The 10 Commandments are done away!

[bugkiller]

It is interesting that you claim that hardly anyone cares about your own position -- recall that it is your own 6 points that I am defending. And had you actually read these threads you would find that the 2 or 3 SDA posters on this board - are less than half of those who are trying to defend those 6 points that you 'should' also be defending since they are in fact what you also believe.

My statement was that you have a vast landscape on this area of the board of people opposing all 7 of your points - primarily focused on 6 of them. And you can even come to this "Ten Commandments are done away" thread -- with hardly a peep from you to defend your westminster 7 points in opposition to that OP.

This subject area is as active or more so than any thread on GT. A lot of posts come in every day - opposed to 6 of your 7 points. You leave it to me and few others here to answer for the Westminster Confession of Faith??? Why not have a few of the Westminster-accepting folks come here - defend their own positions and give the rest of us some room to talk about "point 7" where we DO differ with the Westminster document??

(Ok well I did just add a few comments to some of my old threads - so they came up to the top just now - but that is just temporary)

So you continue to argue religion.

bugkiller

 

[Albion]

It is interesting that you claim that hardly anyone cares about your own position

I said that hardly anyone is showing any interest in arguing with you, again and again, about Saturday worship.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I said that hardly anyone is showing any interest in arguing with you, again and again, about Saturday worship.

Pretty much..... as they get tired of trying to find the needle reply in a haystack of spam in his posts.

 

[BobRyan]

I said that hardly anyone is showing any interest in arguing with you, again and again, about Saturday worship.

You need to follow BugKiller, Disciple1, BobS, "2 Know Him" .. and a bunch of other guys a bit more closely if you think nobody is arguing with me daily on this area of the board - taking their stand against the Ten Commandments on this board.

They almost never get to "your topic" which is "not keeping Sabbath on Saturday as God commanded - and instead just bending the commandment to point to Sunday". You cannot simply "imagine reality" for us - look at the actual posts.

-- they are much more interested in attacking all 6 of your other points, declaring the Ten Commandments to be done away (hint see the title of this thread)

- while you imagine that such opposition is not happening - and can all be re-imagined as "keeping Sabbath on Saturday instead of keeping Sabbath on Sunday". Frankly you are the only one on this board even having that conversation. Much less "imagining" that everyone here is discussing that point. Join the conversation as it exists "in real life".

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - his only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!

 

[Sophrosyne]

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - her only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!

I'm not the one imagining a reality in which I'm a "her"..... you are.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry about that oversight - I have corrected the post.

 

[2 know him]

But no one has ever obeyed the law except Christ, and no one ever will, we don't have his strength and that's not what he wants anyway.
Galatians chapter 2
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[

Unfortunately in order to deal with a problem one must break down the problem into its simplest components. Most of the time when people converse they make statements that are based upon assumptions and the assumptions are often wrong and before you can deal with a statement you must deal with the assumption and that assumption often is based upon other assumptions. May I suggest that Jesus did not keep the law of Moses and that is one of the first problems with many peoples version of Jesus and his purpose.

Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Here Jesus clearly is defending contravening Moses' precepts/laws, and not only does he do that, but he is challenged by the following:

John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

If Jesus kept the laws of Moses and was preaching adherence to them, then they would have never asked him "what sayest thou"

Next, Jesus' teachings are very possible to be followed, but most people are confused as to what is expected and what they should be following, it is this that causes many to create a belief system that is not based upon obedience to the teachings of Christ, but rather is based upon theoretical teachings that people are making up, which is not actually based upon Jesus' words. For example: can a person go on killing others and make heaven without stopping the harm of others? I hope your answer is no, but I will take nothing for granted: as I have seen every form of belief system justified by people who claim to believe in Jesus. So want is acceptable as far as sin is concerned? If one sin in unacceptable, doesn't that make all sins unacceptable: on the same bases?

Jesus is heard telling people to go and sin no more often, but why tell people to do something that is not possible?

Jesus went on to say: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31,32

So what was Jesus saying that adhering to his teachings would accomplish? Freedom, but freedom from what?

Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now I know that most people don't believe Jesus' words and thus they teach against his words, but Jesus was very clear: following his words will set one free from sinning.

Now you may have a hard time with believing that it is possible to live without sinning, but Jesus clearly taught it is possible and the question you and others should be asking is: how is it possible? The truth is that most people would rather defend their own beliefs, instead of defending Jesus' words and finding out how it is possible to fulfil the things Jesus taught.

