The 10 Commandments are done away!

[bugkiller]

Jason it remains you only referenced Num 15 and no specific v.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Can we ignore these texts - so that we can bow to the man-made-tradition that argues against God's Commandments???


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

or this --??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty


or this?

Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.





----or this?

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete

or this ---


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31



1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

Christ said

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


or this - ??
Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


or this??

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

or this?
Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

or this??

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10



====================================== if so then consider this -

Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

"First commandment" in WHAT unit of LAW ?? The unit that includes the Sabbath.

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10



So then you "did not read" Romans 8???


HERE is where we find war against God's Ten Commandments
(on the part of SOME)
Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Bob the law only regulates the actions of the flesh and has nothing to do with the heart. You're trying to require people to physically keep the 4th commandment in the flesh. You're contention and that of your religious organization is those who don't physically keep the Sabbath don't have salvation.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

"LAW AND the PROPHETS" is the entirety of scripture known to the NT saints at the time of Christ. Those who bend that text to "delete all of scripture" simply have not thought this through. Christ was NOT deleting all of scripture folks! -- read the Gospels!!

Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"

The wild speculation that Christ came to delete all of scripture -- is a bending of that text that few can take seriously.

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3 easy questions --


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ said "it is a big deal" in Mark 7


1. Question 1 -- In your view - is Christ in Error in Mark 7??

2. Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.

3. Question 3: Heb 8:6-10 NEW COVENANT "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 ---> what LAW did Jeremiah and his readders know about as being God's LAW?

hint: It includes the LAW of God known to the authors of the "Baptist Confession of Faith", "The Westminster Confession of Faith", D.L. Moody, R.C. Sproul, Matthew Henry, C.H. Spurgeon, Andy Stanley)

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What "LAW" condemns all the entire world in Rom 3:19-21 AND YET is "ESTABLISHED by our faith"??


Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

"do we then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Yes and Rom 6:14 and 15 both say we're not under the law. Rom 7 says we're delivered from the law in v 6.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wait, you are trying to say we should stone people to death for their sins and that the 5 books of Moses are the perfect law of God and you justify how the law is not perfect and how men are justified and forgiven which the writings of Moses don't account for, WHICH IS IT? Moses' law does not allow for David to be forgiven, actually it demands that he be stoned to death. So I guess God breaks his own law and then makes a covenant with a man that has absolutely no atonement possibilities under the Laws of Moses, and says He will establish this lawbreakers throne forever and you think it is Moses' law that is what Jesus kept and was preaching? I'm sorry but you have to see how laughable that is.

Yeah they just don't think about what hey say.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You are correct that there is no sacrifice for willful sins in the levitical system. Yet we see examples of the patriarchs sinning and then repenting (david is a great example). Read Ezekiel 18 and see how sins are dealt with.

Then we come to the NT and I do believe Jesus takes care of willful sins. When we turn to Hebrews 10 we see this:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins.
Heb 10:27 but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour?

Sounds like we better keep the law even more perfectly now since Jesus only dies once for us. Willful sin from here on out is trampling on his blood.

I don't believe you fully comprehend what you're doing I promoting the law over grace.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

Jason it remains you only referenced Num 15 and no specific v.

Blind, blind indeed

Bob the law only regulates the actions of the flesh and has nothing to do with the heart.

CRAZY, it is all about the heart. Have you even read the torah? Try reading Deu 6:4

Yes and Rom 6:14 and 15 both say we're not under the law. Rom 7 says we're delivered from the law in v 6.

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Yeah they just don't think about what hey say.

David paid for his sin. Elohim punished him directly through his two sons.

I don't believe you fully comprehend what you're doing I promoting the law over grace.

Paul gets it:

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[disciple1]

How does that have any effect on what "works of the law" means? There was judaism all over the place.

No were in these verses does it say to learn code.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

 

[jason1]

No were in these verses does it say to learn code.

I assume by code you mean torah?

If so, and you cannot see it all over in those verses, you are spiritually blind. That is not a slam, but a true statement. Torah is thoughout all those verses you posted and all over scripture left and right. From the beginning of the book to the end it says to obey the Father and His words. Any other message is from the pit of hell.

 

[Extraneous]

Blind, blind indeed



CRAZY, it is all about the heart. Have you even read the torah? Try reading Deu 6:4

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David paid for his sin. Elohim punished him directly through his two sons.



Paul gets it:

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

You video is right in that we are not under the law of sin and death, however thats not all that Paul teaches us. We are also not under the law of Moses either. See Galatians 5 and notice that he says we are free. He means we are free from the law of Moses. Paul teaches us about works of the flesh and he teaches us to flee from those things and instead sow to the spirit (Galatians 6). We have freedom but we still have spiritual rules of conduct. We can find much guidance from commands given by Christ and His apostles. Christ gave many commands, such as not storing treasure on earth but in heaven. That command in my opinion is among the greatest that we can follow, and its about reaping what we sow. Its not about all that false prosperity doctrine that prosperity preachers teach, but it is about reaping spiritual sight, in my opinion.

