The Biblical Anti-Christ.

[Douggg]

Can you tell us who will kill the 2 witnesses ?
Can you tell us where on the Earth is the Beast located ?

Riberra, the beast kills the two witnesses. As to your second question,the person who becomes the beast, right now, no-one knows. When the person kills the two witnesses, it will be in Jerusalem.

Who that person is - who eventually becomes the beast, will first become the leader of the EU, once the EU's form of government changes. He will be recognizable by having a stern facial expression, and will be a Jew. And I think he is going be anti-Islamic, in reaction to the muslim attempt to take over Europe, through the mass immigration in the last 4 or 5 years. Europe has a lot of problems.

The EU's in somewhat of a crisis state right now, with movements in several countries wanting to leave the EU, because of the type of government they have mostly bureaucrats having all the power. Also the central bankers around the world have gotten themselves into a lot of trouble by doing quantitative easing, propping up banks. and a stock market totally dependent on the banks themselves buying stocks, artificially keeping the prices elevated. The bond market and housing markets are also in bubble territory. So those are going to be the issues coming up that is going to cause the EU to change it's structure of government.

 

[Riberra]

Riberra, the beast kills the two witnesses.

Revelation 11:7 tell us
THE BEAST THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT will kill the two witnesses

to your second question,the person who becomes the beast, right now, no-one knows. When the person kills the two witnesses, it will be in Jerusalem.

I asked -WHERE- ON THE EARTH is the Beast located ?

The actual location of the Beast is INSIDE THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 11:7 tell us
THE BEAST THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT will kill the two witnesses

There are two beasts in Revelation 13. So it is necessary to identify which of the two, kills the two witnesses. It is the first beast in Revelation 13, which the unclean spirit from the bottomless pit will possess.

It is not Abaddon, because Abaddon is still in the bottomless pit until the fifth trumpet.

I asked -WHERE- ON THE EARTH is the Beast located ?

The actual location of the Beast is INSIDE THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.

You didn't ask the location of the Beast in the Bottomless pit. I don't know the location of the bottomless pit, and I don't think anyone does.

I thought you were asking where is the beast in Revelation 17:8b is. Which is how I answered.

Revelation 17:8a The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: 17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Riberra, let's say we don't know who the beast in the bottomless pit is, we ourselves certainly have not seen him, neither had John - how are the people of the earth going to know that person was once in the bottomless pit by seeing him? How are they going say - "oh look that is the person who was in the bottomless pit"

In Revelation 13, the first beast is worshiped. So who in 2thessalonians2:4 goes into the temple, sits, claiming to be God? revealing himself as the man of sin.

 

[Riberra]

There are two beasts in Revelation 13. So it is necessary to identify which of the two, kills the two witnesses. It is the first beast in Revelation 13, which the unclean spirit from the bottomless pit will possess.

Why are you calling the ANGEL of the bottomless pit a spirit?....angels have a BODY.

You didn't ask the location of the Beast in the Bottomless pit. I don't know the location of the bottomless pit, and I don't think anyone does.

No,i asked where the Beast is actually....obviously the Bible tell us that the Beast is actually locked inside of the pit...[a place located inside the Earth].

I thought you were asking where is the beast in Revelation 17:8b is. Which is how I answered.

Revelation 17:8a The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: 17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Riberra, let's say we don't know who the beast in the bottomless pit is, we ourselves certainly have not seen him, neither had John - how are the people of the earth going to know that person was once in the bottomless pit by seeing him? How are they going say - "oh look that is the person who was in the bottomless pit"

We will know without a doubt who is the Beast of the Bottomless pit when he will kill the 2 witnesses.
Revelation 11:7

In Revelation 13, the first beast is worshiped. So who in 2thessalonians2:4 goes into the temple, sits, claiming to be God? revealing himself as the man of sin.

The man of sin is also called the SON OF PERDITION...ANGELS ARE ALSO CALLED SON(S) OF GOD

Guess who is cited as going into PERDITION
HINT :Revelation 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out out of the bottomless pit, and to go into perdition.

And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

 

[Douggg]

Why are you calling the ANGEL of the bottomless pit a spirit?....angels have a BODY.

We are not talking about Revelation 9, but Revelation 17. And in Revelation 17 it only says beast.

