The 10 Commandments are done away!

[jason1]

I believe the land is symbolic. Anyway, if you want to follow all those OT commands, go ahead but you will miss the spiritual meanings i think.

How can you miss the spiritual meanings if you DO THEM? By not doing them you miss everything (including the possiblity of eternal life)

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 "Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

 

[bugkiller]

How can you miss the spiritual meanings if you DO THEM? By not doing them you miss everything (including the possiblity of eternal life)

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 "Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

So try to scare us by misuse of the Bible.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Blind, blind indeed

OK you got me there. I'll try to be more care full. I must apologize. But then I don't believe the man was doing something with arrogance.

CRAZY, it is all about the heart. Have you even read the torah? Try reading Deu 6:4

Yes I've read the Torah. Why do you have no respect for it using lower case letters? I'm also fully aware of Jesus saying My Father and praying to Him as well as instructing us to address His Father as our Father. Now what?

(6 minutes)

Don't do youtube, so you make no point here.

David paid for his sin. Elohim punished him directly through his two sons.

So what, people suffer for their sin these days as well. That doesn't make anyone righteous.

Paul gets it:

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Do you mean by quoting that verse the Christian is obligated tot he law? Are you simply using the Bible as a quote mine or have you read the rest of Romans, especially chapters 6 and 7?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I assume by code you mean torah?

If so, and you cannot see it all over in those verses, you are spiritually blind. That is not a slam, but a true statement. Torah is thoughout all those verses you posted and all over scripture left and right. From the beginning of the book to the end it says to obey the Father and His words. Any other message is from the pit of hell.

What does I John 3:23 say?

What do the saints do according to the Revelator in 14:12

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You just called Paul a false prophet. You just called Jesus a false messiah. Neither one of them can add to or take away from the torah. (deu 4:2). You don't believe in the words of Elohim.

Say and believe anything you wish.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

All torah laws are still on the books. Not all can be used since we aren't in "the land" yet.

The new covenant is the same laws, but better promises. Maybe you should read psalms 119 for a refresher on how the torah should be thought of.

No the Torah laws aren't on the books.

16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. LK 16

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. JN 1

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

How can you miss the spiritual meanings if you DO THEM? By not doing them you miss everything (including the possiblity of eternal life)

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 "Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

In Leviticus it says love your neighbor as yourself, in Galatians it says that's the entire law, but we don't obey it, there's poor people in the world that don't even have clean water, so none of us loves our neighbor as ourselves.
Leviticus chapter 19 verse 18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.




Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
So I think this is the best we can do.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

 

[jason1]

In Leviticus it says love your neighbor as yourself, in Galatians it says that's the entire law, but we don't obey it, there's poor people in the world that don't even have clean water, so none of us loves our neighbor as ourselves.
Leviticus chapter 19 verse 18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.




Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
So I think this is the best we can do.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

Then it appears galations is saying the same thing and we are in agreement.

THE LAW IS LOVE! Doing torah is love.

 

[Bob S]

The Torah WAS duty. Galatians 3 tell us the Torah was until Jesus. Real love is loving others as Jesus loves us.

 

[disciple1]

Then it appears galations is saying the same thing and we are in agreement.

THE LAW IS LOVE! Doing torah is love.

Then it appears galations is saying the same thing and we are in agreement.

THE LAW IS LOVE! Doing torah is love.

But you don't love your neighbor as yourself and neither do I,no one obeys the law.
There's a billion people in the world without clean water, and there's people poorer than us if we love them as ourselves we'd give up every thing but food shelter and clothes to help them.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
This is the best we can do.
And the more you love the greater your reward is the less you love the less your reward is.

 

[jason1]

no one obeys the law

People can obey the law, just not perfectly. That doen't mean we don't aim to do it our best.

Love's definition is doing the law. By not stealing, murdering, being kind etc, those are all part of the law.

Everybody in the world isn't our neighbor. Its those around you. Help your family first, then your friends, then your community, and once all of those are set, look further out.

 

[disciple1]

People can obey the law, just not perfectly. That doen't mean we don't aim to do it our best.

Love's definition is doing the law. By not stealing, murdering, being kind etc, those are all part of the law.

Everybody in the world isn't our neighbor. Its those around you. Help your family first, then your friends, then your community, and once all of those are set, look further out.