Jesus said: "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. John 7:16,17

Jesus taught that obedience to his teachings would lead people to walking right before God, but through translation and misrepresentation of Jesus' words: confusion has lead people to misrepresent Jesus.

I hope this gives you pause and causes you to rethink that perfection is impossible. The truth is that while perfection is only possible though forgiveness and love, it is not impossible. Forgiveness is only granted and implemented through forgiving. Some may then ask: if it is possible to be perfect, why would one need forgiveness; the question is backwards, the problem is that perfection is only possible through love and love demands forgiveness to be enacted. But them one may state: then God must forgive in order to love. But what if it is our concept of God that falls short? What if God has nothing to do with sending beings into separation with Himself and if our punishment is our own doing and what if separation from our Creator just naturally separates us from life and causes us to endure torment? Some may say that God created Hell, but what if he didn't. What if Hell is an eternal existence just as heaven is and God didn't create them any more than He created Himself. God just is. Heaven and hell just is and separation from heaven and God is just the result of our actions and God is not an enactor at all of any of the consequences, but rather we are the enactor of the consequences. What if this is the case? Words express concepts and it is hard to define God, seeing that we are the finite trying to explain the infinite. In the end we are accountable for our actions and the harm we do we can stop, but we must be committed to understanding how and what causes us to behave the way we do. Emotions cause us to act the way we do, bad emotions cause bad actions and good emotions good actions. I suggest that Jesus' teachings are all about getting us to live and act with good emotions towards others and that we must incorporate forgiveness, love, selflessness, etc. in order to walk the way we were meant to walk and if we fail, we will justify our wrongs and find that that justification will cause us to justify all manner of evil including murder. To me, it is this which has caused our world to become as evil as it has and until we actually stop our evil, harmful behaviour towards others, we will continue to get worse and this, to me, is the sad result of a lack of practical religion, which demands men turn from doing wrongs, in order to fulfil the prayer: "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

 

[Bob S]

You need to follow BugKiller, Disciple1, BobS, "2 Know Him" .. and a bunch of other guys a bit more closely if you think nobody is arguing with me daily on this area of the board - taking their stand against the Ten Commandments on this board.

They almost never get to "your topic" which is "not keeping Sabbath on Saturday as God commanded - and instead just bending the commandment to point to Sunday". You cannot simply "imagine reality" for us - look at the actual posts.

-- they are much more interested in attacking all 6 of your other points, declaring the Ten Commandments to be done away (hint see the title of this thread)

- while you imagine that such opposition is not happening - and can all be re-imagined as "keeping Sabbath on Saturday instead of keeping Sabbath on Sunday". Frankly you are the only one on this board even having that conversation. Much less "imagining" that everyone here is discussing that point. Join the conversation as it exists "in real life".

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - his only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!

you wouldn't lie would you? I bend nothing and I do not"keep" Sunday. Lets get that straight for the last time. Next time I will do some reporting. I am tired of cleaning up after you.

 

[BobRyan]

you wouldn't lie would you? I bend nothing and I do not"keep" Sunday. Lets get that straight for the last time. Next time I will do some reporting. I am tired of cleaning up after you.

Aside from your false accusations "again" what did you actually add to the thread??

And do you really think that your ad hominem false statements - are the sort of thing this board "affirms"??

Please be serious for at least a second.

 

[BobRyan]

I said that hardly anyone is showing any interest in arguing with you, again and again, about Saturday worship.

You need to follow BugKiller, Disciple1, BobS, "2 Know Him" .. and a bunch of other guys a bit more closely if you think nobody is arguing with me daily on this area of the board - taking their stand against the Ten Commandments on this board.

They almost never get to "your topic" which is "not keeping Sabbath on Saturday as God commanded - and instead just bending the commandment to point to Sunday". You cannot simply "imagine reality" for us - look at the actual posts.

-- they are much more interested in attacking all 6 of your other points, declaring the Ten Commandments to be done away (hint see the title of this thread)

- while you imagine that such opposition is not happening - and can all be re-imagined as "keeping Sabbath on Saturday instead of keeping Sabbath on Sunday". Frankly you are the only one on this board even having that conversation. Much less "imagining" that everyone here is discussing that point. Join the conversation as it exists "in real life".

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - his only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!

you wouldn't lie would you? I bend nothing and I do not"keep" Sunday. Lets get that straight for the last time. Next time I will do some reporting. I am tired of cleaning up after you.

Before I report your post - will do you the favor of asking one question -- where in that post of mine to Albion do you see me claiming that you "keep sunday"?????

