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The Antichrist

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by john316, Nov 25, 2001.

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  1. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello jbenjesus,
    Sorry I misquoted you. It was you quoting someone else (Kikid). I think your posts are too long, with too many questions in them. You are asking so many questions, that it feels like some kind of a test. Not that questions are bad, but just running too many of them together. You had a question about Matt. 21-24, is that the whole 4 chapters, or a verse, or verses??? Need more specifics here. Please try to limit your questions to one, or two at the most, at a time.
     
  2. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello jbenjesus,
     
  3. rollinTHUNDER

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    Sorry- I tried to pull up scripture, but I don't know how to work it. I'm new at computers, and not very good I might add. I also type with only one finger. Your questions would take me all day to answer them jbenjesus.
     
  4. jbenjesus

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    Finally.

    Debbie the "God of his fathers" refers to him not regarding the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, his fathers. Because the Bible is written to Jews and in the Jewish perspective, it also alludes to this king being a Jew. In other words, this king will disregard the Holy One of Israel. But not only that, he will disregard any other gods, pagan gods.

    Debbie the questions you asked, in my humble opinion, belong in another thread. Again, I don't attach "the beast" with "the antichrist" for the aforementioned reasons.

    I will start a new thread though on Daniel 9 on why is it so many of us have shot these verses off into our future and not realized its fulfillment in our past.

    rollinThunder, I will try to shorten my posts. For me to be clear on some issues I need to wriite a bit longer to lessen any misunderstandings. I hope you understand.

    I guess I can continue this in a new thread under prophecy so check out for it. I think I've pointed out as much as I can regarding antichrist. If you guys don't see the explicitenss of the scriptures regarding it, well, I'm personally not one to beat someone up with the bible till they cry "uncle."

    I'll try other avenues to try and get the point across.
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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  6. Debbie

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    He's a preterist, believes ALL prophecy ahs been fulfilled including the rapture, that we are now living in the "spiritual" 1,000 yr. reign of Christ. I think.
     
  7. jbenjesus

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    Well that's to be expected I guess.

    Sorry Debbie. I'm not a preterist. I don't believe all prophecy has been fulfilled. I definitely do not believe the rapture has been fulfilled. I don't even know what I think yet about living in a "spritual" thousand year reign of Christ. I have many questions myself, but I try not to allow preconcieved notions lead me to what I expect already.

    rollinThunder: I was simply using Debbie's argument about "God" being in capitals, which is something I wouldn't have done because the original Hebrew and Greek there were no capitals, or commas or punctuations for that matter, I simply showed that "the God of his fathers" is referring to the only "God" (capital letter) that their truly is.

    Deuteronomy 6:4 (paraphrased) Hear O Israel the Lord your God is one. There is no other "God" than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Unless you believe that there are more "God's"?

    His fathers is related to his bloodline, naturally, correct?. The only people in the Old Covenant that honored the One True God is the nation of Israel. So if this "king" disregarded the "God" of his fathers than it alludes to him being a Jew. I did say it alludes to him being a Jew. Furthermore, I was only speaking of the "king" referred to in Daniel 11:36,37, not antichrist being a Jew. Again, I don't see this "king" being "the antichrist" that is popularly preached about.

    When the Bible was scribed it was originally for the Hebrews. God was speaking to His people, for the most part in the Old Covenant. Agreed? I was stating this in that perspective.

    However, now that Christ has died, been buried, and rose again those scriptures are for all people who will obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. All scripture is for all nations who will obey the gospel.

    I conclude you overlook the past because, respectfully speaking, the things that you have attributed to antichrist and put off into our future, have actually already taken place in the kingdom of Greece (Daniel 8 and verses before Daniel 11:36,37) and in the kingdom of Rome (Daniel 11:36,37).

    For most of my life I believed in the pre-trib b/c that is what was simply taught to me to expect. Later, when I searched out for the truth in the scriptures myself, b/c of the evidence of scripture and lack of understanding of history, I believed that the overwhelming evidence pointed toward a post-trib expectation. In that comment that Debbie made I agreed.

    However, even in that viewpoint there are many questions left and I've come to see lately that if you look into history with care, you can find a lot of what we are speaking of in this thread has taken place and names of the people in history can be given who fulfilled such verses.

    Again I will start a new thread on Daniel 9. This is what really opened my eyes b/c I never realized this misguided point:

    No matter whether you believed in pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, you had to place a "gap" between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel. And to be honest with you that "gap" simply does not exist. It has been placed their by well-intentioned individuals, way before our time, in their attempts to understand prophetic scritpure.

    So if you will bear with me, I will post a new thread on the 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9, sometime in the future, and maybe we can get into the meat of all this.

