The 10 Commandments are done away!

[Bob S]

I agree there are more than just 10 commands that define sin, but this is topic of this thread so that is where I started.

You asked and I answered as the Holy Spirit gives me the truth.

In John, love is not a new commandment given, but a refreshed one. The command comes from:

I am certainly glad that i am not setting at your feet allowing you to give me truth. If that was not a nwe commandment why did Jesus say it was? You are making Jesus a liar. Lets go over the command again. .Love others as I have loved you. Do you see that command in Leviticus? Of course not. I might remind you that you are not debating with a novist. I have been around the block before. Parroting others may not be the best way to spread truth

Lev 19:17 ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbour, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.
Lev 19:18 ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.

Secondly, the sabbath was not just given to Israel (although the mosaic covenant was). Sabbath was from creation.

I see that you didn't quote scripture, you are once again parroting others.

That being said, you must be part of israel to be in covenant with the Creator. Joining yourself to them is the only path of salvation because only they have the promises. Show me where gentiles have a different covenant if you disagree.

How about providing scripture. Why would anyone want to attach themselves to a failed nation?

You are also wrong about there being no love in the 10 commandments. They are all about love.

They are all about duty, nothing about love. Read them again. Love for others is found in the book of the law as you previously pointed out.

Love is not a feeling but a dedication to your Creator and your fellow man.

Love is both feeling and a desire to to be kind (agape).
1. the love of God or Christ for humankind.
2. the love of Christians for other persons, corresponding to the love of God for humankind.
3. unselfish love of one person for another without sexual implications; brotherly love.

The 10 are the basis on which love is founded.

I agree that nine of them are a good start. There are hundreds of rules that were not included on the stone tablets.

Blasphemy, arrogance, incest, plural marriage,slander, indecency, pride, envy, gluttony, violent speech, hypocrisy and many many more that are not part of the 10.

 

[bugkiller]

Bug Killer, can you post the verses citing what the new covenant is and who it is made with please? You can use either Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8

Ah, so you know them? Do you know and accept the testimony of the book of Acts for starters? Then I must ask you if you accept all the prophets of the OT? Oh yeah - do you also believe all the Gospels?

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Bug Killer, can you post the verses citing what the new covenant is and who it is made with please? You can use either Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8

i am not BK, but the following is something I just gleaned from https://www.gci.org/law/nutshell

"Jesus Christ is the basis of the new covenant, the bond of friendship that God has given us. We can accept this or reject it. Because he loves us with indescribable love, he urges us to accept it — to put our faith, our trust, in Jesus Christ—to trust him with our lives, and to accept him as our only means of salvation.


All this is a gift—it is not something we could ever earn. If we look at what we deserve, we deserve to be alienated from God and therefore separated from the joy of knowing him and participating in his eternal blessings. But the good news is that we don’t have to be alienated—Christ has already reconciled us. We can live forever enjoying harmony with God because of Jesus Christ, because of what he did for us in his death and resurrection.


Our salvation — being rescued from destruction and restored as favored friends and children of God — depends entirely on Jesus Christ. He is the basis of this great rescue. Accepting him is the one requirement that God makes as the basis of this magnificent agreement we call the new covenant.


Accepting Jesus is not a work that we perform in order to meet the conditions of the contract, so to speak—it is simply an intrinsic part of enjoying what God is giving us. In one respect, we have already been brought into a new relationship with God—our choice is whether to enjoy it, or resist it. When we enjoy a beautiful sunset, our joy has nothing to do with our skill, and we certainly have not earned the joy—that is simply the appropriate response.


If we believe the good news and trust in Jesus, then we are experiencing a right relationship with God (and all the responsibilities and privileges that go with that right relationship). Jesus Christ is the core of the new covenant. That is why he must always be the center of our church, our preaching, our proclamation and our personal lives."

Amen!

 

[jason1]

I am certainly glad that i am not setting at your feet allowing you to give me truth. If that was not a nwe commandment why did Jesus say it was? You are making Jesus a liar. Lets go over the command again. .Love others as I have loved you. Do you see that command in Leviticus? Of course not. I might remind you that you are not debating with a novist. I have been around the block before. Parroting others may not be the best way to spread truth.

