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Featured The Biblical Anti-Christ.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Marilyn C, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Riberra

    Riberra Well-Known Member

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    An angel [looking like a man] FAKING to have been wounded to death ..whose wound will be healed mysteriously Revelation 13:3, will do the job of the fake resurrection; Remember the whole scenario will be about DECEPTION that they should believe a lie... for all those who have not the Truth of God in them.

    The BEAST of
    Revelation 13:3 = the Beast of Revelation 17:8 And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world

    That is not a man.... The Bible is clear ,the Beast that the World shall wonder will come out of the Bottomless pit Revelation 17:8 .
     
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  2. Hal A Peno

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  3. Douggg

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    The person becomes the beast, possessed - before Abaddon is released from the bottomless pit.

    ....so it can't be Abaddon possessing the person.

    The person becomes the beast, possessed> then the AoD image is made of him > starting the great tribulation > then the trumpet judgements begin > then at the fifth trumpet Abaddon is released.
     
  4. Riberra

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    Only God have the power to resurrect a human...a possession by a disincorporated spirit of a dead Nephilim [demon] does not resurrect a DEAD BODY.
     
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  5. Riberra

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    Revelation 9 tell us the moment the bottomless pit will be opened ....which will be many months BEFORE the AOD of Revelation 13...
     
  6. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Riberra, the AoD begins the great tribulation (Matthew 24:15).

    The trumpets judgement do not take place until the AoD is made. Abaddon's release is not until the fifth trumpet. A review of the previous four trumpets - the severity of those is a clear indication that the great tribulation is underway before Abaddon is released.

    The person becomes the beast, possessed> then the AoD image is made of him > starting the great tribulation > then the trumpet judgements begin > then at the fifth trumpet Abaddon is released.
     
  7. Riberra

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    Matthew 24:15 have happened in 70 AD. There is a passage in Luke referring to the same warning by Jesus which said -when ye shall see Jerusalem encompassed with armies ...then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains-

    15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand), 16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: 17 let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out things that are in his house: 18 and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak.
    ONLY GOD HAVE THE POWER TO RESURRECT A DEAD HUMAN... possession always happen on a ALIVE person.
     
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  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The passage is Luke is not the equivalent of the passage in Matthew 24.

    The distinguishing difference is.
    in Luke - when Jerusalem surrounded by armies. (70Aad)
    in Matthew 24 - when the abomination of desolation is setup (end times)

    Yes, the person will be brought back to life by God, in disdain for the person.

    Isaiah 14:
    19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    The person will be descended from the Caesar family and also a Jew.
     
  9. Riberra

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    The passage in Luke is the same OLIVET DISCOURSE given by Jesus than Matthew 24...

    The ROMANS and their worship [religion] were an abomination for the Jews.

    You said in another post that "the person"will come back to life because that he will be possessed by Abaddon...
    The passage that you quote in Isaiah 14 is about SATAN ...Satan will be locked into the bottomless pit unto the coming of Jesus Revelation 20.
    Isaiah 14
    12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations!

    13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit.



    The Bible say that the -BEAST- whom the whole Earth shall wonder will come out of the bottomless pit Revelation 17:8... FACE IT this is ABADDON Revelation 9:11
     
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  10. Douggg

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    no, they are not both the olivet discourse. Luke 21 took place in the temple courtyard, it is in the first two verses of Luke 21.

    1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
    2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

    I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I was stating the claim of others, question mark. Then explained that it can't be Abaddon possessing the person

    from my post 155...

    "So the end times person has been killed and come back to life possessed (by Abaddon)?

    But wait Abaddon is still in the bottom pit - long after the judgments begin - so it can't be Abaddon."
    No, Isaiah 14:19-20 is talking about a human being. How can these verse apply to Satan?

    19. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    No it does not say that. What it is meaning is that the world will see the person killed and come back to life. It does not say that they wonder at the person because he comes out of the bottomless pit.

    Revelaton 17:8b..... : and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
     
  11. Riberra

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    I have NOT said that the World will wonder him because he come out of the bottomless pit.
    I said that the World will never know than "the person" who will come back to life after what seemed a mortal wound at the head [if he was a human]...is in reality the angel of the bottomless pit.
    Revelation 17:8 a
    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the bottomless pit, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,

    Genesis 19:3 explain that angels looks exactly like human young males ...and they can eat and digest our foods.