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, but that's because this particular issue is your only heartthrob, isn't it? I mean, you start all these threads and rarely post on anything else; and aside from an echo coming occasionally from your fellow SDAer, hardly anyone else cares.

It is interesting that you claim that hardly anyone cares about your own position -- recall that it is your own 6 points that I am defending. And had you actually read these threads you would find that the 2 or 3 SDA posters on this board - are less than half of those who are trying to defend those 6 points that you 'should' also be defending since they are in fact what you also believe.

My statement was that you have a vast landscape on this area of the board of people opposing all 7 of your points - primarily focused on 6 of them. And you can even come to this "Ten Commandments are done away" thread -- with hardly a peep from you to defend your westminster 7 points in opposition to that OP.

This subject area is as active or more so than any thread on GT. A lot of posts come in every day - opposed to 6 of your 7 points. You leave it to me and few others here to answer for the Westminster Confession of Faith??? Why not have a few of the Westminster-accepting folks come here - defend their own positions and give the rest of us some room to talk about "point 7" where we DO differ with the Westminster document??

(Ok well I did just add a few comments to some of my old threads - so they came up to the top just now - but that is just temporary)

I said that hardly anyone is showing any interest in arguing with you, again and again, about Saturday worship.

Sadly for that post - I never mention "saturday worship vs sunday as the Sabbath" in my post above - as the main point being discussed on this board.

Because THAT would be your 7th point in the 7 point list. As I stated above it is your first 6 points where most of the the discussion happens and where almost all of them differ with you. They all oppose your first 6 points - but not me. , and not the other pro-Sabbath posts on this board, no matter who posts them.

You leave those 6 points undefended almost entirely in your post -- and nearly every post on this area of the board - no matter to whom -- is against your 6 points -- if it is posted by someone who does not claim to keep the Sabbath -- and we both know it.

 

[bugkiller]

You need to follow BugKiller, Disciple1, BobS, "2 Know Him" .. and a bunch of other guys a bit more closely if you think nobody is arguing with me daily on this area of the board - taking their stand against the Ten Commandments on this board.

They almost never get to "your topic" which is "not keeping Sabbath on Saturday as God commanded - and instead just bending the commandment to point to Sunday". You cannot simply "imagine reality" for us - look at the actual posts.

-- they are much more interested in attacking all 6 of your other points, declaring the Ten Commandments to be done away (hint see the title of this thread)

- while you imagine that such opposition is not happening - and can all be re-imagined as "keeping Sabbath on Saturday instead of keeping Sabbath on Sunday". Frankly you are the only one on this board even having that conversation. Much less "imagining" that everyone here is discussing that point. Join the conversation as it exists "in real life".

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - his only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!

Delighted to make your list. Oh and first too!!!

I just don't have time to hit every thread. I'm enjoying the slower pace these days.

Listen Bob, I'm not against the 10 Cs. I'm a NC Christian to whom they don't apply. The Christian has a different covenant than given to Israel no matter how long you post your partial quote of a sentence from Jeremiah trying to prove the Christian is obligated to the law. Moses says only Israel is obligated to the law. Least you argue the gentile can come under the law, I'll agree with Scripture they can. But upon doing so they are no longer a foreigner but as one born in the land. There are requirements to becoming under the law. To do so one voids salvation according to Gal 5. One hundred percent of your posts are trying to get Christians to forsake grace for the law to possess salvation. Jesus Himself says no. My fondest wish is for you to forsake religion and accept all the Scripture.

There's no salvation in the law. Jesus proves this with the rich young man asking what can I do to secure eternal life. Note the man asked "what can I do?"
The man didn't leave rejoicing because he understood he can't, never did and never will keep the law. This lines up with Scripture. Your claim that you keep the law while willfully violating it every week is proof you don't.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It is interesting that you claim that hardly anyone cares about your own position -- recall that it is your own 6 points that I am defending. And had you actually read these threads you would find that the 2 or 3 SDA posters on this board - are less than half of those who are trying to defend those 6 points that you 'should' also be defending since they are in fact what you also believe.

My statement was that you have a vast landscape on this area of the board of people opposing all 7 of your points - primarily focused on 6 of them. And you can even come to this "Ten Commandments are done away" thread -- with hardly a peep from you to defend your westminster 7 points in opposition to that OP.

This subject area is as active or more so than any thread on GT. A lot of posts come in every day - opposed to 6 of your 7 points. You leave it to me and few others here to answer for the Westminster Confession of Faith??? Why not have a few of the Westminster-accepting folks come here - defend their own positions and give the rest of us some room to talk about "point 7" where we DO differ with the Westminster document??

