The 10 Commandments are done away!

[JohnRabbit]

Sopsen ya tell me.

just go back a read my post #700! (read it this time. )

 

[klutedavid]

yes i do!

Jesus was simply answering the man's question.

if this were a command we'd see evidence of the church doing this and we simply don't.

Hello John.

You need to read that text again very carefully.

Whether or not a church practices the Lord's commandments, has nothing to do
with our discussion.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Hello John.

You need to read that text again very carefully.

Whether or not a church practices the Lord's commandments, has nothing to do
with our discussion.

i think you can see the point i was trying to make.

 

[W2L]

if this were a command we'd see evidence of the church doing this and we simply don't.

Yes we do.

Acts 4:32-37

 

[JohnRabbit]

Yes we do.

Acts 4:32-37

good point!

 

[klutedavid]

[Staff edit]

all of the Israelites weren't wicked

The Israelites were not given the law because they were good folk.

The law is for the wicked, that is what the law is all about!

 

[bugkiller]

all of the Israelites weren't wicked. God has always had a small remnant amongst his people. Remember, only Joshua and Caleb were the only 2 who went into the promised land(Israel) from their generation.

Even with verse 3, we know it's talking about unbelievers. Fools. Because in the following verses, it tells us that God is with the righteous. This means there are 2 groups of people being discussed. The fool who doesn't believe, and the righteous whom God is with.

No sale

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

[Staff edit]

Okay Van..., do you observe the Seventh-day Sabbath? My Nazarene friends observe Sunday. If You believe we are under the covenant given only to Israel then You are obligated to observe the 7th day. Which is it friend?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Okay Van..., do you observe the Seventh-day Sabbath? My Nazarene friends observe Sunday. If You believe we are under the covenant given only to Israel then You are obligated to observe the 7th day. Which is it friend?

If you believe Jesus when he reiterated the ten commandments was only speaking to the Jews, then it stands to connection that Jesus was only here to save the Jews to whom he reiterated that which you say was a covenant given only to Israel.

Since neither of us identify as Jews your question is not applicable friend.

 

[Dkh587]

The Israelites were not given the law because they were good folk.

The law is for the wicked, that is what the law is all about!

God has always had a small remnant of people. It is because of God's grace that the remnant has remained faithful

Look what Paul wrote

Romans 11:1-7 NLT

I ask, then, has Elohim rejected his own people, the nation of Israel? Of course not! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham and a member of the tribe of Benjamin. No, Elohim has not rejected his own people, whom he chose from the very beginning. Do you realize what the Scriptures say about this? Eliyah the prophet complained to Elohim about the people of Israel and said, “YAH, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me, too.” And do you remember Elohim's reply? He said, “No, I have 7,000 others who have never bowed down to Baal!” It is the same today, for a few of the people of Israel have remained faithful because of Elohim's grace(favor)—his undeserved kindness in choosing them. And since it is through Elohim's kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, Elohim's grace would not be what it really is—free and undeserved. So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of Elohim they are looking for so earnestly. A few have—the ones Elohim has chosen—but the hearts of the rest were hardened.

 

[Bob S]

For those who are misconceived stating we Christians are under Torah I would like to inform you that Only Israel was given Torah(the Mosaic covenant) Gentiles were never required to observe Torah. Jesus never required Gentiles to observe Torah. Since God the Father and God the Son has never required Gentiles to observe Torah just where do you get the authority to tell us we are all the terrible things you have come up with for not believing your brand of Christianity?

All laws dealing with morality are forever. Yes, Jesus named some as did all the writers of the New Testament. The idea that because Paul mentioned Honor our parents and Jesus mentioned some do not, in any way, mean we are under the ritual laws of the old covenant. Sabbath was a ritual law, Morality lass deal with God, ourselves and our fellow man. Jesus never mentioned that Gentiles had to observe Torah.

 

[Dkh587]

For those who are misconceived stating we Christians are under Torah I would like to inform you that Only Israel was given Torah(the Mosaic covenant) Gentiles were never required to observe Torah. Jesus never required Gentiles to observe Torah. Since God the Father and God the Son has never required Gentiles to observe Torah just where do you get the authority to tell us we are all the terrible things you have come up with for not believing your brand of Christianity?

All laws dealing with morality are forever. Yes, Jesus named some as did all the writers of the New Testament. The idea that because Paul mentioned Honor our parents and Jesus mentioned some do not, in any way, mean we are under the ritual laws of the old covenant. Sabbath was a ritual law, Morality lass deal with God, ourselves and our fellow man. Jesus never mentioned that Gentiles had to observe Torah.

