The best evidence against Evolution

[sfs]

Oh, come on -- isn't anyone going to take my pop quiz?

 

[Norman321]

Do you mean to tell me you will forgo Medical treatment and just pray for its recovery?

I have told you many times now. GET ALL that man has for you. Then when man has done all he can do for you, turn to God for help. God will not ever disappoint you. Sooner or later man will always disappoint you. More often sooner. With all the complaining you do, then you must be very disappointed in man. They must have really failed to come though and deliver for you at some point in your life.

 

[USincognito]

Why do you find this surprising?

Pop quiz: roughly how long has it taken for 100 million mutations to occur in the human population?

a) 1 million years
b) 100,000 years
c) 10,000 years
d) 1000 years
e) 100 years
f) 10 years
g) 1 year
h) since last Sunday

Germ cells - h
Born and breathing - f

 

[mzungu]

I have told you many times now. GET ALL that man has for you. Then when man has done all he can do for you, turn to God for help. God will not ever disappoint you. Sooner or later man will always disappoint you. More often sooner. With all the complaining you do, then you must be very disappointed in man. They must have really failed to come though and deliver for you at some point in your life.

So if you accept medical treatment for your child you are accepting the validity of the field of medicine. If so then you are accepting Biology, genetics, which in turn means you accept ToE! Medicine and biology makes absolutely no sense without ToE!

You cannot have your cake and eat it too as this will mean that you are acting hypocritically by choosing to dismiss that very thing that you use towards your interest!

"Hypocrites and Pharisees" - Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Norman321]

So if you accept medical treatment for your child you are accepting the validity of the field of medicine.

My brother is a Pediatrician, so I call him. Otherwise my wife pays for the insurance so all of that is up to her.

Medicine and biology makes absolutely no sense without ToE!

Nonsense. "Toe" has only been around sense Darwin. Medicine goes back at least 4,000 years to Egypt. In fact I have a copy of the "The Edwin Smith Surgical Papyrus".

"The text is attributed by some to Imhotep, an architect, high priest, and physician of the Old Kingdom, 3000-2500 BCE" Wiki

When man has done all that man can do, we still have God to turn to for help and healing.

Darwin abhored medicine and was very disappointed when his daughter died.

 

[someguy14]

'Evolution' refers to both the fact of evolution (a change in allele frequency over time) and the theory of evolution (the theory that all life is descended from a common ancestor, and variation is due to evolution by natural selection).

So, with that established, what's the best evidence or rationale against one or both?

God is The Creator of all.
Those that fight against that, fail.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

God is The Creator of all.

Allegedly. Can you prove it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you prove it?

I can faith it.

 

[someguy14]

Allegedly. Can you prove it?

Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity is Love.

 

[mzungu]

My brother is a Pediatrician, so I call him. Otherwise my wife pays for the insurance so all of that is up to her.

If you seek medical treatment then you have to accept ToE otherwise you are acting in hypocrisy. Sorry but that is the way it is. It is like saying that you are a Christian but refuse to accept Jesus.

Nonsense. "Toe" has only been around sense Darwin. Medicine goes back at least 4,000 years to Egypt. In fact I have a copy of the "The Edwin Smith Surgical Papyrus".

"The text is attributed by some to Imhotep, an architect, high priest, and physician of the Old Kingdom, 3000-2500 BCE" Wiki

When man has done all that man can do, we still have God to turn to for help and healing.

Darwin abhored medicine and was very disappointed when his daughter died.

ToE has moved beyond Darwin the same way Astrophysics has moved beyond Copernicus. ToE can stand on its own with only the field of genetics to support it. Biology (modern) cannot function without ToE and as a result neither can medicine. Trial and error type of medicine may work sometimes but unless you can understand how for instance viruses evolve and mutate to different types or hoe bacteria mutate to withstand antibiotics then your prehistory type of medicine is doomed!

If you prefer to have ancient Egyptian type of medical help then so be it! Good luck with that!

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I have told you many times now. GET ALL that man has for you. Then when man has done all he can do for you, turn to God for help. God will not ever disappoint you. Sooner or later man will always disappoint you. More often sooner. With all the complaining you do, then you must be very disappointed in man. They must have really failed to come though and deliver for you at some point in your life.

Why put man before God?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Charity is Love.

It's also a nice tax write-off.

 

[mzungu]

It's also a nice tax write-off.

Not to mention a multi billion dollar industry. I have seen how they work in Africa and the poor people receive but a pittance of the aid donated; Most goes into the pockets of the charity organisation.

 

[sfs]

Not to mention a multi billion dollar industry. I have seen how they work in Africa and the poor people receive but a pittance of the aid donated; Most goes into the pockets of the charity organisation.

Evidence, please? There are certainly bad aid agencies, but the ones I know anything about are far different than your description suggests.

 

[Norman321]

Why put man before God?

The atonement for me is two fold. Jesus died to reconcil us with the father. But He also died to reconcil us with each other. Have you ever heard of cognitive evolution. You do know that groups evolve not individuals. The way Satan destorys is to try to get people off by themselves. You got to seperate them from the group or the hurd. I have had a lot of friends die that way. They were just off alone by themselves and there was no one there to revive them or to keep them going.

 

[Norman321]

Most goes into the pockets of the charity organisation.

By law they are allowed to keep 85% of the money to cover the cost of raising money. I hate that. I will give $20 to what looks like a good cause. Then they start sending me junk mail every month. Spending my money trying to get me to give them more money. I want 100% of my money to go toward helping people and not to fill up my mail box with junk.

I heard a story about an orphange in Mexico. The Amerians came in with all their cameras to take video to raise money. Someone asked the people if it bothered them that they were being used like that. Because they were only going to get 15% of the money raised. They said why should that bother us. That is still money we would not have had.

 

[mzungu]

By law they are allowed to keep 85% of the money to cover the cost of raising money. I hate that. I will give $20 to what looks like a good cause. Then they start sending me junk mail every month. Spending my money trying to get me to give them more money. I want 100% of my money to go toward helping people and not to fill up my mail box with junk.

I heard a story about an orphange in Mexico. The Amerians came in with all their cameras to take video to raise money. Someone asked the people if it bothered them that they were being used like that. Because they were only going to get 15% of the money raised. They said why should that bother us. That is still money we would not have had.

I fully agree with you here and find it shamefull that people give in order to help the destitute and suffering poor and only to have their money mostly go to rich pockets.

Charity should be just that and not a business.

You should see how they [charities] fight each other to be first on the scene of devastation. Something like a gold rush. If Jesus were alive today I am sure he would bring out the whip!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity is Love.

So, no, you can't.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

The atonement for me is two fold. Jesus died to reconcil us with the father. But He also died to reconcil us with each other. Have you ever heard of cognitive evolution. You do know that groups evolve not individuals. The way Satan destorys is to try to get people off by themselves. You got to seperate them from the group or the hurd. I have had a lot of friends die that way. They were just off alone by themselves and there was no one there to revive them or to keep them going.

That has nothing to do with what I said. My point is that you exhaust all scientific options available to you (as any rational person would) before throwing a Hail Mary pass to your spiritual beliefs. You live a let less by faith than you let on (which is good -- I don't want you turning to faith-healing as your front line medical provider).

 

[AV1611VET]

That has nothing to do with what I said. My point is that you exhaust all scientific options available to you (as any rational person would) before throwing a Hail Mary pass to your spiritual beliefs. You live a let less by faith than you let on (which is good -- I don't want you turning to faith-healing as your front line medical provider).

LHM, by way of a trivia question:

Who did Jesus say sick people needed?