 

[jason1]

You video is right in that we are not under the law of sin and death, however thats not all that Paul teaches us. We are also not under the law of Moses either. See Galatians 5 and notice that he says we are free. He means we are free from the law of Moses. Paul teaches us about works of the flesh and he teaches us to flee from those things and instead sow to the spirit (Galatians 6). We have freedom but we still have spiritual rules of conduct. We can find much guidance from commands given by Christ and His apostles. Christ gave many commands, such as not storing treasure on earth but in heaven. That command in my opinion is among the greatest that we can follow, and its about reaping what we sow. Its not about all that false prosperity doctrine that prosperity preachers teach, but it is about reaping spiritual sight, in my opinion.

You just called Paul a false prophet. You just called Jesus a false messiah. Neither one of them can add to or take away from the torah. (deu 4:2). You don't believe in the words of Elohim.

 

[Extraneous]

You just called Paul a false prophet. You just called Jesus a false messiah. Neither one of them can add to or take away from the torah. (deu 4:2). You don't believe in the words of Elohim.

They didn't take away from it at all. Those laws in the OT are fulfilled spiritually in the Kingdom. Are you saying we must be circumcised? Or kill an adulterer? God Himself has said:

Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says theLord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

 

[jason1]

All torah laws are still on the books. Not all can be used since we aren't in "the land" yet.

The new covenant is the same laws, but better promises. Maybe you should read psalms 119 for a refresher on how the torah should be thought of.

 

[Extraneous]

All torah laws are still on the books. Not all can be used since we aren't in "the land" yet.

The new covenant is the same laws, but better promises. Maybe you should read psalms 119 for a refresher on how the torah should be thought of.

I love Psalm 119.


Psalm 119:18 Open my eyes, that I may see
Wondrous things from Your law.


Mathew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

The Lamp of the Body
22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!


Mathew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hearit.

The Parable of the Sower Explained
18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower:

 

[Extraneous]

BTW, the land that is mentioned in scripture, in the prophets, its not found on earth but its the kingdom of Christ itself.

 

[jason1]

BTW, the land that is mentioned in scripture, in the prophets, its not found on earth but its the kingdom of Christ itself.

The "land" is indeed physcial. It is the geographical location of Israel (which never attained its promised borders in full). The kingdom is: The King (yeshua as vassal), The torah (rule of law), The people (Israelites - true believers), and The land (geographical land).

Scripture doesn't say we go to heaven, it says Yeshua comes down to rule and reign for 1000 years. Where do you think that will be?

 

[Extraneous]

The "land" is indeed physcial. It is the geographical location of Israel (which never attained its promised borders in full). The kingdom is: The King (yeshua as vassal), The torah (rule of law), The people (Israelites - true believers), and The land (geographical land).

Scripture doesn't say we go to heaven, it says Yeshua comes down to rule and reign for 1000 years. Where do you think that will be?

A new heaven, a new earth, a new body as well. If you are looking for those things on earth you will be disappointed. Its all spiritual. We are supposed to look for new things, not earthly things.

Philippians
3:7 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

 

[jason1]

That is after the 1000 years. New heaven = new sky. New earth = renewed earth by fire (like noah's day by flood)

Why do you think the earth was created in the first place?

 

[Extraneous]

That is after the 1000 years. New heaven = new sky. New earth = renewed earth by fire (like noah's day by flood)

Why do you think the earth was created in the first place?

We are going to die brother. Why are you worried about that? Our citizenship is in heaven, that's where we are supposed to focus our hearts and minds. You have your heart and mind set in the wrong place, and on the wrong things. John says not to love the world or the things in it, because its all passing away.

 

[jason1]

I never said we won't die. I'm just saying nowhere it says we'll go to heaven.

Being citizens of the kingdom means we are in covenant with the Father and will have eternal life.

Things of the world = man's rule and domain at this time.

What do the meek inherit? Who are the ones taken out of this world? (good guys or bad guys)

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the set-apart Yerushalayim, descending out of the heaven from Elohim,

 

[Extraneous]

I never said we won't die. I'm just saying nowhere it says we'll go to heaven.

Being citizens of the kingdom means we are in covenant with the Father and will have eternal life.

Things of the world = man's rule and domain at this time.

What do the meek inherit? Who are the ones taken out of this world? (good guys or bad guys)

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the set-apart Yerushalayim, descending out of the heaven from Elohim,

I believe the land is symbolic. Anyway, if you want to follow all those OT commands, go ahead but you will miss the spiritual meanings i think.