~That which is perfect~

[sunlover1]

I don't recall a gift of discernment listed in scripture either.

Discerning of spirits.
People often get that messed up.

 

[ARBITER01]

Discerning of spirits.
People often get that messed up.

They sure do when they don't know their scripture. You are correct

 

[child of Jesus]

Gifts have ceased remember?

no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); have the Apostolic era miraculous powers and gifts ceased; and what are the gifts we receive when we are Justified today?

also, are certain manifestations some claim to be gifts actually real?

~ regards
child

 

[ARBITER01]

no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); have the Apostolic era miraculous powers and gifts ceased; and what are the gifts we receive when we are Justified today?

also, are certain manifestations some claim to be gifts actually real?

~ regards
child

Care to point out where in scripture the gift of discernment is listed?

 

[sunlover1]

no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); have the Apostolic era miraculous powers and gifts ceased; and what are the gifts we receive when we are Justified today?

also, are certain manifestations some claim to be gifts actually real?

~ regards
child

One is still needed but the others have ceased?
Which bible you using?

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

..

 

[child of Jesus]

I don't recall a gift of discernment listed in scripture either.

hi Arby!
perhaps its the misuse of the word gifts that causes Christendom today so much trouble.

in 2 Timothy you will notice Paul says God has GIVEN us something (a sound mind)....which is reflected in the passage in Hebrews, where we USE THAT GIFT OF A SOUND MIND TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child

 

[ARBITER01]

hi Arby!
perhaps its the misuse of the word gifts that causes Christendom today so much trouble.

in 2 Timothy you will notice Paul says God has GIVEN us something (a sound mind)....which is reflected in the passage in Hebrews, where we USE THAT GIFT OF A SOUND MIND TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child

Did anyone see a gift listed in scripture by her or is she just inferring things?

 

[sunlover1]

hi Arby!
perhaps its the misuse of the word gifts that causes Christendom today so much trouble.

in 2 Timothy you will notice Paul says God has GIVEN us something (a sound mind)....which is reflected in the passage in Hebrews, where we USE THAT GIFT OF A SOUND MIND TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child

:o

Methinks this conversation is futile.

 

[child of Jesus]

Discerning of spirits.
People often get that messed up.

yes....some people do get that REALLY messed up.

i heard a Charismatic say she was able to discern evil spirits (demons) inhabiting candy bars given to children at Hallowe'en.

silly, huh? crazy or deluded may be a better description.

if we could just drop the "isms", we'd do fine.

~ child

 

[ARBITER01]

:o

Methinks this conversation is futile.

Yea in a way. The fruit is certainly hatred, so I don't know, I guess just watch a person crash and burn??

 

[child of Jesus]

They sure do when they don't know their scripture. You are correct

yes Arby.
it's true.
some people rely on men to teach them...and you can spot them a mile away because of the LINGO.

tsk tsk.

i have to go out for a bit, but back later for a look into the Roots of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement, aka THE THIRD WAVE.

~ child.

 

[sunlover1]

no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); ....

If you think that the discerning of spirits is NOT "miraculous " or supernatural gift..
good luck with that one.

 

[child of Jesus]

Care to point out where in scripture the gift of discernment is listed?

here it is again bud.
we'd do fine if we used the word gifts correctly (or understood what they were and are).

eternal life is a gift, isn't it?

hi Arby!
perhaps its the misuse of the word gifts that causes Christendom today so much trouble.

in 2 Timothy you will notice Paul says God has GIVEN us something (a sound mind)....which is reflected in the passage in Hebrews, where we USE THAT GIFT OF A SOUND MIND TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child

 

[ARBITER01]

here it is again bud.
we'd do fine if we used the word gifts correctly (or understood what they were and are).

eternal life is a gift, isn't it?

When you point out the actual gift to us in scripture, maybe we'll accept your story, until then, I'm not entertaining someone adding to scripture,... bud.

 

[child of Jesus]

Did anyone see a gift listed in scripture by her or is she just inferring things?

hi Arby;
does the part in red say God gave us something?
if He gives us something, is it a gift?

i gotta go, but i'll come back and list ALL the things God has given us (gifts): even rain on the unjust.

even the air we breathe.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child

 

[ARBITER01]

Shall we visit the scriptures again,..

1Jn 1:7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jn 2:8 Again, a new commandment write I unto you, which thing is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shineth.
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes.


1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

 

[child of Jesus]

When you point out the actual gift to us in scripture, maybe we'll accept your story, until then, I'm not entertaining someone adding to scripture,... bud.

but Arby...
it's not i who add.

i'm trying to understand how charlatans (see vid in thread, i.e.) who represent pentecostalism have deceived millions into doing what they do and sending them money and defending them?

later....bud.

 

[child of Jesus]

Shall we visit the scriptures again,..

are you posting this for your own instruction as well Arby?
its good food for all of us.

thanks!

 

[ARBITER01]

but Arby...
it's not i who add.

i'm trying to understand how charlatans (see vid in thread, i.e.) who represent pentecostalism have deceived millions into doing what they do and sending them money and defending them?

later....bud.

I consider Pentecostal people as my brethren in Christ, but it seems you don't?

Let's look at scripture over such actions,...

1Jn 1:7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jn 2:8 Again, a new commandment write I unto you, which thing is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shineth.
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes.


1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

 

[Big Drew]

Your unwillingness to divulge your respected teachers is extremely telling. We came forward with Kenneth Copeland and the other dude in the vidoe. Do you endorse those people? If not, why?

Who do you endorse? Why don't you just tell us? Are you ashamed of them?



Whats the difference between what they do and what the '750 million Pentacostals' who you crow about are practising? What proportion of those are making a mockery of the HS?



I dont limit God's power. I limit mens power. Men have the book now. We don't need the powers.

I'm not ashamed to admit anything. I don't do my kids homework for them, so why would I do yours?

Besides...that's not really the topic of this thread, is it? Now...I'd be happy to have this discussion with you, in a thread on this topic...feel free to start it, you can even PM me the link...and I'll respond when I have time.

God bless.