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Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by mathinspiration, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. LoricaLady

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    Please give Bible verses that indicate that, if a child is in a situation that looks potentially abusive, that you shouldn't tell the parents as soon as possible.

    Also, reference a Bible verse that says we must go through "channels" if we see a girl in a concerning situation, rather than just asking her "Are you alright? I was kind of concerned by the situation I saw there in the bathroom. Is there anything I could do to help?"

    I will refer you to the Bible verse that talks about wolves in sheep's clothing and the verses that tell us to be discerning. Discernment helps us know who the wolves are, if any. Wolves in sheep's clothing are, per Biblical instructions, to be exposed and avoided.
     
  2. razzelflabben

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    not what I said, but moving on to something not so volatile and aggressive.
     
  3. Daniel Marsh

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    If it were a Teacher with the child in the bathroom, would you be calling the Police? why the double standard? Is it just another case of pastor worship maybe?>
     
  4. LoricaLady

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    Yes, when I worked in the school system even a woman teacher didn't go into the girl's bathroom unless she had a staff witness. A teacher wouldn't even help a child buckle a belt without a witness and she or he was likely to provide the help with plenty of people around.
     
  5. Sammy-San

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    Strong's Greek: 1491. εἶδος (eidos) -- visible form, shape, appearance, kind
     
  6. Johnsloan

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    I can and will give verses telling us exactly what to do. But I would have to ask you to give verses that condem a man with no evidance. You have no evidance to condem that man. And the OP has none.
    And the OP has a lot more than you do. So being you have no evidance . You do not have the right to an opinion in that situation.

    I realise with all the reporting behind closed doors in here in secret. That we have to tread very very carfully when adreessing the very delicate nature of fallen man. Who all go running to mummy for protection.

    So I will ask that you first provide me with scripture in context tell you to condem with no proof of anything wrong.

    I see the scriptures that you didnt actully quote in context. That is completly wrong. If you believe it thats fine. But it is wrong and out of contect with out any proof he done anything wrong.
    I know of a situation I could give you regarding a minister in a red light district with a young girl in his car at midnight. with her head buried in his chest. In here he would lose his job and be called all manner of false things. In a fraction of a second with zero thought put in to the situation. As we already seen in this thread.

    The girl gave her life to Christ at that very moment he would be condemed. That minister could care less what all you opinions of him would be. He trust in God not in mans rules and mans regulations. The biggest problem here is to manyy think they know what is right and wrong with zero evidance or even care to wait and find out before assuming they know what happening.

    Mature Christians dont walk like most Christians.
    and Most Christians dont know Christ. They just grabbed salvation in its minimillist form. A ticket for heaven. Most Christians act and talk like they know it all. And that is what gets them in to all the silly arguing we see in every single Christian forum.
     
  7. Johnsloan

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    Would Jesus go in to the womens bathroom to help the girl. Yes He would. And so would I.
    See Christ is my defender not mans rules.
     
  8. LoricaLady

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    You don't know that the Savior would have gone into a girl's restroom! You know no such thing. The Bible says not to give even the appearance of evil. The Pastor obviously had other people around to help, as the OP came into the restroom and saw him with the handicapped girl. It seems, from what was told, that he could have gotten a lady to go in and help the girl. I absolute believe that is what Messiah would have done.
     
  9. LoricaLady

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    You are condemning me, dear. I never, ever, said the Pastor was guilty of anything. If so, quote me. I said the matter needed to be investigated and that the parents, or the girl if she was an adult and mentally competent, were the ones whose opinions and feelings were first and foremost for consideration and that they should be talked to ASAP.

    You are assuming, it seems, that the Pastor is innocent. We don't know one way or another. We do know that a man in a girl's restroom, with a handicapped girl, looks highly suspicious. We do know there are wolves in sheep's clothing, as the Savior told us, and that they are not to be tolerated or made excuses for. If the matter is investigated and there was no problem, great. But if the matter is investigated and it seems his actions were inappropriate or worse, then that needs to be dealt with.

    From your posts it seems that all your concern is for the Pastor. I don't see any concern for the girl or for any relevant parents and their rights. You don't become a ward of a Church when you enter into their doors. You still have the same rights as you do outside them.

    We know there are innumerable cases of religious leaders who have abused their congregants. Maybe this Pastor is not one of them. How do you know? What is wrong with talking to the parents and getting their opinions? What is wrong with talking to the girl if she is mentally competent?

    Also, the rules don't change in Church in things like a man not belonging in a girl's restroom.
     
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  10. Johnsloan

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    First problen is your advice is unscriptural and I see you never brought any scripture after I asked.
    My concern is not for the girl or the pastor or the parents. I aint talking to any of them. I am talking to you and all the other who dived in with an opinion about a situation that you and they know nothing about.
    So I wont need to answer you question about my relavant scriptures. Of which the bible is full. Ad clearly many who stand accusing in a negative light. Dont know or understand how Christ walked and dealt with situations. Or what we are to act like in these situations. First thing you dont do is come here and discuss a concern with this audience. Many of who speak with out any concideration of scripture.
    So I dont have an opinion of the paster. Just the people here. who have really be very poor in there assertation of this dicussion.
    Some said leave the church some said call the Police. Thats how satan wants you to act. None of that thinking is from God.
    Tell the congrgation some said. .If you do that you will end up with the same mixture of wrong thinking and acting we have in here. Very childish answers just like we seen here.
    This is exactly why we have so many denominations and splits

    And you said no one is asking for the girl. If the OP had any info he would gladly have shared it. We aint missing anything. I seean awful lot of legalisim in your posts and you also jump in very quick with unscriptural answers. It would be good for you to ask God about things before posting.


