Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

[Abraham1st]

Precisely. . .counterfeit faith is no faith (Mt 7:22-23), it's counterfeit, not real.

Yes, it is NO FAITH, NEVER WAS REAL.

 

[Clare73]

You deny all I show you clare73, and I can correct all you are able to ever speak about, as long as the Lord gives me the answers to answer you with.

True saving faith remains true, or it does fall away, that is why both chapters you quote here speak of believing in the promises of God because BY FAITH THEY STAND.

If they fall, it's because their faith was counterfeit, it was not true saving faith, because true saving faith stands, because it is preserved by the Holy Spirit (2 Co 1:22, 5:5, Eph 1:14), and they did not stand. . .therefore, their faith was not true saving faith preserved by the Holy Spirit, it was counterfeit faith.

 

[Abraham1st]

If they fall, it's because their faith was counterfeit, it was not true saving faith, because true saving faith stands, and they did not stand. . .therefore, their faith was not true, saving faith, it was counterfeit.

yes clare773, they had no faith, no belief.

 

[Abraham1st]

So now we all saw that there are many teachers nowadays, and they teach very little importance, and that is a teaching we shod all accept and beware of.

 

[Clare73]

yes clare773, they had no faith, no belief.

They had counterfeit faith, counterfeit belief (Mt 7:22), which is not true saving faith or belief (Mt 7:23).

 

[Abraham1st]

They had counterfeit faith, counterfeit belief (Mt 7:22), which is not true saving faith or belief (Mt 7:23).

Clare73 said:
Precisely. . .counterfeit faith is no faith


We saw your conclusion clare, and we can all agree, IT IS NO FAITH.

 

[Abraham1st]

Also true standing faith, remains true, it is preserved by faith which works by love.

The love of God is shed into our hearts by the Holy Ghost given unto us, and WE STAND BY FAITH. (not by doubting, and DENYING GOD IN WORKS, BEING ABOMINABLE AND DISOBEDIENT AND UNTO EVERY GOOD WORK REPROBATE/MANY FALSE PROPHETS GATHERING THORNS AN THISTLES.)



Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Abraham1st]

So I suppose I might as well talk to myself on this thread, who else seems to have even a simple thing to share.

We do not reply on the word of anyone now, there are many false prophets, don't I prove that on the forum at all.

So what is left is to stand by our own faith, if we have any, and it is best to make it diligent, just as we might want to be careful if we had a precious child of our own, we might want them to be careful i every way they could possibly be, to never have anything terrible happen to them.

 

[Clare73]

Clare73 said:
Precisely. . .counterfeit faith is no faith

We saw your conclusion clare, and we can all agree, IT IS NO FAITH.

It is no true faith, it is counterfeit faith, as the faith claimed by those in Mt 7:22-23.

 

[d taylor]

Au contraire. . .that is precisely an example of counterfeit faith. . .it was a "faith" that did not save.
Read it again. . .they claimed to be doing it in Jesus' name (Mt 7:22-23), that's a statement of faith.

It has everything to do with an example of counterfeit faith which you deny. . .counterfeit faith is also the faith that falls away from the belief one once had. True saving faith does not fall away (2 Co 1:22, 5:5, Eph 1:14). . .only counterfeit faith falls away.

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They never claimed to have believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life, so there is no counterfeit faith.

Faith/belief in Jesus always gives the person God's free pernamnet gift of Eternal Life.

There is no such thing as counterfeit belief in Jesus for Eternal Life.

A person can say they believe Jesus existed and/or even believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. But that is not what gives a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. It is only belief in Jesus the person for Eternal Life

 

[Clare73]

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They never claimed to have believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life, so there is no counterfeit faith.

Where does Paul make a specific claim to "believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life"?

 

[d taylor]

Where does Paul make a specific claim to "believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life"?

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Paul writes to believers so he does not need to evangelize believers. John writes to the person who has not believed yet in Jesus.

But when Paul did evangelize he used the message he was taught from Jesus.

But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

and what does Jesus teach

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

 

[Guojing]

The seal of the holy spirit of promise is our earnest/SINCERE CONVICTION, of our inheritance UNTIL THE REDEMPTION OF THE PURCHASED POSSESSION, unto the praise of His glory.

So if you are sealed by the Holy Spirit after you believed, no one can break that seal.

That was my point.

 

[Abraham1st]

It is no true faith, it is counterfeit faith, as the faith claimed by those in Mt 7:22-23.

They did not claim faith, they are FALSE PROPHETS, it is an EMAMPLE, HOW TO BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS

 

[Abraham1st]

So if you are sealed by the Holy Spirit after you believed, no one can break that seal.

That was my point.

Everyone can break that seal, is the point.

The whole world is downhill in faithlessness, of course that breaks any seal, as it is FAITH WHAT YOU STAND BY, in a world that was said to have none at this time.


Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[Abraham1st]

Anyone on this thread want to see a good VERY RELEVANT passage for how to keep in faith, not hear liars about saying you cant lose salvation, or they would have at least a word or two to speak about a whole chapter, wouldn't they.



2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Guojing]

Everyone can break that seal, is the point.

The whole world is downhill in faithlessness, of course that breaks any seal, as it is FAITH WHAT YOU STAND BY, in a world that was said to have none at this time.


Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Like I said, try to understand the Greek word where it was translated to "sealed" in the KJV, and you will understand that you cannot break that.

If you choose not to, that is also fine, we can move on.