In Revelation 9, when it does speak of Abaddnon as the angel of the bottomless pit - it does not call him a beast.

No,i asked where the Beast is actually....obviously the Bible tell us that the Beast is actually locked inside of the pit...[a place located inside the Earth].

But you were not being clear what beast you were talking about. And where are you basing your position that the bottomless pit is located inside the earth?

We will know without a doubt who is the Beast of the Bottomless pit when he will kill the 2 witnesses. Revelation 11:7

Have you seen the person before he went into the bottomless pit? You claim it is Abaddon. What did Abadddon look like before he was placed into the bottomless pit, to recognize him when he acends out of the bottomless pit. You have no idea. No-one does. It is not Ababddon, anyway.

The man of sin is also called the SON OF PERDITION...ANGELS ARE ALSO CALLED SON(S) OF GOD

Guess who is cited as going into PERDITION
HINT :Revelation 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out out of the bottomless pit, and to go into perdition.

Was Judas an angel? Judas was called the son of perdition. It is man of sin.

Riberra, you are going to have an angel ascend out of the bottomless pit and appear on the world stage out of the middle of nowhere - where in the bible are you getting that? No parents, no childhood, no growing into an adult, no younger years, no nothing. Just poof - he appears.

 

[Riberra]

We are not talking about Revelation 9, but Revelation 17. And in Revelation 17 it only says beast.

No, Revelation 17:8 say clearly that the Beast will ascend OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT....

In Revelation 9, when it does speak of Abaddnon as the angel of the bottomless pit - it does not call him a beast.

Are you able to connect the dots... Revelation 17:8 ...Revelation 9:11 ....Revelation 11:7

But you were not being clear what beast you were talking about ...

The subject is about the BEAST THAT THE WORLD SHALL WONDER... all those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life ...Revelation 13:2-8....Revelation 17:8

. And where are you basing your position that the bottomless pit is located inside the earth?

Because of the smoke that will come out of the bottomless pit when the pit will be opened Revelation 9:1-2.
2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Have you seen the person before he went into the bottomless pit? You claim it is Abaddon. What did Abadddon look like before he was placed into the bottomless pit, to recognize him when he acends out of the bottomless pit. You have no idea. No-one does. It is not Ababddon, anyway.

I said that we WILL KNOW this is Abaddon WHEN he will kill the 2 witnesses...Revelation 11:7

Was Judas an angel? Judas was called the son of perdition. It is man of sin.

Are you saying that you believe that Judas will be the end times Beast that the whole Earth shall wonder ?

Riberra, you are going to have an angel ascend out of the bottomless pit and appear on the world stage out of the middle of nowhere - where in the bible are you getting that? No parents, no childhood, no growing into an adult, no younger years, no nothing. Just poof - he appears.

I have explained in a previous post that he will be presented to the public scene by the UN or the EU...sometimes after that he will came out of the bottomless pit...

Of course "he" will not say,..Hi ,i am Abaddon...

Here an interesting comment made by the
the first president of the United Nations General Assembly, Paul-Henri Spaak, who was also a prime minister of Belgium and one of the early planners of the European Common Market, as well as a secretary-general of NATO, affirmed,

"We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him."

 

[Douggg]

No, Revelation 17:8 say clearly that the Beast will ascend OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT....

Yes, but it doesn't say in what form the beast with be in.

 

[BABerean2]

What family rules the world at the present time and is the richest family in the world?
However, their name almost never makes the list of the richest people.


They are found in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, and like the Pharisees before them have rejected Christ.

Their symbol contains 666.

This symbol is now on the back of a one dollar bill above the eagle's head, on the back side, along with the occult pyramid and its all-seeing eye.

Their control of the mass media is undeniable.

They have accumulated tremendous wealth through usery, which is forbidden by the Old Testament.
They are the "money-changers" who have gained control of the world's money supply.

They designed and paid for the construction of the Israeli Parliament building.

The Balfour Agreement, which promised a homeland in the middle east for a particular race of people, was transacted through a letter from the British government to a member of the family.

A World Bank and a World Court already exists at the present time.

Sometimes we miss the most obvious answer to the question, even though the answer is right in front of us.

1Jn 2:22　 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.　
1Jn 2:23　 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.　

