Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

DennisTate · Jun 21, 2017

JLB777 said:
Which has nothing to do with Jeremiah 31.

JLB

Don't be so sure..........

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

this was not fulfilled in the past......... so it must take place in the future.... .when the Holy Spirit is poured out even more so than at Pentecost of Acts 2

JLB777 · Jun 21, 2017

DennisTate said:
Don't be so sure..........

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

this was not fulfilled in the past......... so it must take place in the future.... .when the Holy Spirit is poured out even more so than at Pentecost of Acts 2

The New [Renewed;Refreshed] Covenant was made when Jesus declared it, by giving His Life on the cross for us.

For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:28

If you are not part of the New Covenant, then what Covenant are you a part of?

JLB

DennisTate · Jun 22, 2017

JLB777 said:
The New [Renewed;Refreshed] Covenant was made when Jesus declared it, by giving His Life on the cross for us.

For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:28

If you are not part of the New Covenant, then what Covenant are you a part of?

JLB

True... but I do believe that a time is coming when the majority of the people on earth will have their hearts opened to the truth......... and the Holy Spirit will be poured out on ALL FLESH.

JLB777 · Jun 24, 2017

DennisTate said:
True... but I do believe that a time is coming when the majority of the people on earth will have their hearts opened to the truth......... and the Holy Spirit will be poured out on ALL FLESH.

Amen! Brother.

parousia70 · Jun 24, 2017

DennisTate said:
True... but I do believe that a time is coming when the majority of the people on earth will have their hearts opened to the truth......... and the Holy Spirit will be poured out on ALL FLESH.

A majority, or 100%?
You seem to be saying both. Though I suppose you could argue that 100% is definitely a majority!!

I'm still curious which you mean though.

DennisTate · Jun 25, 2017

parousia70 said:
A majority, or 100%?
You seem to be saying both. Though I suppose you could argue that 100% is definitely a majority!!

I'm still curious which you mean though.

Good question...... there are some prophecies that indicate that people still have freedom of choice........ so a small segment of the population may live in such an unwise manner that they live to be less than one hundred years of age........ but the vast majority of people will live well........ and to well over one hundred. Isaiah 65 has that prophecy I believe...... .only a sinner will live to be less than one hundred...... So this indicates some sinners still on earth during the Millennium.

Jeepneytravel · Jun 26, 2017

DennisTate said:
This is an exceptionally good answer Timewerx!

I agree with you that we Christians have zero ownership over the Temple Mount area.....
and we have no idea or background as to the specific rituals that the restored
Levites and Rabbi's will be doing on the Temple Mount.

Actually, there is a huge difference between the Sanhedrin of the time of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus
with the Sanhedrin of our time because........
King Herod the Great chose many of the Rabbi's serving on the Sanhedrin of
his time period.......
and King Herod....DID NOT choose Rabbi's for their wisdom, sincerity
and zeal for the words of Moses and The Prophets!

King Herod chose Rabbi's who he could influence.....
which meant Rabbi's who loved money and influence a little too much.....

There is a possibility that there will soon be a Christian Noahide designation....
and perhaps some Christians will become Christian Noahide Nazarites and perhaps....
they might participate in some rituals in the court of the Nazarites.......
but that is considerably off in the future and the Sanhedrin will figure that out
when the time comes.

The Rabbinic Jewish community are taking steps toward us Christians
and it is time for us to begin to consider and discuss where we are off track
and not at all in line with what Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would tell us to do if
he was with us at this time in history.

Have you heard of the group "Facing Each Other" timewerx?

Facing Each Other - Key for Peace between Judaism and Christianity | Facebook

Facing Each Other - Key for Peace between Judaism and Christianity

One should also factor the Jewish Talmud Holy book into the mix....Satanic Verses Of The Jewish Talmud | Real Jew News
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pescador · Jun 26, 2017

Jeepneytravel said:
One should also factor the Jewish Talmud Holy book into the mix....Satanic Verses Of The Jewish Talmud | Real Jew News
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Unbelievable racist garbage!

