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The Antichrist

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by john316, Nov 25, 2001.

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  1. celtic_crusader

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    the lates was a real good work writen about 15 years ago by an american woman , it was called ,"THE MISTS OF AVALON"..

    it was one of the best arthur storys that I have read.

    they have just made a movie about it I think.


    Didn`t what I say fit into every book you read because I only spoke about Arthur from a basic point of the legion.

    The points I make about his heritage are in all of them that tell of Arthur.

    as far as the myth goes , your right , there has been many fictisious books writen about it but the first two were written by historians and not writers of fiction.


    Ok yauming,
    I have read allot of different sauces so I will simply use the first encyclopaedia I find to make my point.

    First,
    The story that I told only covers the basics from the initial legend of Arthur although as you have said, there have been many writings added since the initial legends of Arthur and there is a lot of myth and simply “fiction” but were Arthur the king of the Britons and his heritage are concerned, well, I believe that is history and legend and it isn’t myth.

    As for the rest, yes, Celtic myth and out rite fiction.

    this does become relevant to show the druids and the Celtic and most other Germanic tribes around 500 ad because they were also worshipping the goddess and had priestesses so this was relevant to the mingling of the Christian faith with all of the ancient pagan goddesses.

    This also helps to establish my position on the 10 horns and the little horn in bible prophesies as I believe that prophesy was for the time period of king arthur , around 500 ad..

    That is what we are talking about hear into it, bible prophesy. :D


    Hears why I believe that Arthur the king and his heritage were most likely true;

    (And if he isn’t, it is still a good example to make the point that I was making by tell the Legend of Arthur (or myth). It was the “story” that pointed to the times I was referring to yauming, not weather this is a myth or history.)

    should we get into weather genesis is myth or history :D J/K

    The first two men to write about Arthur were historians not fiction writers.


    This info comes from the first place I look;

    The Encarta encyclopaedia.


    The Welsh historian Nennius first mentioned Arthur by name in the 9th-century Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons), but a full account of his life did not appear until about 300 years later, in the Historia Regum Britanniae (1136?; History of the Kings of Britain) by Welsh writer Geoffrey of Monmouth.


    Geoffrey of Monmouth (circa 1100-54), Welsh writer and ecclesiastic. He was the author of Historia Regum Britanniae (1136?; History of the Kings of Britain), a work purporting to delineate the lives of British kings from Brutus the Trojan, the mythical progenitor of the British people, to Caedwalla, king of North Wales (reigned about 625-34). Although the work is known to have existed as early as 1136, copies now extant are believed to date from 1147. The history is based on the writings of the early British chroniclers Gildas and Nennius and on popular legends, but includes much fictitious material. The ninth, tenth, and eleventh books, of the twelve constituting the work, contain the first extensive collection of taleskj dealing with King Arthur that afterward formed the basis for the Arth
    urian legend. A Norman translation of the Historia by the Anglo-Norman poet Wace was used in English about 1205 by Layamon, an English priest.
    For his history, Geoffrey earned the favor and patronage of Robert, Earl of Gloucester; as a result, he was named archdeacon of Llandaff about 1140 and bishop of Saint Asaph in 1152.
    Weather it is myth or history is irrelevant though yauming.

    It establishes my position , slowly but shorly :D

    Does that answer your question ??? or were you questioning my accuracy on the story of Arthur???


    celtic crusader :)
     
  2. edpobre

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    The Today's English Version (TEV) renders 1 John 4:2-3 thus: "This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's spirit: anyone who ACKNOWLEDGES that Jesus Christ CAME as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who DENIES this about Jesus does not have the spirit of God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ: you heard it would come, and now it is here in the world already."

    2 John 1:7 (TEV): "Many deceivers have gone out over the world, people who DO NOT acknowledge that Jesus Christ CAME as a human being. Such person is a deceiver and the Enemy of Christ."

    1 John 2:23 (TEV): "For whoever REJECTS the Son REJECTS also the Father: whoever accepts the son, has the Father also."

    Luke 10:16 (KJV): "He who HEARS you HEARS me. He who REJECTS you REJECTS me, and he who rejects me rejects Him who sent me."

    These verses tell us that the Enemy of Christ or AntiChrist is one who does not ACKNOWLEDGE that Jesus CAME as a HUMAN BEING.

    Most people believe in the INCARNATION doctrine that Jesus CAME as God and BECAME a human being or MAN. Thus, most people BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is God CONTRARY to what Jesus TAUGHT - that he is a MAN and the FATHER is the ONLY true God.

    These verses also tell us that when one does NOT listen to Jesus, he REJECTS him and also REJECTS the Father who sent him. The RCC as you say believe in God but they REJECT Jesus by NOT listening to him and believing what he taught. One who REJECTS Jesus is also an AntiChrist.

    Ed
     
  3. celtic_crusader

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    Hey Ed,
    I love this subject of Jesus divinity and for the record,"I believe that Jesus was the long awaited Jewish messiah" ;)

    Do I pass:D can I be saved know ;) J/K

    Ed, I still think that it depends on how you see these scriptures.