You can't have it both ways. You say Paul taught that 10 commandments were done away with, yet you also acknowledge him teaching the 10 commandments. [Staff edit]

 

[Bob S]

If you believe Jesus when he reiterated the ten commandments was only speaking to the Jews, then it stands to connection that Jesus was only here to save the Jews to whom he reiterated that which you say was a covenant given only to Israel.

Since neither of us identify as Jews your question is not applicable friend.

Where did Jesus "reiterate" the 10?

Do you observe the Israelite Sabbath? Are you for some reason avoiding my question?

 

[Bob S]

You can't have it both ways. You say Paul taught that 10 commandments were done away with, yet you also acknowledge him teaching the 10 commandments.

[Staff edit] Where did I write Paul taught the 10 commandments. Paul taught morality. [Staff edit]

 

[Dkh587]

Where did I write Paul taught the 10 commandments. Paul taught morality.

You said "Paul mentioned to love your mother and farther".

Paul wrote it and mentioned it because he was teaching it. It really goes without saying. We don't need to jump through hoops and hurdles to understand that Paul was teaching part of the 10 commandments in Ephesians 6. The scripture speaks for itself.

Btw, Paul taught morality because he taught God's commandments. God and his laws, statutes and commandments are moral.

 

[klutedavid]

If you believe Jesus when he reiterated the ten commandments was only speaking to the Jews, then it stands to connection that Jesus was only here to save the Jews to whom he reiterated that which you say was a covenant given only to Israel.
Since neither of us identify as Jews your question is not applicable friend.

Hello VS.

One hundred percent correct, Jesus came to save the Jews!

The Jews in the scripture are always first.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation
for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Jesus was speaking directly to the Jews when discussing the law. If you can
understand this fact, then you are on your way to understanding the full revelation
of the Christ.

 

[bugkiller]

You said "Paul mentioned to love your mother and farther".

Paul wrote it and mentioned it because he was teaching it. It really goes without saying. We don't need to jump through hoops and hurdles to understand that Paul was teaching part of the 10 commandments in Ephesians 6. The scripture speaks for itself.

Btw, Paul taught morality because he taught God's commandments. God and his laws, statutes and commandments are moral.

You present Paul as a double minded false prophet. Paul said But now we are delivered from the law... He also said numerous time we are not under the law.

bugkiller

 

[Dkh587]

You present Paul as a double minded false prophet. Paul said But now we are delivered from the law... He also said numerous time we are not under the law.

bugkiller

[Staff edit]

I never said we are under law. Obviously being "under law" does not mean you aren't supposed to obey the law(including but not limited to the 10 commandments, sabbath, feasts & the food laws), because Paul & the apostles kept the law after the Messiah ascended. In fact, Paul took a vow from Torah to prove he kept the law in Acts 21

We are delivered from the penalty of the law. We are not delivered from obeying God's 10 commandments, and the rest of the Torah.

Remember, in the new covenant, the Torah is written on the heart, and the Holy Spirit leads us and causes us to obey His Torah(commandments)


Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[klutedavid]

I never said we are under law. Obviously being "under law" does not mean you aren't supposed to obey the law(including but not limited to the 10 commandments, sabbath, feasts & the food laws), because Paul & the apostles kept the law after the Messiah ascended. In fact, Paul took a vow from Torah to prove he kept the law in Acts 21

We are delivered from the penalty of the law. We are not delivered from obeying God's 10 commandments, and the rest of the Torah.

Remember, in the new covenant, the Torah is written on the heart, and the Holy Spirit leads us and causes us to obey His Torah(commandments)Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV

Hello Dkh.

Trying to understand what you wrote.

I never said we are under law. Obviously being "under law" does not mean
you aren't supposed to obey the law

I would assume that not being under the law means, that one is not required to obey
the law.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello VS.

One hundred percent correct, Jesus came to save the Jews!

The Jews in the scripture are always first.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation
for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Jesus was speaking directly to the Jews when discussing the law. If you can
understand this fact, then you are on your way to understanding the full revelation
of the Christ.

Hello VS.

Here are some more verses that spell out that Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles,
and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house
of Israel.

Matthew 15
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Mark 7
26 Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon
out of her daughter. 27 And He was saying to her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to
take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 28 But she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, but
even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.”

Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 2
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of
the Greek

Romans 2
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.