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[Douggg]

I said that we WILL KNOW this is Abaddon WHEN he will kill the 2 witnesses...Revelation 11:7

It will confirm that it is not Abaddon, because the first four trumpet judgments will not have taken place until after the two witnesses are killed.

Are you saying that you believe that Judas will be the end times Beast that the whole Earth shall wonder ?

No. The comparison to Judas (as the son of perdition) is that he betrayed Jesus, and to carry out the act Satan entered him. Whether Satan entered him literally or Satan put the thoughts into his head is not known for sure, imo.

Regardless, like Judas, Satan will enter the Antichrist, making him the son of perdition, to carry out the act of betrayal to his land and his people - to stop the daily sacrifice, go into temple, sit, claiming to be God.

I have explained in a previous post that he will be presented to the public scene by the UN or the EU...sometimes after that he will came out of the bottomless pit...

You expect the earth to open up, smoke pouring out, darkening the sun, Abaddon coming out with all the tormenting locust, who torment men for five months, and the leader of the U.N. is supposed to present the guy to the public as the leader of the world? With no record of birth, no history, just out of nowhere... not going to happen, Ribbera.

While Abaddon is being introduced by the leader of the UN to the world..... What happened to the revealed man of sin? What happen to the little horn? What happened to prince who shall come confirming the covenant for 7 years?

It is just Abaddon emerging, inconspicuously from an opening in the earth which billows out smoke and darkens the sun. What about all of the locust coming out at the same time?

 

[Riberra]

It will confirm that it is not Abaddon, because the first four trumpet judgments will not have taken place until after the two witnesses are killed.

Do you read the same Bible than the rest of us ?
-Revelation 8 describe the first four trumpets ...
-Revelation 9 describe the 5 Th trumpet and the 6 Th Trumpet....


The 2 witnesses will be killed by the Beast that will came out of the bottomless pit not long before the sounding of the 7 Th trumpet ....

 

[BABerean2]

The 2 witnesses will be killed by the Beast that will came out of the bottomless pit not long before the sounding of the 7 Th trumpet ....

If you want to see one of the two witnesses, go look in the mirror.
You are one, Brother.

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[Douggg]

Do you read the same Bible than the rest of us ?
-Revelation 8 describe the first four trumpets ...
-Revelation 9 describe the 5 Th trumpet and the 6 Th Trumpet....

The 2 witnesses will be killed by the Beast that will came out of the bottomless pit not long before the sounding of the 7 Th trumpet ....

The 7th trumpet on the 7 year timeline does not follow the 6th trumpet. Just as the 7th seal does not follow the 6th seal on the 7 year timeline.

seals 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - span the seven years, from beginning to end. The contents of Seal 7 do not begin at the end of the seven years, but at the middle.

Trumpet judgments 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5, 6 span the second half of the seven years The seventh trumpet sounds not at the end of the 7 years, but almost at the exact midpoint....setting off the process which the kingdoms of this world are taken from Satan's kingdom and become the kingdoms of God and his Christ.

That process spans the second half of the seven years. The trumpet judgments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, take place over the course of the second half of the seven years.

I don't know why anyone would think people would be exchanging presents (Revelation 11: 10) at the end of the 7 years, as the armies of the world are assembling at Armageddon/

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[Riberra]

The 7th trumpet on the 7 year timeline does not follow the 6th trumpet. Just as the 7th seal does not follow the 6th seal on the 7 year timeline.

seals 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - span the seven years, from beginning to end.

Ho, my !Do you really believe that the Book of Revelation concerns only the last 7 years that will precede the second coming of Jesus ?

Go and learn some history since the Book of Revelation have been written...
And compare with what is written in the Five first seals.. Revelation 6

Seal 1 ...the conquest of the Gospel [white horse]
Seal 2 ....wars who have plagued humanity [red horse]
Seal 3 ....famines
Seal 4.....1/4 of the surface of the Earth affected by WW1 and WW2
Seal 5.... Christians martyrs

The first 5 Seals in action to this day ...

 

[Hal A Peno]

vgbjhm

 

[Riberra]

That makes the purpose of a seal worthless. They're 'prophetic indicators' meant to disclose THE TIME and season of the approaching tribulation and Lord's return.

The events of the 6Th seal [Revelation 6:12-17] will be the marking moment....

Why would the white horse be the gospel and then everything else that follows BAD?

That's the way it is !