The 10 Commandments are done away!

[Dkh587]

Right Bob, scripture only tells us that the 10 were temporary. I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Transitory = temporary.

The commandments are forever

Ephesians 6:1-3 KJV

Children, obey your parents in YAH: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

you contradict what Paul is teaching because he was still teaching(and keeping) the commandments/Torah in all of his epistles AFTER the Messiah ascended into heaven.

What was transitory, was the ministry of having the commandments written on stone. This method of administering God's commands ultimately brings and requires death. In the new covenant, the commandments are written on the heart by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit leads us, causes us and brings us into obedience to God's commands, which brings life. Praise & Honor to Yahushua the Messiah

The commandments are now written and administered on the heart in the new covenant, that we are a part of. This is the covenant that has the Torah written on the heart

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my law(Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

More of Paul teaching to obey God's commandments. And he was quoting the Torah


Galatians 5:13-14 KJV

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the Torah is fulfilled in one word(command), even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is the second most important commandment according to Yahushua the Messiah


Mark 12:29-31 KJV

And Yahushua answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; YAH our Elohim, YAH is one: And thou shalt love YAH thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV

Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NIV

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear Elohim and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. For Elohim will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

 

[klutedavid]

Just not in "real life".

In "real life" we have Eph 6:2 telling us that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in that singular unit of "TEN" -- still binding on all mankind.

Such that "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

In that example we see that the LAW of God condemns all mankind as sinners -- just as we see in Romans 3:19-21

I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses
Romans 3
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

For even in the NEW TESTAMENT "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

No wonder then that the Romans 3 chapter as just quoted -- ends with this.

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

Since under the NEW COVENANT - that Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW is "WRITTEN on the heart and mind" instead of "done away" --- instead of "abolished"... instead of "made void".

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD"

Hello Bob.

I noticed you referred to this quotation in this post of yours.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD"

I hope you realize that Paul is stating one of these commandments of God.
Paul repeats this commandment of God, twice in the verses shown below.

1 Corinthians 7
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of
the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

1 Corinthians 7
24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

This is certainly a commandment of God and the text is clear, that this is one of
the commandments.

What I need to know is whether you accept this as a commandment?

 

[Bob S]

The commandments are forever

Ephesians 6:1-3 KJV

What commandments?

you contradict what Paul is teaching because he was still teaching(and keeping) the commandments/Torah in all of his epistles AFTER the Messiah ascended into heaven.

Instead of me arguing with me why not read Gal 3 and 4 and the book of Romans. Paul Surely did write that Torah had been fulfilled and Israel was no longer under Torah. Gentiles never were. When they became Christians you are trying totell us they had to obey Torah? That is insulting to Jesus and is plain hogwash.

What was transitory, was the ministry of having the commandments written on stone. This method of administering God's commands ultimately brings and requires death. In the new covenant, the commandments are written on the heart by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit leads us, causes us and brings us into obedience to God's commands, which brings life. Praise & Honor to Yahushua the Messiah

Either you cannot read or you are twisting scripture to meet your preconceived ideas.

The commandments are now written and administered on the heart in the new covenant, that we are a part of. This is the covenant that has the Torah written on the heart

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

Torah? No one can keep Torah? There is no temple, no Levitical priesthood, no sacrificial system. No place to send your women or your diseased. No one tears down their homes if they become moldy. You have to be kidding. Hebrews tells us:
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said

[Staff edit]

 

[Bob S]

The commandments are forever

See post # 715

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Are you referring to God' moral guidance as being the 10 commandments?

Yes.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Hello Bob.

I noticed you referred to this quotation in this post of yours.

I hope you realize that Paul is stating one of these commandments of God.
Paul repeats this commandment of God, twice in the verses shown below.

1 Corinthians 7
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of
the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

1 Corinthians 7
24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

This is certainly a commandment of God and the text is clear, that this is one of
the commandments.

