Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[Hethatreadethit]

And I see no resemblance of today's Jews to the pre desolation Hebrew people.
Not Religiously, not politically, and not genetically.
Do you?



I'm not following your logic.
Are you saying one day in the future people who are NOT doing Gods will and NOT praising the Gospel to others will likewise have the law written in their hearts?

Were people doing the will of God before Christ?

The Jews are not jealous of Christians today, but rather turned off because of the traditions that today's Christianity has adopted from their pagan origins. You probably did not read my post on " The Stumblingblock Reversed. If the so called Christians of today had the law in their heart, they wouldn't follow traditions that are not according to God's will. The early Church decided not to force the Gentiles to circumcision, would you force the Jews to sunday worship, easter celebration, or Christmas, which are based on pagan rituals?

Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

If the law is written in everybody's heart why is there so much deceit in the world? Why did God command circumcision. Christ said, that love would wax cold, so how do I know who has the law in their heart from deceivers, deceived, and all else confusion that fills this world.

Answer: God and His Word, the Unleavened Bread of Sincerity and Truth. Is that law in your heart, and you have cleaned your house of unwanted things or does the Easter Bunny demand His tradition?

Those who truly love the commandments that Moses received from God have the law in their heart, just as David:

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

Psa 119:119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.

Psa 119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

Psa 119:159 Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.

Psa 119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

I guess you see that David never personally met Christ but loved God's commandments, so there is hope for the Jewish people that even without personally meeting Christ will see, hear and love Him according to His Word:

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

All hearts can be turned to do whatsoever God will's.

 

[parousia70]

The Jews are not jealous of Christians today, but rather turned off because of the traditions that today's Christianity has adopted from their pagan origins.

Is this your opinion, or can you cite a source for this information?

 

[Hethatreadethit]

And I see no resemblance of today's Jews to the pre desolation Hebrew people.
Not Religiously, not politically, and not genetically.
Do you?



I'm not following your logic.
Are you saying one day in the future people who are NOT doing Gods will and NOT praising the Gospel to others will likewise have the law written in their hearts?

What are pre desolation Hebrew People?

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Is this your opinion, or can you cite a source for this information?

Go hang out with the orthodox Jews and find out for your self.

 

[parousia70]

Go hang out with the orthodox Jews and find out for your self.

Watch this Rabbi and You'll know enough:

 

[parousia70]

What are pre desolation Hebrew People?

The Race of people who existed as a verifiable, homogeneous group, that descended from Abraham before the Desolation of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Modern Jews have no verifiable link to those pre desolation Hebrews.
Modern Jews are a MULTI ETHNIC conglomeration of peoples who do not practice the same religion, they do not practice the same politics and they do not have the same DNA as the Pre desolation Hebrews.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

The Race of people who existed as a verifiable, homogeneous group, that descended from Abraham before the Desolation of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Modern Jews have no verifiable link to those pre desolation Hebrews.
Modern Jews are a MULTI ETHNIC conglomeration of peoples who do not practice the same religion, they do not practice the same politics and they do not have the same DNA as the Pre desolation Hebrews.

That is some serious potatoes that your mashing up, so I guess I could be Jewish and I don't know it, and so Paul is fairly vague when he says:

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Maybe the enemies of Israel would not hate them so bad if they knew they were just half-breeds.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Were people doing the will of God before Christ?

The Jews are not jealous of Christians today, but rather turned off because of the traditions that today's Christianity has adopted from their pagan origins. You probably did not read my post on " The Stumblingblock Reversed. If the so called Christians of today had the law in their heart, they wouldn't follow traditions that are not according to God's will. The early Church decided not to force the Gentiles to circumcision, would you force the Jews to sunday worship, easter celebration, or Christmas, which are based on pagan rituals?

Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

If the law is written in everybody's heart why is there so much deceit in the world? Why did God command circumcision. Christ said, that love would wax cold, so how do I know who has the law in their heart from deceivers, deceived, and all else confusion that fills this world.

Answer: God and His Word, the Unleavened Bread of Sincerity and Truth. Is that law in your heart, and you have cleaned your house of unwanted things or does the Easter Bunny demand His tradition?

Those who truly love the commandments that Moses received from God have the law in their heart, just as David:

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

Psa 119:119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.

Psa 119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

Psa 119:159 Consider how I love thy precepts: quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.

Psa 119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

I guess you see that David never personally met Christ but loved God's commandments, so there is hope for the Jewish people that even without personally meeting Christ will see, hear and love Him according to His Word:

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

All hearts can be turned to do whatsoever God will's.

So where did you get all this knowledge about what the Jewish people today think or how they feel about Christians? Or is this all a guess, which is my take on it.

Maybe you think the Old Testament text is Judaism today or something. Not.

 

[parousia70]

so I guess I could be Jewish and I don't know it,

Genetically, Yes.
You have exactly as much Abrahamic DNA in you as the most orthodox Jew In Israel today.

and so Paul is fairly vague when he says:

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Define "all Israel"?
Every last Jew who ever lived from Abraham through Today "shall be saved"??
Is that what you believe Paul meant by "all Israel" or do you subscribe to the notion that "ALL Israel" = some number less than "ALL"?

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

Would that satisfy the definition of "ALL Israel" in your mind?

Maybe the enemies of Israel would not hate them so bad if they knew they were just half-breeds.

Certainly if these facts I present had been universally taught & accepted by Humanity there would have been MILLIONS fewer Jews who were killed by the hands of any "enemy" over the past 2000 years.

But hey, since you are so knowledgeable about all things Jewish, perhaps you could tell me which of these Modern Jews is the Real, pure, Genetic Hebrew:
https://www.christianforums.com/media/jewish-race.55358/full

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Genetically, Yes.
You have exactly as much Abrahamic DNA in you as the most orthodox Jew In Israel today.