James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Luke 10:25-37New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

 

[jason1]

No problem with that. Just keep the law while you do it and you're golden! "What is written"

 

[disciple1]

No problem with that. Just keep the law while you do it and you're golden! "What is written"

You missed something because everyone sins.

James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[BobRyan]

On the one hand we have this...

It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.
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On the other hand we have this --

SAAN said: ↑
Modern Christian theology is, God cares about every command except the Sabbath, and the only reason it was still being kept in the NT is because those poor souls didnt quite get the memo from Jesus or Paul that they were to stop immediately and have no day or rest at all and now just to worship for a few hours on Sunday morning and that is the whole day of rest. Remember, any part of a day counts as a whole day right...isnt that how you get a good Friday to Sunday morning death to resurrection being equal to 3 days/3 nights lol

Maybe this ^ explains the eternal popularity of this question. Those who keep Sunday neither deny that there is a Sabbath or counsel that one is not to respect the rest, etc. that the Commandment attaches to it.

The "Sabbatarians" want to make out that the rest of us have overthrown the Commandment because of looking at it slightly differently--and quite in accord with God's word on the subject.

But if their approach were applied across the board, we'd have also to say that the rest of the Commandment can have only the meaning or the application specified by their own denomination. Then we'd be arguing over what is murder, exactly. Like those "animal rights" types who think it's hypocritical of us to oppose murder but permit the eating of hamburgers. Maybe it's manslaughter instead of murder? And what precisely counts as honoring one's father and mother, and what isn't good enough to constitute real honor?

Notice that Albion and "2 know him" almost never ever "meet" - yet they argue opposite points so you might expect that now and then they would be "comparing notes" as they post the exact opposite points.

 

[Albion]

I have no idea what you mean by that.

 

[jason1]

You missed something because everyone sins.

I think you have a disconnect going on. Because everyone sins does that mean nobody should try to obey? This is an evil idea.

Obedience is KEY, and when we fail we have an advocate with the Father.

 

[BobRyan]

I have no idea what you mean by that.

Try this -- then compare it to the OP on this thread, the title of the thread, the number of posts from various members in favor of Sunday - against the Sabbath - against the Sabbath commandment entirely.

BobRyan said: ↑
Well I am giving several examples from the first half of this thread - where those opposed to the TEN Commandments -- including the 4th commandment seem to be pretty clear.

I don't agree that most of them did say that.

BobRyan said: ↑

Yet on this board - the great volume of posts against the 7th day SAbbath are also against the Ten Commandments as continued for the saints.

I also don't agree that that's correct. The examples you gave me do not, in most cases, bear our what you're saying here.

BobRyan said: ↑
Put simply - there are two pro-Sunday camps. And the one that is most often heard on this part of the board - opposes the TEN Commandments (by their own statements).

I don't think that's so. If you collect all the statements posted on this subject, you could count which are in each category, I suppose, but the ones you gave me a few posts back absolutely do not verify what you're saying here about them.

I think it is more factual that you and I are "comparing notes" where "we differ" more than you and "2 Know Him" -- you agree with all 7 points of the Westminster Confession of Faith on the subject of the Sabbath and the TEN Commandments. --- I agree with 6 of the 7.... "2 Know Him", BugKiller, BobS and a great many others here oppose ALL 7 points in that list.

Yet it is you and I that meet to discuss differences more than those who differ with you on all 7 points.

 

[Albion]

I think it is more factual that you and I are "comparing notes" where "we differ" more than you and "2 Know Him" -- you agree with all 7 points of the Westminster Confession of Faith on the subject of the Sabbath and the TEN Commandments. --- I agree with 6 of the 7.... "2 Know Him", BugKiller, BobS and a great many others here oppose ALL 7 points in that list.

Yet it is you and I that meet to discuss differences more than those who differ with you on all 7 points.

Yes, but that's because this particular issue is your only heartthrob, isn't it? I mean, you start all these threads and rarely post on anything else; and aside from an echo coming occasionally from your fellow SDAer, hardly anyone else cares.

 

[disciple1]

I think you have a disconnect going on. Because everyone sins does that mean nobody should try to obey? This is an evil idea.

Obedience is KEY, and when we fail we have an advocate with the Father.

1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
This is the best we can do.
And like I said no one loves their neighbor as themselves.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.