(Ok well I did just add a few comments to some of my old threads - so they came up to the top just now - but that is just temporary)



Sadly for that post - I never mention "saturday worship vs sunday as the Sabbath" in my post above - as the main point being discussed on this board.

Because THAT would be your 7th point in the 7 point list. As I stated above it is your first 6 points where most of the the discussion happens and where almost all of them differ with you. They all oppose your first 6 points - but not me. , and not the other pro-Sabbath posts on this board, no matter who posts them.

You leave those 6 points undefended almost entirely in your post -- and nearly every post on this area of the board - no matter to whom -- is against your 6 points -- if it is posted by someone who does not claim to keep the Sabbath -- and we both know it.

So why don't you argue with him on his thread? I'd bet it has something to do with control - a vanity issue.

I don't start many threads for this very reason. You side of the fence closes them down by being little, cause they can't win the argument.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

There's no salvation in the law. Jesus proves this with the rich young man asking what can I do to secure eternal life. Note the man asked "what can I do?"
The man didn't leave rejoicing because he understood he can't, never did and never will keep the law. This lines up with Scripture

Mat 7:20 "So then, by their fruits you shall know them –
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 "Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

 

[bugkiller]

Mat 7:20 "So then, by their fruits you shall know them –
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 "Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

You're condemnation ploy doesn't work well here at CF. I have no other clue why you posted this off topic quite.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

You're condemnation ploy doesn't work well here at CF. I have no other clue why you posted this off topic quite.

bugkiller

Its not off topic. It was in reply to you saying this:

There's no salvation in the law. Jesus proves this with the rich young man asking what can I do to secure eternal life. Note the man asked "what can I do?"
The man didn't leave rejoicing because he understood he can't, never did and never will keep the law.

Your interpretation is dead wrong of the rich young ruler. Dead wrong. Hence:

Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

 

[bugkiller]

Its not off topic. It was in reply to you saying this:

Really? I don't connect it at all.

Your interpretation is dead wrong of the rich young ruler. Dead wrong. Hence:

Then I guess Ps 14 and 53 are wrong.

Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

Then you must mean everyone because even you sin (are lawless).

bugkiller

 

[Sophrosyne]

Really? I don't connect it at all.Then I guess Ps 14 and 53 are wrong.Then you must mean everyone because even you sin (are lawless).

bugkiller

And they ignore it when you quote Paul as saying that Gentiles who don't have the Law are a law unto themselves.

 

[jason1]

Gentiles are those "Outside of the covenant". The only way for a gentile to be saved is to bring them "into" the covenant and be part of Israel and her promises. (rom 11)

Rom 8:7 Because the mind of the flesh is enmity towards Elohim, for it does not subject itself to the Torah of Elohim, neither indeed is it able, Footnotes: 1Or does not obey.

 

[Bob S]

You need to follow BugKiller, Disciple1, BobS, "2 Know Him" .. and a bunch of other guys a bit more closely if you think nobody is arguing with me daily on this area of the board - taking their stand against the Ten Commandments on this board.

They almost never get to "your topic" which is "not keeping Sabbath on Saturday as God commanded - and instead just bending the commandment to point to Sunday". You cannot simply "imagine reality" for us - look at the actual posts.

-- they are much more interested in attacking all 6 of your other points, declaring the Ten Commandments to be done away (hint see the title of this thread)

- while you imagine that such opposition is not happening - and can all be re-imagined as "keeping Sabbath on Saturday instead of keeping Sabbath on Sunday". Frankly you are the only one on this board even having that conversation. Much less "imagining" that everyone here is discussing that point. Join the conversation as it exists "in real life".

Sophrosyne also opposes ALL 7 of your points - his only agreement with you is in the area of ad hominem and re-imagining reality from time to time.

Read the actual posts!!



Before I report your post - will do you the favor of asking one question -- where in that post of mine to Albion do you see me claiming that you "keep sunday"?????

in Christ,

Bob

Yes, you did not say I keep Sunday, you said I, along with others, bend the commandment to point to Sunday. This is something I have never done and yes your statement is an indicator that I observe the commandment on Sunday. I ask you to stop writing things that are not true. Yesterday I was feeling bad, having just cut my leg with a chain saw, and allowed my fingers to get ahead of my brain. Just because I do not believe we are under the 10 commandments, Sabbath included, does not mean that I, in any way, reverence Sunday. I write for myself and do not know how the remainder of the group feels.

Now, just where can you find a post of mine that you feel is in violation and needs to be reported? I need to know so that I can make amends.