    Indeed you are calling him guilty.
     
  11. Johnsloan

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    Well that really depends on how well you know Him. I know hHe would go in to the ladys rest room. I also know all things He would do in there are and would be for the greater good of all. Jesus sees you wiping your bum on the potty. The pastor obviously had other people did he? How do you know that? Its seems what ? How can you read that from that. Thats really pathetic. I think you believe what you like and make it up as you go. You have no evidance for what you just said none.

    The word of God also say have no ingraven images. But you have one?
     
  12. Johnsloan

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    Your first post contradicts your thought in your second post. So is it congragation or not? Difficult to follow you jumping back and fore with what to do or not to do?
     
  13. LoricaLady

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    I said he showed lack of wisdom by going into the girl's restroom. I never said he abused her. Yes, he does need help to, at the very least, learn how to act appropriately.

    I am not going to argue about this anymore. One thing I know for sure. If I found out that a Pastor had gone into the bathroom with any child of mine, especially a handicapped one, I would hit the roof! I would give him a chance to explain and see if just possibly there was some good reason for his action. But if there wasn't, I wouldn't give a flip about what any committee, or the Pastor had to say and I might well take legal action. And guess what? Neither the Pastor, nor the "channels", nor anyone else in the Church, would be able to stop me. Since we know, again, that many Pastors have been convicted for crimes against their "flock" we can see that I'm certainly not the only one that would act that way. Unfortunately some prefer to look the other way and make excuses, but that is their issue.

    Blessings and bye.
     
  14. Johnsloan

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    Once again you are accusing him of acting inapropriactly with zero evidance to back up what you and only you are claiming. Not sure why you would do that? Jesus never told you to hit any roof. satan do though. I never made excuses any where here. I also quoted you accusing the pastor three times now. I understand you dont want to talk futher. Thats fine. You seem to be for fault finding first and forging last. Hope Jesus doesnt keep His word on that situation for you. With the same Judgement He will well you know the scripture I am sure.
     
  15. Daniel Marsh

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    Is this related to the events around 1980?
     
  16. Daniel Marsh

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    Methodist Church apologises for failing to protect children from sexual abuse
    The Methodist Church in Britain has apologised for failing to protect children and adults following nearly 2,000 reports of physical and sexual abuse within the institution dating back to the 1950s.


    Publishing a 100-page report today, the Methodist Church in Britain said it wanted to be open about the past and to have stronger safeguarding procedures in the future.
    Methodist Church apologises for failing to protect children from sexual abuse


    Abuse by Clergy Is Not Just a Catholic Problem
    Joyce Seelen, the lawyer who represented the woman, estimated that she has handled 50 cases of clerical abuse in 20 years, covering Methodists, Episcopalians, the Church of Christ and the fundamentalist Church of the Nazarene.
    Abuse by Clergy Is Not Just a Catholic Problem

    Methodism is a movement of Christianity represented by a number of denominations and organizations, claiming a total of approximately 70 million adherents worldwide. Like many religious institutions and organizations, the Methodist Church has been involved in a number of sexual abuse scandals within the organization that have involved cover-ups and an unwillingness to report or confront abusers within the organization.
    https://www.schmidtandclark.com/methodist-sexual-abuse

    Methodist Church apologises for abuse spanning decadeshttps://www.schmidtandclark.com/methodist-sexual-abuse

     
  17. Ancient of Days

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    And again the OP has not been back to fill in the blanks. 3 pages of speculation, conjecture and bickering. Plus a full Mod clean up. Isn't this how rumors get started...
     
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  18. Daniel Marsh

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    Romans 13 Good News Translation (GNT)
    Duties toward State Authorities
    13 Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority exists without God's permission, and the existing authorities have been put there by God. 2 Whoever opposes the existing authority opposes what God has ordered; and anyone who does so will bring judgment on himself. 3 For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of those in authority? Then do what is good, and they will praise you, 4 because they are God's servants working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of them, because their power to punish is real. They are God's servants and carry out God's punishment on those who do evil. 5 For this reason you must obey the authorities—not just because of God's punishment, but also as a matter of conscience.

    God put those people in place to make just laws. I know in my country one is expected to report possible child abuse. If the Pastor did nothing wrong, then a visit during the week by the Police will make him think about how to handle said situations in the future. That being have his wife or another woman handle it with other women there as a witness to protect her from trouble.
     
  19. Daniel Marsh

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    Frankly common sense dictates that the OP call the Police, not start a thread which itself is spreading a rumor.
     
  20. Ancient of Days

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    I agree!
     
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