Define "all Israel"?
Every last Jew who ever lived from Abraham through Today "shall be saved"??
Is that what you believe Paul meant by "all Israel" or do you subscribe to the notion that "ALL Israel" = some number less than "ALL"?

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

Would that satisfy the definition of "ALL Israel" in your mind?



Certainly if these facts I present had been universally taught & accepted by Humanity there would have been MILLIONS fewer Jews who were killed by the hands of any "enemy" over the past 2000 years.

But hey, since you are so knowledgeable about all things Jewish, perhaps you could tell me which of these Modern Jews is the Real, pure, Genetic Hebrew:
https://www.christianforums.com/media/jewish-race.55358/full

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

I believe Paul was referring to his brethren, his own kind. And even if they're a mixed breed by now, perhaps that was what God intended . He took them and produced a Hybrid.

Overall:
True Jews will not follow after the present Gentile/Christian ways because of various pagan rituals,
and this is because they know the Torah:

Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

You know, customs like: lying to your kids about some fat man that doesn't exist who will give them what they want.

 

[miknik5]

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

I believe Paul was referring to his brethren, his own kind. And even if they're a mixed breed by now, perhaps that was what God intended . He took them and produced a Hybrid.

Overall:
True Jews will not follow after the present Gentile/Christian ways because of various pagan rituals,
and this is because they know the Torah:

Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

You know, customs like: lying to your kids about some fat man that doesn't exist who will give them what they want.

What do you make of Zechariah 13?

The reason I ask is because you are having the wrong spirit with regards to those who have received what God promised as per Jeremiah 31

 

[miknik5]

That same spirit (which in your writings, you are confusing as not in the believing "gentiles" (which is not God's meaning of gentile Christians , but your own)

I wish I could cross out the word gentile Christian because there aren't any...not if they are born again of HIS SPIRIT

If a gentile believes the gospel and is born of Christ's spirit, he has been counted in THE ISRAEL of GOD which is HIS SON

Not all of Israel are of ISRAEL

However GOD has reserved to HIMSELF a remnant who will also believe

 

[Nige55]

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

Yes, It could be all of those you mentioned. I know you may find that hard to believe.
It's simply because you're viewing the state and standing of those people at the current time.
I believe when were told that Israel WILL come to Yeshua when the time of the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.
I have absolutely no problem believing this.

 

[Waggles]

@DennisTate
There is absolutely no need whatsoever for Christians to be concerned about or to be involved in any attempts to build a Third Temple building in Jerusalem.
The Temple and animal sacrifices were done away with at Calvary and with the giving of the Holy Spirit.
The veil of separation has been torn asunder and we who are Spirit-filled and can pray in the Spirit have access to the Holy of Holies and can come boldly before the throne of grace.
Also the Spirit-filled Christian is now the Temple of God and God dwells within the true worshipper,
not in buildings made by men, no not even grand cathedrals.

Read the epistle to the Hebrews.

 

[miknik5]

Nige, you may want to fix your post

It wasn't parousia70 who said what you quoted

 

[ToBeLoved]

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

I believe Paul was referring to his brethren, his own kind. And even if they're a mixed breed by now, perhaps that was what God intended . He took them and produced a Hybrid.

Overall:
True Jews will not follow after the present Gentile/Christian ways because of various pagan rituals,
and this is because they know the Torah:

Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

You know, customs like: lying to your kids about some fat man that doesn't exist who will give them what they want.

What we need to realize is that it all comes down to the Messiah for the Jews and that Jesus is not it.

So that is why they think we are pagan. However, it seems to me that in this culture that little is known about Jesus at all. They do not even evaluate Jesus as a 'could be' Messiah, but instead totally ignore the idea at all because their culture is waiting for someone to set things right as far as Israel and the Jewish peoples are concerned. I may be wrong, but this is what I see.

 

[parousia70]

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens?

I believe Paul was referring to his brethren, his own kind. And even if they're a mixed breed by now, perhaps that was what God intended . He took them and produced a Hybrid.

So you believe Paul meant "every human on earth" when he said "all Israel".
Got it.
Thanks for clarifying.

 

[parousia70]

What we need to realize is that it all comes down to the Messiah for the Jews and that Jesus is not it.

So that is why they think we are pagan. However, it seems to me that in this culture that little is known about Jesus at all. They do not even evaluate Jesus as a 'could be' Messiah, but instead totally ignore the idea at all because their culture is waiting for someone to set things right as far as Israel and the Jewish peoples are concerned. I may be wrong, but this is what I see.

Even in Islam Jesus is revered as a prophet of God.
In contrast, in Modern Judaism, Jesus is believed to be in Hell boiling in excrement presently.

Odd that Christians prefer Judaism's view of Christ over Islam's.

 

[miknik5]

Even in Islam Jesus is revered as a prophet of God.
In contrast, in Modern Judaism, Jesus is believed to be in Hell boiling in excrement presently.

Odd that Christians prefer Judaism's view of Christ over Islam's.

Is HE honored just as THE FATHER is honored?

 

[miknik5]

Islam substitutes Mohammed's word over JESUS

They are willing to believe that Mohammed has great standing

The Jews don't do that
They are ignorant for the sake of the Gentiles being called in first

Afterwards, GOD will reopen the eyes of HIS FIRST LOVE, **ISRAEL**

That is those who truly belong in **ISRAEL, HIS SON**

There won't be two gospels
They will llook upon the the ONE whom they have pierced and mourn as for an only son

They will recognize HIM as THE SON...all knees will bow...some in awesome adoration

Others in mourning as for a son

But all knees will bow