What I need to know is whether you accept this as a commandment?

this is why Jesus left no doubt as to what the commandments are!

Luke 18:18-20(NKJV)
18Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

so like Jesus said, you know the commandments!

notice also that they are mentioned in connection with inheriting eternal life!

i don't know why people insist on "faking the funk"!

 

[klutedavid]

this is why Jesus left no doubt as to what the commandments are!

Luke 18:18-20(NKJV)
18Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

so like Jesus said, you know the commandments!

notice also that they are mentioned in connection with inheriting eternal life!

i don't know why people insist on "faking the funk"!

Hello John.

Jesus included this commandment also.

Luke 18
22 One thing you still lack, sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor.

Do you deny this is a commandment?

 

[disciple1]

The commandments are forever

Ephesians 6:1-3 KJV


you contradict what Paul is teaching because he was still teaching(and keeping) the commandments/Torah in all of his epistles AFTER the Messiah ascended into heaven.

What was transitory, was the ministry of having the commandments written on stone. This method of administering God's commands ultimately brings and requires death. In the new covenant, the commandments are written on the heart by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit leads us, causes us and brings us into obedience to God's commands, which brings life. Praise & Honor to Yahushua the Messiah

The commandments are now written and administered on the heart in the new covenant, that we are a part of. This is the covenant that has the Torah written on the heart

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV



Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV



More of Paul teaching to obey God's commandments. And he was quoting the Torah


Galatians 5:13-14 KJV


This is the second most important commandment according to Yahushua the Messiah


Mark 12:29-31 KJV



Matthew 5:17-19 KJV




Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NIV

you contradict what Paul is teaching because he was still teaching(and keeping) the commandments/Torah in all of his epistles AFTER the Messiah ascended into heaven.

But Paul wrote here.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst.

 

[bugkiller]

and what are those commandments?

You need to show they are the same as the 10 Cs. You can not from any text.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

ok, let's just go to the "video tape"!

Hebrews 7:12(NKJV)
12For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

the priesthood was changed and the law that pertained to it! and on top of that, it said change and not "do away with"!

you do understand that the COI received the priesthood and it's laws about year after they received the covenant law - ex 40:1,17, heb 7:11?

heb 7:16 even tells us what kind of law it's talking about, (i'm surprised you didn't see that )

it's funny how everyone gets all of that mixed up!

hebrews 7 is sometimes referred to as the "priesthood" chapter and it's really about the change in the tithing law!

Heb 7:12 shows without a doubt the law is changed (read replaced).

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If God's moral guidance were done away Jesus himself would have said so. Instead when asked he reiterated God's moral guidelines.

Jesus gave a different and easier way of moral guidance.

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[bugkiller]

The "ten commandments are done away" is a great phrase -- for those who believe that doctrine -- but it is not found anywhere in the Bible.

So when those who believe in such a doctrine promote it... they "quote themselves" as their source text for that phrase.

But from your posts we easily gather you don't accept the Scripture either.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The 10 were guidelines for Israel. Israel as a totalitarian nation and the old covenant are defunct. Jesus gave us as our guide the Holy Spirit. Choose today what you will follow, the guidance of the Holy Spirit or Bob and his defunct 10 commandments.

Yes it is correct to say "his defunct 10 commandments" as well as the law because "his commandments" are really a rewrite or amended version of the original. That way he can keep them.

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[Dkh587]

But Paul wrote here.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst.

Paul took a vow to prove he taught & kept Torah, due to false accusations against him of teaching against living according to the Torah(law)

Acts 21:20-24 KJV

And when they heard it, they glorified YAH, and said unto him(Sha'ul, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Yahudim(Jews) there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah:

And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Yahudim(Jews) which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Torah.

Notice also, Paul was keeping the Torah, taking vows, and also observing Shabbat & the feast says after the Messiah went up to Heaven. If the law was done away with, why would he still be keeping the commands to observe the feast days? He also taught them. The false accusation was that he taught to forsake the law of Moses, which is really God's law, given through Moses. He took the vow to prove those were lies.