You have a lot to quote which is troublesome to do, so lets start with this statement above. There are multiple problems with it. The first is that "loving your brother as yourself" is in the leviticus verse I quoted and is indeed not new. By trying to twist it into something different is error. Which leads us to the second problem: Jesus can not add to or take away from the law (which, yes, includes the sabbath). This law is found in Deu 4:2 and in Deu 12:32:

Deu 12:32 “All the words I am commanding you, guard to do it – do not add to it nor take away from it.

If you said Jesus broke this law then you just made him the liar, a deceiver, a sinner, and thus not the perfect lamb. Think this through really hard to see the truth of what was just said.

How about providing scripture. Why would anyone want to attach themselves to a failed nation?

Romans 11 is all about this sir

 

[jason1]

i am not BK, but the following is something I just gleaned from https://www.gci.org/law/nutshell

"Jesus Christ is the basis of the new covenant, the bond of friendship that God has given us. We can accept this or reject it. Because he loves us with indescribable love, he urges us to accept it — to put our faith, our trust, in Jesus Christ—to trust him with our lives, and to accept him as our only means of salvation.


All this is a gift—it is not something we could ever earn. If we look at what we deserve, we deserve to be alienated from God and therefore separated from the joy of knowing him and participating in his eternal blessings. But the good news is that we don’t have to be alienated—Christ has already reconciled us. We can live forever enjoying harmony with God because of Jesus Christ, because of what he did for us in his death and resurrection.


Our salvation — being rescued from destruction and restored as favored friends and children of God — depends entirely on Jesus Christ. He is the basis of this great rescue. Accepting him is the one requirement that God makes as the basis of this magnificent agreement we call the new covenant.


Accepting Jesus is not a work that we perform in order to meet the conditions of the contract, so to speak—it is simply an intrinsic part of enjoying what God is giving us. In one respect, we have already been brought into a new relationship with God—our choice is whether to enjoy it, or resist it. When we enjoy a beautiful sunset, our joy has nothing to do with our skill, and we certainly have not earned the joy—that is simply the appropriate response.


If we believe the good news and trust in Jesus, then we are experiencing a right relationship with God (and all the responsibilities and privileges that go with that right relationship). Jesus Christ is the core of the new covenant. That is why he must always be the center of our church, our preaching, our proclamation and our personal lives."

Amen!

You state that the only thing required is to accept him? I agree, but not in the same way as you. I would like to ask you, "Who is Jesus" and "What was His message"? I'd also like for you to quote what the new covenant actually is according to scripture. Accepting Jesus isn't stated in it (although he plays a part).

 

[2 know him]

Ok let me get this straight. You think Jesus came to enable us to:

1. Worship other deities
2. Bow to statues
3. Blaspheme the Creator's name
4. Break the sabbath and not rest
5. Dishonor our parents
6. To murder people
7. To commit adultury
8. To steal
9. To bear false witness
10. To cover our neighbors stuff, especially his wife.

Is this really what some christians think? If so I fear their father is actually the devil... Either that or the Jesus they follow is the devil. The true messiah would never lead anyone away from His Father's Words.

Okay if you read the whole post through you might have come to this statement: "Jesus raised the standards of the law and replaced its teachings with a higher set of rules."

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Does that sould like a lowering of the standards of Righteousness? Jesus said the 10 Commandments are not enough: why are you trying to exalt something Jesus stated was too low of a standard?

Has anyone else ever noticed how people claim Jesus' words are too high a standard and they say it is impossible to follow his words and then those same people will tell you that the 10 commandments are still valid? Why is it that Jesus' words are too hard, except to justify not obeying his words.

 

[2 know him]

Bug Killer, can you post the verses citing what the new covenant is and who it is made with please? You can use either Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8

It is made with the wicked:

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

 

[Bob S]

You have a lot to quote which is troublesome to do, so lets start with this statement above.

You don't have to answer my posts if it is "troublesome", no one is standing over you twisting your arm.

There are multiple problems with it. The first is that "loving your brother as yourself" is in the leviticus verse I quoted and is indeed not new. By trying to twist it into something different is error.

No problem my friend. I did not write that lev 19:18 was new. I wrote: John 15:12 is a new command. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Is there any verse in the old covenant that equals Jesus command? Absolutely no. Can you imagine how much Jesus loves each of us? He laid down His life for us. Do you love people you do not know, people that persecute you, enough to lay down your life for them?

Which leads us to the second problem: Jesus can not add to or take away from the law (which, yes, includes the sabbath). This law is found in Deu 4:2 and in Deu 12:32:

Jesus is God. God can do anything He wants. God broke the Sabbath all during the time it was in effect. Jn5: 16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Deu 12:32 “All the words I am commanding you, guard to do it – do not add to it nor take away from it.