    Do a little search, and you will notice that every time WHEN angels are seen they are always described in the Bible as looking exactly like men [young males in the 20 years old of looking] ...

    See the description of the angel that was seen after Jesus resurrection at the empty tomb of Jesus.
     
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  12. Riberra

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    Luke 21:5-38
    5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and offerings, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in which there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign when these things are about to come to pass?

    8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [he]; and, The time is at hand: go ye not after them.

    9 And when ye shall hear of wars and tumults, be not terrified: for these things must needs come to pass first; but the end is not immediately.

    10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; 11 and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.

    12 But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name's sake.

    13 It shall turn out unto you for a testimony.

    14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay.

    16 But ye shall be delivered up even by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and [some] of you shall they cause to be put to death.

    17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

    18 And not a hair of your head shall perish.

    19 In your patience ye shall win your souls.

    20 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.

    21 Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein.
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    Now compare with
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  13. Marilyn C

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    Hi Riberra,

    Well you all have covered some ground since I`ve been away. However I do have some thoughts to contribute.

    1. It seems to me you are making `Abaddon` into a separate angel from Satan, and giving him more power and authority than Satan. `Abaddon` is the descriptive word to describe Satan`s activity as `destroyer.` Satan has other names also to describe his activities - the devil, the serpent of old, the dragon.

    Now remember it says in God`s word that -
    `For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the DEVIL.` (1 John 3: 8)

    ....the devil, is Satan. Abaddon is Satan. The word does not say that Jesus came to destroy the works of another angel called Abaddon.

    2. Rev. 17: 8 refers to Abaddon/Satan opening up the bottomless pit, ie releasing the fallen angels there. He ascends out of the bottomless pit,` meaning he went in & opened it up, and released the angels there.

    Marilyn.
     
  14. Douggg

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    There is not disagreement that angels can appear as men. The issue is that it is not Abaddon because the person is already the beast before Abaddon is released from the bottomless pit.
     
  15. Douggg

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    I did compare and noted to you the difference between Luke 21 and Matthew 24 regarding fleeing to the mountains.

    In Luke 21 - when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.
    In Matthew 24 - differently, when they see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not be.

    Also the person is not an angel, because the number of the beast is the number of a man, not an angel appearing as a man.
     
  16. Riberra

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    You base that affirmation on Matthew 24:15 ...
    Matthew 24:15 have happened in 70 AD...the Abomination which caused the Desolation (AOD) was the Roman Army destroying the City and the Temple...

    The prophecy of Daniel 9:23-27 /Matthew 24:15 [which is about the time of Jacob's Trouble] ie God's wrath using the Roman armies upon the Jews who have rejected the New Covenant

    ...have nothing to do with the prophecy of Daniel about the Little little horn ...the son of perdition sitting in the HOLY PLACE and declaring that he is God and the standing of the image of the Beast ..which will happen in Revelation 13
     
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  17. Douggg

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    Matthew 24:15 did not happen in 70AD, because the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel 12 is end times.

    Luke 21;20-23 is 70AD, followed by the times of the Gentiles in Luke 21:24. At the end of the times of the Gentiles, Luke 21:25-37 is end times.

    The prophecy in Daniel 9:26-27, the little horn person will be the prince who shall come.

    The bible doesn't say anything about the person, as the beast, being an angel. Nor an angel appearing as a man.
     
  18. Riberra

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    Revelation 17:8 say it all...The Beast that the World shall wonder will come out of the Bottomless Pit AND SHALL GO INTO PERDITION [the son of perdition >capice ...Revelation 9:11 say that it is an ANGEL and provide his name ABADDON...
     
  19. Riberra

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    Is the end time of the OLD JEWS SYSTEM OF SACRIFICE TO BE SAVED.

    Jesus have put a END TO THE OLD JEWISH SYSTEM
     
  20. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Revelation 9:11 does not say that the beast coming out of the bottomless pit is an angel. Beast is not found anywhere in Revelation 9:11.

    You have put together a theory that the beast is Abaddon. But that theory is in error for the reasons I having been giving. That the person becomes the beast before Abaddon is released at the fifth trump.

    Riberra, what causes the trumpet judgement to begin?
     
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