Elizabeth and Zechariah were righteous and kept God's commandments blamelessly

Luke 1:5-6 NIV

In the time of Herod king of Yahudah there was a priest named Zechariyah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abiyah; his wife Elisheba was also a descendant of Aharon. Both of them were righteous in the sight of Elohim, observing all the commands and decrees of YAH blamelessly.

 

[bugkiller]

Nice

"Bible details matter..."

And we shall see how that works.

To which I rell you again the complete details are not included in either if those references. Read the Gospels, especially John and Acts. Neither Rom 11 nor Eph 2 indicated the Christian is graft into or becomes a part of Israel.

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[bugkiller]

this is why Jesus left no doubt as to what the commandments are!

Luke 18:18-20(NKJV)
18Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

so like Jesus said, you know the commandments!

notice also that they are mentioned in connection with inheriting eternal life!

i don't know why people insist on "faking the funk"!

Where does Jesus say these are His commandments? If course you well know I refer to Jn 15:10.

bugkiller

 

[SnowyMacie]

It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The term "Christ" represents "the King of the Jews":
"Where is he that is born "King of the Jews"? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where "Christ" should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come "a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel".

Notice how Herod uses the term Christ synonymously with the term King of the Jews and how the chief priest and scribes respond to Herod's question of where the Christ is to be born (In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come "a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel"). It is clear that the term "Christ" was used to reference the anointed Heir to David's throne, the Messiah: the rightful heir to Rule God's people. If you are going to have a proper relationship with Jesus, you must relate to him as your Ruler: in obedience.

The 10 Commandments are absolutely done away as Jesus' Rule replaced the 10 Commandments.

The law is not a reference to the Torah, almost always the law is a reference to mankind's obligation to live right before God on any moral plain of existence. I know many of you that believe the Torah is still relevant are screaming inside yourself but let me ask you this question: why don't you stone adulterers to death as Moses commanded in the Torah?

For those of you that believe Paul's writings are inspired of God, why don't you believe Paul:

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (what was written and engraved in stones? THE 10 COMMANDMENTS), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory (This is a reference to the 10 Commandments being the ministration of condemnation), much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious (Paul clearly is saying the 10 commandments are DONE AWAY), much more that which remaineth is glorious.

This isn't the only place Paul addresses this

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Paul says the first Covenant leads to bondage)
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (The Law) and her son (And those who follow it): for the son of the bondwoman (those who follow the law) shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (those who follow Christ).
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman (those who follow the law), but of the free.

Matthew 5:17 is very poorly written in English. Jesus was saying that he came to raise the standards of the law, not to lower them, but he didn't preach the Torah. If you think salvation is in the 10 commandments you have totally missed Jesus message: Jesus raised the standards of the law and replaced its teachings with a higher set of rules.

Except for the fact that all of the Ten Commandments are reiterated the New Testament.

Here's a good summary a site has...
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html

 

[disciple1]

Paul took a vow to prove he taught & kept Torah, due to false accusations against him of teaching against living according to the Torah(law)

Acts 21:20-24 KJV


Notice also, Paul was keeping the Torah, taking vows, and also observing Shabbat & the feast says after the Messiah went up to Heaven. If the law was done away with, why would he still be keeping the commands to observe the feast days? He also taught them. The false accusation was that he taught to forsake the law of Moses, which is really God's law, given through Moses. He took the vow to prove those were lies.

Elizabeth and Zechariah were righteous and kept God's commandments blamelessly

Luke 1:5-6 NIV

But Paul wrote here.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst.
What are you saying some of the bible is false some isn't.
No law makes anything perfect, only love does.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

[bugkiller]

[Staff edit]

The letters of Paul and Acts 15 show that the Apostles did not teach Christians should keep or obligated to the law.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

[Staff edit]

No law makes anything perfect anyway, the only thing that can is love, the bible says twice God is love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.