DennisTate · Jul 21, 2017

pescador said:
Unbelievable racist garbage!

I agree.......

parousia70 · Jul 21, 2017

pescador said:
Unbelievable racist garbage!

Against what race?

pescador · Jul 21, 2017

parousia70 said:
Against what race?

Against the Jewish people.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 21, 2017

Sultan Of Swing said:
Indeed I think the text in Romans 11 also is indicating that God may have a final salvation plan for the Jews, but it will always be and only be through belief in Jesus Christ. There is not some other path.

Helping the Jews rebuild a temple won't help them come to Christ. What will help them is if we honestly and faithfully preach to them the Gospel and call upon them to repent and believe in Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah who has saved them from their sins by dying on the cross and rising from the dead. And more powerful than our arguments and actions is the very word of God, and we should encourage our Jewish friends to read the Gospels for themselves.

Great post!
Not just the Gospels, but the whole NT, including the book of Revelation, which mentions 12 of their tribes.

Revelation 7:
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament:
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel

An in-depth look at the Christian scriptures—from a Jewish perspective.
Many Jewish people know the New Testament only through snippets of verse heard at a Christian wedding or funeral, or through a chapter read in literature class. Many are completely unfamiliar with the meaning or messages of Christian scripture and therefore hold strange or startling judgments about it.
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament introduces the text to Jewish readers. Samuel Sandmel applies scholarly criticism and provides historical background to the writings of the New Testament, revealing how the sacred literature of other religions can provide fresh perspectives on one’s own beliefs.
Without compromising his Jewish identity or encouraging any traditional Jewish stereotypes of the New Testament, Sandmel offers an enlightened view of Christian beliefs and encourages readers to acknowledge their common humanity with people of all religions. (Previously published by KTAV Publishing House, 1974, ISBN 0-870682-628.)
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel was professor of Bible and Hellenistic Literature at Hebrew Union College–Jewish Institute of Religion, and author of many highly regarded books in the fields of Jewish and Bible studies.

DennisTate · Jul 22, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Great post!
Not just the Gospels, but the whole NT, including the book of Revelation, which mentions 12 of their tribes.

Revelation 7:
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament:
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel

An in-depth look at the Christian scriptures—from a Jewish perspective.
Many Jewish people know the New Testament only through snippets of verse heard at a Christian wedding or funeral, or through a chapter read in literature class. Many are completely unfamiliar with the meaning or messages of Christian scripture and therefore hold strange or startling judgments about it.
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament introduces the text to Jewish readers. Samuel Sandmel applies scholarly criticism and provides historical background to the writings of the New Testament, revealing how the sacred literature of other religions can provide fresh perspectives on one’s own beliefs.
Without compromising his Jewish identity or encouraging any traditional Jewish stereotypes of the New Testament, Sandmel offers an enlightened view of Christian beliefs and encourages readers to acknowledge their common humanity with people of all religions. (Previously published by KTAV Publishing House, 1974, ISBN 0-870682-628.)
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel was professor of Bible and Hellenistic Literature at Hebrew Union College–Jewish Institute of Religion, and author of many highly regarded books in the fields of Jewish and Bible studies.

The testimony of the then fifteen year old Israeli youth Natan....
reminds me so much of these statements by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that
I am now asking myself if I should become more observant and perhaps
be wearing Noahide tzitzit, for one example?????

Matthew 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

pescador · Jul 22, 2017

Sultan Of Swing said:
Indeed I think the text in Romans 11 also is indicating that God may have a final salvation plan for the Jews, but it will always be and only be through belief in Jesus Christ. There is not some other path.

Helping the Jews rebuild a temple won't help them come to Christ. What will help them is if we honestly and faithfully preach to them the Gospel and call upon them to repent and believe in Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah who has saved them from their sins by dying on the cross and rising from the dead. And more powerful than our arguments and actions is the very word of God, and we should encourage our Jewish friends to read the Gospels for themselves.

