF it was wounded to death at the head ---because the "guy" is not human but in reality is the ANGEL ABADDON the ONE that the whole Earth shall wonder ....angels are immortal. Revelation 17:8

Riberra,

Satan has his unholy trinity -

Satan, as the FATHER of lies. (not Father God)
The leader (A/C) of the Global Government - instead of Jesus. (thus the false resurrection)
The false prophet - instead of the Holy Spirit, (thus the lying wonders)

Marilyn.
 
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Riberra,

Satan has his unholy trinity -

Satan, as the FATHER of lies. (not Father God)
The leader (A/C) of the Global Government - instead of Jesus. (thus the false resurrection)
The false prophet - instead of the Holy Spirit, (thus the lying wonders)

Marilyn.
Exactly .... The leader (A/C) of the Global Government - instead of Jesus. (thus the false resurrection) WILL BE ABADDON
 
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