Are God's Ten Commandments still valid ??
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Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself
Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."
Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.
Your argument against God's Ten Commandments is in spite of the NT texts above showing the TEN Commandments being quoted - and not "because" of those texts. I think we can all agree on that point.
in Christ,
Bob
Dear bob, I have edited your post, to address the points I am interested in discussing. Since I don't care what Paul taught and only what Jesus taught, I want to address his words primarily.
In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking to the rich young ruler and notice how he takes the 10th commandment and summarizes it up by stating, thou shall love thy neighbor as yourself. In order for someone to become rich, they must be selfish and greedy and take more from others, than they give back and so Jesus, wanting to expose his sins to the rich young ruler, tells him that to be perfect he must treat others as equals and tells him to sell all. The young rule lied, when he said he did all this from his youth. The truth is, he had never treated his neighbor with equality and his conscience cried out: what am I still lacking/missing. Finally Jesus opens his sins up to him and tells him to sell all he has, so he might have treasure in heaven and obtain the prize. Jesus was trying to let him go and deal with his own conscience in private, but the young man pressed more intently to hear from Jesus, so he could gain clarity on getting right with God and when Jesus exposed the problem with the rich young ruler, the young man was very sad.
Woe to you who are rich, you have received your reward.
What I am about to say, you are not ready to hear, on Matthew 5:17-19: but I'll say it anyway.
Jesus' words are his commandments and he is not referring to the commandments of the old testament, but rather his commandments when he says THESE COMMANDMENTS in verse 19.
As I have stated before, verse 17 is very badly written in English and if you look at a few Greek words in Matthew 5:17, you will see it is badly written. Jesus was saying he came to raise the standards of the grazing pasture and not free people from it. It is not a reference to the law but to the moral law that God has which rules mankind. An example of this, is when Jesus said: which of you having an oxen, or an ass, fall into a pit wouldn't help it out, on the Sabbath day? Jesus' argument was accepted by the Pharisees because they knew the purpose of Law was to have the highest good performed. The law is the moral code which man is obligated to follow and that is what Jesus is referencing, when he changes the laws of Moses and usurps them with his words:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you...
Notice this is one of the 10 commandments Jesus is usurping.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you...
Here he does it again.
at 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you...
There is 3 of the 10 commandments that Jesus changes, as he raises the standards and that is exactly what he said he came to do in Matthew 5:17, but the English translators misrepresented His words.
I think it becomes clear that what Jesus was saying in Luke was that the Law and the Prophets ended with John and now Jesus' words, which always where the standard for righteousness, are revealed and there is no more need for them. Jesus establishes the New and everlasting covenant and calls men to repent (embrace his teachings) from their sins
If you are looking for the bible to not contradict itself you are making a big mistake, I can show you many places where Paul contradicts the teachings of not only Christ but himself.
It wouldn't be right for me to make the statement I just did without me proving it so here is the proof:
Paul says: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good..." (Romans 13:1-4)
Jesus stated: "But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony "against" them". (Matthew 10:17,18)
Jesus clearly said that his followers where to be brought up before Kings and Governors for a testimony "against" them, not for them, and yet Paul speaks against Jesus' words, saying: "governments are ministers of God"; who is right: Jesus or Paul?
"But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." (Romans 13:4)
Jesus states that if you don't forgive men their sins, God won't forgive you yours; yet Paul gives men an exemption to kill others, against Jesus teachings on forgiveness.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Isn't forgiveness a work? Yes, it is. Jesus stated: if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven.
Are we saved by our works? Absolutely, according to Jesus we are, unless you don't believe Jesus.
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." (Matthew 16:27)
"But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise... The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:6,8-11,13)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that "doeth" the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many miracles? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that "work" iniquity.
(Matthew 7:21-23)
Paul stated: "I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some". (1Corinthians 9:22) Can you imagine Jesus making the statement above? No, Jesus called men to repent, to turn from their sins to do good. It becomes clear why Paul made some of the statements he did, when one considers his words above.
Now will you accept Paul or Jesus' words, that is the real question. Unfortunately the church as a whole as clearly rejected Jesus with it new gospel message that cancels out almost everything Jesus says as it has embraced Paul instead.
To deny the contradictions one must become blind to either Jesus' or Paul's words.