Excellent post!

pescador · Jul 22, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Great post!
Not just the Gospels, but the whole NT, including the book of Revelation, which mentions 12 of their tribes.

Revelation 7:
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament:
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel

An in-depth look at the Christian scriptures—from a Jewish perspective.
Many Jewish people know the New Testament only through snippets of verse heard at a Christian wedding or funeral, or through a chapter read in literature class. Many are completely unfamiliar with the meaning or messages of Christian scripture and therefore hold strange or startling judgments about it.
A Jewish Understanding of the New Testament introduces the text to Jewish readers. Samuel Sandmel applies scholarly criticism and provides historical background to the writings of the New Testament, revealing how the sacred literature of other religions can provide fresh perspectives on one’s own beliefs.
Without compromising his Jewish identity or encouraging any traditional Jewish stereotypes of the New Testament, Sandmel offers an enlightened view of Christian beliefs and encourages readers to acknowledge their common humanity with people of all religions. (Previously published by KTAV Publishing House, 1974, ISBN 0-870682-628.)
Rabbi Samuel Sandmel was professor of Bible and Hellenistic Literature at Hebrew Union College–Jewish Institute of Religion, and author of many highly regarded books in the fields of Jewish and Bible studies.

I just bought the e-book. Until Paul went to the Gentiles ALL of Christianity was composed of Jews. It is vitally important to understand the New Testament through the eyes of the Jews.

parousia70 · Jul 22, 2017

pescador said:
Against the Jewish people.

So against a Religion, not a Race then.
Thanks for clarifying, except I'm not sure how such can be defined as racism.

Hethatreadethit · Jul 22, 2017

DennisTate said:
One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Was Ezekiel blessed?

Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?

The Prophets spoke so much using carnal images to represent spiritual concepts, and by just glancing at the Book of Ezekiel, would tend to give you an idea that there is going to be a physical temple in Jerusalem constructed, but even as you say, that Christ knew and followed and spoke according to the Prophets, even knowing the Book of Ezekiel, but said this:

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

parousia70 · Jul 22, 2017

pescador said:
Until Paul went to the Gentiles ALL of Christianity was composed of Jews. It is vitally important to understand the New Testament through the eyes of the Jews.

Indeed.
Christianity is the Nazarene sect of Biblical Judaism of whom Paul was a Ringleader(Acts 24:5), and of whom gentiles are grafted in as fellow citizens (Ephesians 2:12, Ephesians 2:19).
It the the ONLY Judaism today that exists in covenant with the living God (Revelation 2:9).

pescador · Jul 22, 2017

parousia70 said:
So against a Religion, not a Race then.
Thanks for clarifying, except I'm not sure how such can be defined as racism.

Here is what Paul wrote to the Romans: "I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, the people of Israel." NIV, others are slightly different). Paul is not talking about a religion but about a group of people who share a common physical identity.

DennisTate · Jul 22, 2017

pescador said:
Here is what Paul wrote to the Romans: "I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, the people of Israel." NIV, others are slightly different). Paul is not talking about a religion but about a group of people who share a common physical identity.

Do you suspect that the Apostle Paul might have been wondering about hidden meaning in the fast of Yom Kippur?

Do you think that Paul might have had trouble seeing Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as.... a "goat.?"

The Book of Revelation wasn't written until after Paul died.... but Paul might have had some idea
of a latter day two witnesses anyway....... and might he have wondered about a latter day fulfillment of
Yom Kippur that would be somewhat like Passover.... but with two human metaphorical goats...... no sinless metaphorical lamb???

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

Should Christians support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Yes... the words of Ezekiel must come to pass.

No.... it will lead to the rise of the Anti-Christ fellow.

Yes.... living waters will flow from the restored Third Temple.

No... Christians must not support animal sacrifice.

I am not certain but I will research this question further.

No... this could cause a war to break out.

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