Is that all you have to offer in your defense? Do you see the word "God" in that sentence. How about getting real.

If you said Jesus broke this law then you just made him the liar, a deceiver, a sinner, and thus not the perfect lamb. Think this through really hard to see the truth of what was just said.

Again, Jesus is God. What did He add to the law in Matt 5
Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca, is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Need I go on?

Romans 11 is all about this sir

Sure is and if I were you I would read it again. Israel failed as God's chosen. Why would we be grafted into Israel. Jews are grafted into the tree just as gentiles are. The tree is God not Israel. You have been taught by someone who does not know the real truth. God provides the nourishment for the branches not Israel.[/QUOTE]

 

[jason1]

Okay if you read the whole post through you might have come to this statement: "Jesus raised the standards of the law and replaced its teachings with a higher set of rules."

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Does that sould like a lowering of the standards of Righteousness? Jesus said the 10 Commandments are not enough: why are you trying to exalt something Jesus stated was too low of a standard?

Has anyone else ever noticed how people claim Jesus' words are too high a standard and they say it is impossible to follow his words and then those same people will tell you that the 10 commandments are still valid? Why is it that Jesus' words are too hard, except to justify not obeying his words.

Jesus didn't bring a higher standard than torah. What he did was give a proper interpretation of it. In verse 17 he says he didnt come to destroy (give a wrong interpretation) of scripture but to fulfill it (give a proper interpretation). This is a hebrew idiom.

So when you read through the rest of the chapter you will notice, "You have heard". This is a key phrase for hearing oral law. In their oral writings they have extra rules and clarifications of the written word and build their fences and burdens. Jesus is coming against some of those oral explanations and giving them a better clarification.

If he said, "It is written", then that would be a whole different ballgame. Jesus can not add to or take away from the law (torah) or else he would be a sinner. What he was doing here was teaching the truth of it.

 

[jason1]

Jesus is God. God can do anything He wants. God broke the Sabbath all during the time it was in effect. Jn5: 16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus did not break the sabbath. Doing so would cause him to sin. The Lawgiver is a legal deity that is very concerned about his torah. Saying He goes around breaking it willy nilly shows you have a low opinion of Him. Faith is trusting in His promises and that He will perform them. If he breaks what He wants then what kind of faith can you have? Our picture of who He is vary in a very big way.

Sure is and if I were you I would read it again. Israel failed as God's chosen. Why would we be grafted into Israel. Jews are grafted into the tree just as gentiles are. The tree is God not Israel. You have been taught by someone who does not know the real truth. God provides the nourishment for the branches not Israel.

The tree is indeed Israel. Here is the proof:

Jer_11:16 “יהוה has named you, ‘Green Olive Tree, Fair, of Goodly Fruit.’ With the noise of a great sound He has set it on fire, and its branches shall be broken.

Rom_11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[Bob S]

Jesus did not break the sabbath.

Sabbath was a ritual law that could be broken and was. For instance Jerico, Eight straight days God told the Israelites to circle the town. David had guards seven days a week. Jesus is lord of the Sabbath. He is God. God was not required to observe laws given to the Israelites. God had people killed for breaking the law, yet He, by the admission of Jesus, works every day. God is exempt from the law. He is perfect, so He needs no law.

I didn't change the words of John. He was the one who wrote that Jesus broke the Sabbath. The argument is not with me, I am just writing what I gleaned from John. take it up with him not me.

Doing so would cause him to sin.

Not so.

The Lawgiver is a legal deity that is very concerned about his torah.

Was

Saying He goes around breaking it willy nilly shows you have a low opinion of Him.

I didn't say it I paraphrased it from Jesus own words in John 5:16. please read my posts and stop trying to change what I actually wrote. That is not a nice way to debate.

Faith is trusting in His promises and that He will perform them. If he breaks what He wants then what kind of faith can you have? Our picture of who He is vary in a very big way.

God is not subject to laws. God is perfect. He does not need laws for direction. He is the law giver. You make God into a mere man that has laws to keep himself on the straight and narrow. Taint so my friend.

The tree is indeed Israel. Here is the proof:

Jer_11:16 “יהוה has named you, ‘Green Olive Tree, Fair, of Goodly Fruit.’ With the noise of a great sound He has set it on fire, and its branches shall be broken.

