Sanders says Biden can't generate enthusiasm due to (billionaire backers)

[wing2000]

Pulling for poor old Bernie.
Looks like they are going to
do it to him yet again.

Doesn't really matter up top the mountain.
Trump will demolish either one in debate.

M-Bob

Those Democratic voters!

 

[Aldebaran]

Those Democratic voters!

Most likely the DNC.

 

[wing2000]

Most likely the DNC.

...the DNC voted last Tuesday?

 

[Aldebaran]

...the DNC voted last Tuesday?

....Russia voted in 2016?

 

[Silmarien]

You nailed it. It will a contest between capitalism and socialism. Of course capitalism will win when the horrible history of socialism is seen in the clear light of day.

It is telling that Sanders is getting the support that he does. His young supporters likely see socialism as a way to be bailed out of their financial woes rather than presenting the opportunity for future success. Such support indicates the breakdown of a society whose social problems have become the driving force of the economy, the social order, and the politics, and whose opportunities for financial security have been destroyed by the sheer cost of addressing those problems. Socialism is the cynical tyranny of the majority...against themselves.

Democratic socialists actually tend to see capitalism as the driving force behind the breakdown of society. They're a very interesting group, since there's significant overlap between their rejection of individualism and focus on community projects and a genuinely traditional emphasis on community. They reject the cult of success, but this isn't specifically because they want to be bailed out of their financial woes. They think it only contributes to the exploitation by the capitalist class of the workers and the further breakdown of society.

Really interesting stuff. If capitalists didn't want to see it, they should've been more careful to keep the wealth gap from getting so serious that the class warfare rhetoric took off. Revolutionary politics are really the natural result of this sort of thing.

 

[renniks]

Is this the best the Democratic party has to offer? It's going to be like the meeting room at the nursing home, old men muttering at each other, and stopping in mid thought to stare into space.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Democratic socialists actually tend to see capitalism as the driving force behind the breakdown of society. They're a very interesting group, since there's significant overlap between their rejection of individualism and focus on community projects and a genuinely traditional emphasis on community. They reject the cult of success, but this isn't specifically because they want to be bailed out of their financial woes. They think it only contributes to the exploitation by the capitalist class of the workers and the further breakdown of society.

Really interesting stuff. If capitalists didn't want to see it, they should've been more careful to keep the wealth gap from getting so serious that the class warfare rhetoric took off. Revolutionary politics are really the natural result of this sort of thing.

I think that unsuccessful people, and those just starting out, should pay more attention to the rules of success followed by those who are successful. There is more going on here than meets the eye, and turning a blind eye to the reasons for failure isn't helpful.

It's hard to keep up when you keep shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

....Russia voted in 2016?

And they are coming up again in 2020.
Trying to get Sanders or Biden in there.
M-Bob

 

[Silmarien]

I think that unsuccessful people, and those just starting out, should pay more attention to the rules of success followed by those who are successful. There is more going on here than meets the eye, and turning a blind eye to the reasons for failure isn't helpful.

This is something that the democratic socialists would agree with. They just think that Marx's analysis was correct.

Unfortunately, if we're not careful, people are going to start deciding that Marx's solutions were correct also, which would be... not exactly good.

 

[Norbert L]

If your aim with this is to support Trump, it seems to me this thread is self-defeating.

So by your own admission, the reason you post "Sanders says Biden cannot generate support due to billionaire backers"...is in your own support of a billionaire.

I fail to see how there is NOT a tad bit hypocrisy here?

What numerous conservative political commentators have pointed out, prior to Bernie becoming a millionaire, he on record publically made numerous statements attacking millionaires and billionaires. Now that he is a millionaire his public comments only includes attacks against billionaires.

Looking at that record my own personal conclusion is this ->

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It's on the democratic side that people are saying they don't want billionaire influence, especially the Bernie supporters and Bernie himself. Are those supporters suddenly going to become enthusiastic about Biden who is going to be backed by Bloomberg and other billionaires?

Idk about anyone else but I’m perfectly fine with taking money from billionaires willing to pay up to defeat Trump. I can’t think of a better use for their money. I think the left’s principled stand on not taking money from billionaires and superPACs is partly why we’re destined to lose.

 

[royal priest]

If the majority of the Democratic base throughout the country prefers Biden, it's perfectly legitimate that they nominate him instead. That's kind of how democracy works.

Bernie was likely referring to his billionaire despising base. There's a chance some of them might vote for Trump rather than Biden if it comes down to it.

 

[SimplyMe]

What numerous conservative political commentators have pointed out, prior to Bernie becoming a millionaire, he on record publically made numerous statements attacking millionaires and billionaires. Now that he is a millionaire his public comments only includes attacks against billionaires.

Looking at that record my own personal conclusion is this ->

To be fair, when I was in my 20s, being a millionaire meant about 3x as much as it does now -- $1,000,000 then is now over $3,000,000. By that standard, Bernie is still not a "millionaire."

I believe there are also plenty here that claim if you don't have a $1,000,000 saved for retirement, by the time you are 60, then you are going to have monetary issues as you age.

 

[Silmarien]

Bernie was likely referring to his billionaire despising base. There's a chance some of them might vote for Trump rather than Biden if it comes down to it.

Biden is supposed to be worth $9 million, so not exactly a billionaire.

Some will refuse to vote for him, but it's probably balanced out by the number of centrist Democrats who would refuse to vote for Sanders. We're not in the Bloomberg Nightmare Scenario anymore, where large swaths of the left would have likely defected.

 

[FireDragon76]

It's on the democratic side that people are saying they don't want billionaire influence, especially the Bernie supporters and Bernie himself. Are those supporters suddenly going to become enthusiastic about Biden who is going to be backed by Bloomberg and other billionaires?

A vote for anybody else would be a vote for Trump, so this Sanders supporter isn't going to get too worked up if Bernie loses to Biden.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Really interesting stuff. If capitalists didn't want to see it, they should've been more careful to keep the wealth gap from getting so serious that the class warfare rhetoric took off. Revolutionary politics are really the natural result of this sort of thing.

It isn't the rich that are responsible for the misfortune of the lower income class. They flocked to debt and despair by themselves; like a herd of buffalo running over a cliff, with nothing leading them and nothing driving them. Sort of 'herd panic'.

 

[A_Thinker]

Is this the best the Democratic party has to offer? It's going to be like the meeting room at the nursing home, old men muttering at each other, and stopping in mid thought to stare into space.

Is Trump the BEST that the Republicans can offer ?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Is Trump the BEST that the Republicans can offer ?

Yes and with a Pence 8 year follow up in WH
it's going to be great.
M-Bob

 

[Yttrium]

I think it's ironic that Bernie would rather take money from people who can't afford it rather than milk the rich for funding. Kind of backwards for a socialist.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I think it's ironic that Bernie would rather take money from people who can't afford it rather than milk the rich for funding. Kind of backwards for a socialist.

They will try to fool you for a moment
then most everything you have is gone.
M-Bob