Child of Jesus: I'll be praying for both of you.
Yes, strawmen. As has been explained to you several times already, this thread is about what "when that which is perfect is come" means. Rather than address spiritual gifts as described IN SCRIPTURE, you've set up the strawman argument of Copeland, Browne, Hinn, etc., etc. Who said that any of us learned about spiritual gifts through them or their teachings? That's something (another strawman) that you keep insisting/inferring. Now, do you want to address the actual topic at hand? I've given you two rather long posts to consider/address ON THIS TOPIC. To date, you haven't even acknowledged them. Doesn't surprise me in the least, as they both shoot holes in your "Paul was only talking about the different languages that he spoke" garbage.
I never said that it wasn't a serious matter, only that it's not the topic of this thread. Start another thread. In all likelihood, I'll participate. Also, as I said in one of my posts from earlier today, I've preached against/withstood such false teachers for MANY years. MANY years. As to why so many people are duped by them, there are probably several reasons. I'm quite confident that I know what some of them are. Like I suggested, start another thread and I'll more than likely participate in it. I'm all for warning the brethren of false teachers.
Ummm...not even close. It's about all of us. I only mentioned your username, "Child of Jesus", because one of the verses that I cited tells us specifically how to differentiate between "children of God" and "children of the devil". You brought up imputed righteousness as if we have no part to play/role to fulfill in this COVENANT. As far as I'm concerned, scripture teaches otherwise. The Spirit of God is given to us so that we can truly "be holy as He is Holy". As I've said numerous times over the years, He's not called the "HOLY Spirit" for nothing. In other words, scripture teaches that we need to be "doing righteousness" whereas you infer that we don't. That is what my question was really about, so who exactly is "defensive"?
You don't have to take my word for it. In case no one has told you this before, you are not the Judgment seat of Christ. Anyhow, unlike you (seemingly, anyway), I am very concerned where the matter of "doing righteousness" is concerned. I don't take the things of God lightly. Never have since my conversion and I never intend to.
See what I mean? I already did answer your question. I didn't learn the things that I've written about here anywhere else BUT IN THE BIBLE. Why do you insist otherwise and then cling to your false assumption as if it's reality? It isn't. I've given scriptural after scriptural after scriptural response to the topic at hand. You, on the other hand, have interjected all sorts of other things/people into the conversation. That's reality...like it or not.
People, myself included, can call themselves by whatever name they want to. Of course, such names don't necessarily make it so. For me, I try everything that I hear according to the Word of God that is forever settled in the heavens and engrafted into my very soul. I know the Shepherd's voice...many things that you have stated didn't originate from Him. Additionally, any 'tude that I might have is two-fold:
1. Trying to reason with you and others
2. Protecting others from your own false teachings in regards to what the scriptures actually teach in regard to spiritual gifts.
In other words, in a haste to expose the false teachings of others, you've overlooked false teachings of your own.
"And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, WHEN YOUR OBEDIENCE IS FULFILLED." (II Corinthians 10:6)
Oh, please. Yet another rewrite of history. For starters, as I've plainly stated already, I have withstood such false teachers for MANY years, so I've "brushed aside" NOTHING. Also, I've never ridiculed anyone for trying to discern. That's not what you've done here...well, at least not until your attitude changed recently. No, rather, you came on this thread like a raging bull and made all sorts of false assumptions/accusations and butchered a bunch of scriptures in the process. If you've been "ridiculed" by me for anything, then it is for something along those lines.
Once again, you missed my intent. What I meant was that I'm not the least bit interested in what you or anyone else (including myself) thinks, but rather what the written, revealed Word of God has to say on the matter. Go back and review my posts on this thread (or any thread, for that matter) and see what my "modus operandi" is. Also, read the actual post that I referred to in this quote...it's LOADED with scripture.
"Intimidation"?
Please. Don't kid yourself. If you're "intimidated" by the Word of God, then stay away from threads that I post in as you'll get a steady dose of it. For some, it's medicine. For others, sad to say, it's poison.
By the way, I doubt (I'll have to think about it further...I'm rushing out the door, now) that I agree with your assessment that we can know what is true by determining what is false. Rather, we can know what is false by determining what is true. In fact, about 30 years ago, I was a bank teller for a brief stint. Do you know how they taught us to recognize counterfeit bills? They had us handle genuine bills until we were so familiar with them that nothing counterfeit could slip by us. On my part, I've repeatedly put forth the truth of God's Word. On your part, you've gone down all sorts of rabbit trails and tried to pin anyone's BIBLICALLY BASED BELIEF IN SPIRITUAL GIFTS on either false teachers or denominational teachings.
Finally, no, I do not claim to be a prophet. I'm heading out for several hours...I'll check back later.
Take care.