Rom_11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Indeed you have proven nothing. Jews were dispersed all over the World in 70 AD. There was no Israel. If you are correct who nourished the branches during all those years? God is the nourisher. He is the tree and all who are attached find life through Him.

 

[jason1]

For all those who want to know and do that truth, this sums it up perfectly:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of the Mighty One, and the faith of Jesus.

(these aren't new commandments here, they are from the torah)

 

[Bob S]

For all those who want to know and do that truth, this sums it up perfectly:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of the Mighty One, and the faith of Jesus.

(these aren't new commandments here, they are from the torah)

I beg to differ with you. John wrote those words "keep the commandments" and John in 1Jn3:19-24 answers what the commandments are we are to keep and they certainly are not Torah.
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Do you see how some would deceive others into believing words taken out of context and labeled as something they are not? The above is the new covenant. Law thumpers would put us right back under the covenant that Israel could not keep and Jesus came to change and offer the new for all mankind. The new covenant is a beautiful covenant ratified with Jesus' own blood. It is the final chapter in the plan of salvation. Grace, Grace marvelous grace....

 

[Sophrosyne]

For all those who want to know and do that truth, this sums it up perfectly:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of the Mighty One, and the faith of Jesus.

(these aren't new commandments here, they are from the torah)

So in other words you throw out all of the New Testament entirely and bolt the book of Revelation onto the Old Testament.

 

[jason1]

I beg to differ with you. John wrote those words "keep the commandments" and John in 1Jn3:19-24 answers what the commandments are we are to keep and they certainly are not Torah.
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Do you see how some would deceive others into believing words taken out of context and labeled as something they are not? The above is the new covenant. Law thumpers would put us right back under the covenant that Israel could not keep and Jesus came to change and offer the new for all mankind. The new covenant is a beautiful covenant ratified with Jesus' own blood. It is the final chapter in the plan of salvation. Grace, Grace marvelous grace....

Ok, lets dive into this response. You apparently believe that the only commandments we are to keep is to believe in Jesus's name and to love one another by your post. Lets get into some problems with this.

How does simply believing get you any standing? Don't the demons believe and tremble? Why aren't they saved?

Loving one another - what does this really mean? Does it mean we hug and kiss and slap each other on the back and say "hey buddy"? Love is dedication and devotion in scripture. All of the commandments are summed up in love the Creator and love your fellow man. This is how it works:

If I love the Creator I will:

Not worship other deities
Not bow down to idols
Not take his name in vain and make it worthless
Not break the sabbath on the 7th day
Honor my parents
Treat others well
Keep His feast days
Not learn the ways of the pagans and do likewise to Him, etc

If I love my fellow man I will:

Not steal, not commit adultery, no murder, not bear false witness, not covet my neighbors stuff
I won't hate anyone in my heart, bear grudges, have false weights, not help others in time of need, etc.

These are all part of the torah. Then you get someone come along and call it "Law thumping" like it is a bad thing. The law is what defines love, it defines how our walk should be and it is the condition of one saved.

Grace does indeed save, but you must walk His path of purification to make sure your wedding garments are white. He does not marry the lawless.

Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[bugkiller]

It is made with the wicked:

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Then you must be saying there is no covenant with the righteous. The problem is Jeremiah says the covenant is made with Israel. The Book of Acts of the Apostles bears witness to the fulfillment of the covenant promise made to Abraham, which is the NC as Jeremiah foretells.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Ok, lets dive into this response. You apparently believe that the only commandments we are to keep is to believe in Jesus's name and to love one another by your post. Lets get into some problems with this.

Please don't argue with me. All I did was quote the Holy Writ in correcting your statement. Apparently you have a problem believing Jesus apostle. I cannot help you there. You have been fed a false gospel that absolutely does not fit in with the new covenant. A veil covers your face like the people of the law you cannot see for you are blinded. 2Cor 3.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!


12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

How does simply believing get you any standing? Don't the demons believe and tremble? Why aren't they saved?

If I were you I would take that up with Jesus, He was the one who said in Jn 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

And lets look at Jn5:24 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

He said it and I believe it. Claim the promises my friend.

Loving one another - what does this really mean?

Thanks for asking. Agape Love-
1. the love of God or Christ for humankind.
2. the love of Christians for other persons, corresponding to the love of God for humankind.
3. unselfish love of one person for another without sexual implications; brotherly love.