    There are different opinions on different meanings and that’s why the argument of who Jesus is, has gone on since the last apostles died.

    So, how can we find the truth of the godhead now and be so shore we are right???

    There are 4 different ideas on the godhead and they’re all debatable by scripture.

    There are also many scriptures that would directly suggest that Jesus is god.

    I would love to have this out with you on another thread about who Jesus is although I am not 100% shore myself.

    Are you an Arian believer? (J/W)???

    I don’t think that this doctrinal issue that confuses the church so much is what john was talking about.

    I think he meant that jesus was the messiah of god and you can’t come to god through any other mediator as they would obviously be of a false Christ spirit if they don’t confess the lordship of jesus Christ or should I say,” believe that jesus came in the flesh to his own"

    This explains explains it best for me;

    1 John 2
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    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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    They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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    But ye have an unction from the Holy One (the massiah), and ye know all things.
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    I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
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    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ (massiah)? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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    Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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    Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
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    And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
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    These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
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    But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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    And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
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    If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.




    So, those that don`t receive Jesus as the redeemer and messiah don’t receive the father and therefore are anti Christs in spirit.

    Isaiah puts it well; (the two are one!! if anyone new who jesus was , it was Isaiah )
    Isaiah 44
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    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

    Hmmm, the king of Israel and “HIS” lord of hosts. Then he goes to call himself the first and the last wich is Jesus title in the n/t and Jehovah’s in the o/t.

    And then states clearly,” and beside me there is no God.”

    The two are one and the same and inseparable.

    To separate them could be false doctrine to and so, could be claimed by the other side that this is what john meant and any one believing that jesus is anything less than god in flesh would make them anti Christ.

    Me however, well it is just another Christian theological doctrine that needs to be looked at from all sides.:D

    Celtic
     
  4. Yauming

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    Um... its 1.27am. And I shouldn't be typing anything now. Forgive my skepticism but the problem about using King Arthur to substantiate one's case is a little too much.

    King Arthur was a Briton king who beat back a Danish invasion. That much is certain.

    But a lot of the King Arthur legend is based of myths and fables taken from all kinds of different European and, yes, Germanic fiction and sources. I'm sorry but its that the point you are trying to get at?

    Cheers,

    YM
     
  5. celtic_crusader

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    actualy , I am glad you asked what my point was before I lost it;)

    this is my point;

    you said to me;


    so, I used the arthur story because it talked about the times when this all took place. if you read my post you will see that I mention other things besides the arthur story to try to make the point.

    which is;

    the false teachings infiltrated the church with the goddess through the roman martha religion and the germanic tribes goddessess and the celtic and druid goddessess.

    that is who mary is in the catholic religion. the goddessess from these tribes around this time.

    I just thaught arthur`s story was a good example of the pagan beliefs of the first 6 centurys since christ that eventualy infiltrated the church..
     
  6. Debbie

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    Catholic bashing on an antichrist thread. Ok I will play. The FACTS are that Catholics are saved & born again because they recieve Christ as their saviour. Do they have to go around saying,"I'm born again" or "I'm saved" in order to BE SAVED? NO. They have to follow CHrist & recieve HIm as their saviour, which they do. Different denominations use different terminology, such as the wof, "I'm annoninted" or, "I read the Bible in the Spirit, not in the flesh". What makes a person saved or born again is not based on the terminology they use. Catholics use Mary as an intercessor for SOME, NOT ALL, of their prayer. The Bible says they dont need an intercessor for prayer, so they are wrong about that need, but that doesnt make them unsaved. Catholics are our brethren & we are not to judge, per scripture.
    The Pope can never be the antichrist because he would not get appointed if he claimed Jesus was not the Christ. Besides that, the end time beast, the antichrist, has an associate called "the false prophet". This means someone who has the gift of prophecy. For example, people you see on TV, or who may have been hired to speak at your church who claim, "I have a word for you from God..." , or "Thus saith the Lord", or "God wants me to tell you..." etc. These are prophets. A false prophet does not have to be an antichrist, he is merely his buddy. A false prophet could have originally recieved their gift from God, then become defiled. Their accuracy has nothing to do with their being a Christian. "for I will never leave you or forsake you". The false prophet serves 2 masters & will eventually fall.
    I bet the false prophet just has to say, "I'm annointed" & show some powers & many will follow him in his following of the antichrist.
    Sorry I cannot remember this man's name, but there was a famous Catholic who had the gift of prophecy hundreds of years ago. He acurrately predicted, thus far, the # & first names of each Pope from that day forward. He has been 100 % so far. His claim is that there will only be one more Pope after our current one.
     
  7. edjones

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    Martin Luther thought it was/is the Pope.
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

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    This Martin Luther, wasn't he one of the reformers? Obviously the Lutherans came from him. They are still kind of Catholic aren't they? I heard that he had some strange ideas. But, I never studied him myself, so it would be just speculation on my part. But I can almost remember someone telling how he was blaming the Jews for Jesus death. If that was true, I sure wouldn't want to follow his teachings.
     