    Again, respectfully, b/c I don't have all the answers,
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello jbenjesus,
    Why would the " gods of his fathers " have to mean that it was definately his bloodline?? I'm not a Jew, but Abraham is still my father, according to a promise that he received from God. God promised that he would be the father of many nations, and that through him the whole earth would be blessed. He is the father of the Jews, the Muslims, and the Christians. These all have one God, but the Romans were pagans and had many gods.

    Salvation was offered first, to the Jews, but it was never intended that they would be the only ones that could be saved. The Jews probably did believe that they were the only ones, and they called the non-Jews dogs or gentiles, but this was not of God.
     
  9. jbenjesus

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    You are correct in much of what you said.

    He is the God of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians if these people have obeyed the gospel. Just because Muslims and Jews and "Christians" believe in one God doens't mean they all fear the same One True God. If they come to Him on His terms and obey the gospel, then they fear the One True God.

    Dealing with these questions would side track from the threads title. Not to say they aren't important. I sent you a personal message. When you get a chance, answer it. Let's try to make other threads on the other questions.

    Just let me know by personal message or reply a in this thread.
     
  10. jtc

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    people say that the antichrist is someone who does not believe that jesus is the christ and they are right. if you are anti government you dont obey the government. if you are anti christ you dont obey his teachings. I have met alot of people who say that the anti christ is someone who does not believe in christ and yet they dont even believe in him. jesus saves us from our sins not in our sins.1st john 3:9 whosoever is born of god does not commit sin. if you say that you can never stop sinning you are an antichrist because are denying that jesus is the lamb who came to take away our sins. 1st john 3:5 and you know he was manifested to take away our sins and in him is no sin whosoever abideth in him sinneth not whoever sinneth has not seen him or known him. in 1st john 2:18-19 john talks about the antichrist he says they actually did take part in the fellowship with him but they left because they were not of the same spirit. jesus said it himself concerning the end times that manyy would come in his name and would be false. jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. john 14:15 he also said those who dont keep his words loveth him not john 14:24. if you sin you dont keep his commandments and you dont love him. jesus said these people draw nigh to me with thier lips but thier heart is far from me. if you dont do something commanded of you, you are anti that thing so please dont say that it is someone who does not believe in christ
     
  11. Yauming

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    Ya, that's OK.

    I am also not pleased with the Catholic teachings on Salvation, Mary, and the Pope etc..

    I just pray that more Catholics will spend more time reading the Bible and realize some of their teachings do not gel with God's word.

    But I try to temper my criticism of the Catholic church because it is doing a good work among the poor in 3rd world countries.

    Have you seen the recent movie "The Third Miracle?"

    Cheers and thanks for the post,

    YM


     
  12. Yauming

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    I think I agree with you there. I think much of the prophecy in the bible has something to do with each and every age. But they also speak of future events too.

    If the interpretations of current events are done in a humble way or placed with a note that it is in the author's own humble opinion (IMHO), then its helps the reader to reflect upon them.


    Cheers,

    YM

     
  13. rollinTHUNDER

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    back to the top
     
  14. Laverne3

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    To jbenjesus, You come across too hard and condemning. This is a forum for learning and fellowship. All of this is enough to give you a headache.:) The Lord knows we are not perfect and we need to learn. You could be a good teacher by example instead, don't you think? Smiles
     
  15. Laverne3

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    To jbenjesus, You are very good with recall on verses, maybe you might be a teacher! :) Smiles
     
  16. celtic_crusader

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    not meaning any offence to chatholics but this scripture does make a point.

    Revelations 17 says that the woman on the beast sits on the 7 hills and is mingled with the 10 kings.

    well , rome is the only city in the world that has done the things that this prophesy says and also sits on 7 hills.
    (the prophecy says mountains but it also calls the hill of the mount of olives a mountain).

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    And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


    so my questian is;

    is the pope the antichrist and the man of sin that sits in the temple of god , saying that he is god?????
     
  17. Iffy

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    someone said that the antichrist has to be
    a foreign jew. and that person
    now alive...most likely to be antichrist..
    is henry kissinger? anyway this is all hearsay.
     
  18. Iffy

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    oh wait ( a little late but..), *hallo everyone* i'm new..
    this forum is very interesting. and i'm
    just going to look at this site a little more.
    i hope i can contribute something too.
    God bless you all people! (smiles)
     
  19. rollinTHUNDER

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    I believe the false prophet will be the next Pope. Not this current one, but the one after. The AC will be a Political leader from a revived Roman Empire.
     
  20. solo66 man

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    Hi Iffy,

    Welcome
    and have fun looking around and posting if you decide to.
     
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