And if I may add that Agape love includes every aspect of morality. The temporary 10 (2Cor 3:7-11) only hit on a few. For instance there is nothing about love in the 10. Now before you get your dander up go read them. They are all about duty, duty to God and duty to our fellow man. Man can keep all of them and not like to. The do it out of duty. Others do it out of love for our Creator, but as far as any of them demanding love you or anyone else cannot prove such. Anger, blasphemy, egotism, arrogance, slander, pride and on and on are not mentioned in the 10. The law of love is the perfect law.

Does it mean we hug and kiss and slap each other on the back and say "hey buddy"?

There is nothing wrong with showing our feelings toward others if done in a proper manner.

Love is dedication and devotion in scripture.

Scripture please

All of the commandments are summed up in love the Creator and love your fellow man.

See above

This is how it works:

So far you are batting zero my friend so why would I want to set at your feet and you tell me how it works? No, no I know how it works because I get my information direct from scripture. Some guru has implanted falsehood into yours.

If I love the Creator I will:

Not worship other deities
Not bow down to idols
Not take his name in vain and make it worthless

Part of the law of love.

Not break the sabbath on the 7th day

You break it every week and don't try to tell us you don't. All the Israelites that ever lived could not keep it. All you do is give lip service to it, besides Paul wrote that it was a temporary law that only served the Israelites. 2Cor 3:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Honor my parents
Treat others well

Part of the law of love

Keep His feast days

Fulfilled at the Cross Feast days were given to Israel and only Israel.

Not learn the ways of the pagans and do likewise to Him, etc

Where did that one come from?

If I love my fellow man I will:

Not steal, not commit adultery, no murder, not bear false witness, not covet my neighbors stuff
I won't hate anyone in my heart, bear grudges, have false weights, not help others in time of need, etc.

Hmmm! If I love my fellow man I will: not help others in time of need? Have false weights? Bear grudges.
I know what you meant to write, but it did add some humor. All those things are summed up in the law of love. Jesus said for us to love others as He loves us. He laid down His life for us. Is that part of your ETC.?

These are all part of the torah. Then you get someone come along and call it "Law thumping" like it is a bad thing. The law is what defines love, it defines how our walk should be and it is the condition of one saved.

All those things are dealing with morality. Morality is forever. It is written on our hearts. What you are thumping is not morality, it is pure old covenant, for the old Israelite defunct nation only, Ritual laws that have nothing to do with Christianity. Try reading Gal 3.

Grace does indeed save, but you must walk His path of purification to make sure your wedding garments are white. He does not marry the lawless.

Ignorance must be bliss, or is it? Yours is pure salvation by works of the law. What does Paul say to those who thumped works of the law?

Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Obedience to ritual laws of a failed nation? Ritual laws that do not concern my salvation. I do pray that you are not hopeless.


Jude 24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus didn't bring a higher standard than torah. What he did was give a proper interpretation of it. In verse 17 he says he didnt come to destroy (give a wrong interpretation) of scripture but to fulfill it (give a proper interpretation). This is a hebrew idiom.

So when you read through the rest of the chapter you will notice, "You have heard". This is a key phrase for hearing oral law. In their oral writings they have extra rules and clarifications of the written word and build their fences and burdens. Jesus is coming against some of those oral explanations and giving them a better clarification.

If he said, "It is written", then that would be a whole different ballgame. Jesus can not add to or take away from the law (torah) or else he would be a sinner. What he was doing here was teaching the truth of it.

oh, hogwash

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus did not break the sabbath. Doing so would cause him to sin. The Lawgiver is a legal deity that is very concerned about his torah. Saying He goes around breaking it willy nilly shows you have a low opinion of Him. Faith is trusting in His promises and that He will perform them. If he breaks what He wants then what kind of faith can you have? Our picture of who He is vary in a very big way.




The tree is indeed Israel. Here is the proof:

Jer_11:16 “יהוה has named you, ‘Green Olive Tree, Fair, of Goodly Fruit.’ With the noise of a great sound He has set it on fire, and its branches shall be broken.

Rom_11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

You're lacking in agricultural knowledge.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

For all those who want to know and do that truth, this sums it up perfectly:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of the Mighty One, and the faith of Jesus.

(these aren't new commandments here, they are from the torah)

You and John are talking about different commandments, besides that you you have no idea what the faith of Jesus is.

bugkiller