  9. Laverne3

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    It is not commonly known but in the early days of our nation a number of the Christians did not like the Jewish people for that reason, which was stupid. They even in world war two I'm ashamed to say refused boatloads of fleeing Jewish refugees. When it all came out then it changed. We need not forget the Jews are God's chosen people and anyone that is against them our God is against.:) I hope this made since. Smile
     
  10. liafail

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    Revelation 13:7-10 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations........... Here is the patience and the faith of the saints" This man causes all to recieve a mark in the right hand or forehead without which we will be unable to buy or sell.... Watch Gorbechev, and the council of foreign relations move into world government.... Also watch the U.R.(United Religions) - the false prophet. We are about to come under severe persecution, and if you are relying on a pre-trib rapture, then prepare to have your faith tested evenmore so. Check out these people who think this new technology is awesome, and keep in mind that this IS the mark of the beast technology.......www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,50187,00.html
     
  11. rollinTHUNDER

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    Again - FEAR NOT.
    The United Religions and world government don't stand a chance, until the restrainer is removed. Greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
     
  12. Debbie

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    ty Liafail. That was an interesting site. Yeah this could be the prototype for the future mark.
    Rolling Thunder, how do we know when the restrainer has been removed?

    It was not martin luther who predicted the names & numbers of the Popes That I was referring to. The POpe cannot be the antichrist. The antichrist is a politician.
     
  13. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello Debbie,
    It will be very easy to notice this one. When millions of believers disappear or vanish off off the face of the earth, the restrainer (Holy Spirit) will let Satan control the world. The entire world will then be at his mercy, good luck. I don't agree with everything in that Left Behind series.

    The way the book tells it, Christians will be able to hide, and manage to avoid the AC. I think that will be highly unlikely. I think that everyone that refuses the mark will be caught. Satan will be given the power to over come the saints of the tribulation. They will all be martyrs the way I see it, and we're talking millions here. This Anti-christ will make Hitler seem like a choir boy. I believe that He will be able to go through walls, and I think he will have his demons going through walls too. There will be no place to hide. God will be waiting for the very last martyr to come home, and the rest were told to wait a little longer. And even if there was a way to survive, the survivors would not receive immortal bodies. They will be either a sheep or a goat. Then they would live in the millenium in there mortal bodies, and still not be able to enter Gods rest. It would be much better to either get raptured first, or the next best thing would be , to be martyred in the tribulation. The first five virgins get raptured, and then the last five virgins get martyred.
     
  14. liafail

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    the restrainer could be the United States..... The next thing on the porphetic list to occur is the war in which 1/3 of the worlds population will die. (2 billion). The prophecy states that an army of 200 million will launch this war. China boasts to have an army of 200 million soldiers. Wake up America.... the clock is ticking to prepare the way for the grand finale!
     
  15. jbenjesus

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    Wow! :eek:

    I didn't know prophetic scripture said an army of 200 million would launch a war causing 1/3 of the earth's inhabitants to lose their lives.

    Could you show me that prophetic scripture that says this? :confused:

    Or are you pulling our chain? :rolleyes:
     
  16. liafail

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    Revelation 9:13-16 simply states that an army of 200 million soldiers will be involved in a war that will "slay the third part of men." It can be proven that the time of its fulfillment lies immediately ahead, however takes an understanding of the seven trumpets. I highly recommend you visit http://www.soundwaves2000.com/endtime/ for a broadcast on this topic. There are also daily broadcasts which I have found no fault, concerning prophecy and endtime events. Let me know what you think.
     
  17. Debbie

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    (rev 16:19 rev8:7-12 & )rev 9:15&16 shows the army & 1/3 men slayed.
    I cant find ther "restrainer" or the one who restraines. Anyone know where it is?
     
  18. celtic_crusader

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    hey THUNDER,
    the "restrainer"???

    are you talking about 2 thesalonians ch 2 hear???

    celtic.
     
  19. edpobre

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    Debbie,

    We are not bashing Catholics here. What we are bashing is any doctrine that goes AGAINST Christ's and whatever church that teaching comes from.

    The Catholic Church is where the FALSE Trinity doctrine came from. It is also where the FALSE doctrine that Jesus is God came from.

    Unfortunately for the Catholic Church, it is also the fulfillment of the prophecy recorded in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 whee it says that in latter times, some willl DEPART from the faith, giving heed to SEDUCING spirits and TEACHINGS of demons: forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from food.

    A church that teaches FALSE doctrines will not lead anyone to salvation.

    Ed
     
  20. kimanne

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    Ed - Some of us are so quick to judge who has salvation and who does not, and what church will or will not lead people to Christ. If a Catholic believes that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, if they truly believe... salvation is theirs according to my Bible. That's not to say that I agree with all their beliefs, but some areas of belief are not essential to salvation. Those non-essential areas are great for debate, but your harsh, judgemental approach is likely to turn Catholics, as well as other Christians, away. As Christians, I feel it's important not to insert a wedge between us. I don't think you should lose your saltiness, but your saltiness should also contain a more loving approach.
     
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