Sanders says Biden can't generate enthusiasm due to (billionaire backers)

[A_Thinker]

Yes and with a Pence 8 year follow up in WH
it's going to be great.
M-Bob

It may have been better to ask an Independent ...

Sanders Crushes Trump by 18 Points Among Independent Voters in New National General Election Poll

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It may have been better to ask an Independent ...
Sanders Crushes Trump by 18 Points Among Independent Voters in New National General Election Poll

Don't believe it, we got spies over there
just ask the Russians.
M-Bob

 

[renniks]

Is Trump the BEST that the Republicans can offer ?

We had some decent candidates last time, but I think people today just go with the loudest ones.. It's all about who makes the most noise and is the most outrageous. I think that says a lot about our society. We pass up the wise ones like Carson for the loud ones.

 

[grasping the after wind]

The lack of enthusiasm for Biden has nothing to do with where he got his campaign funding and everything to do with Biden being Biden.

 

[Silmarien]

It isn't the rich that are responsible for the misfortune of the lower income class. They flocked to debt and despair by themselves; like a herd of buffalo running over a cliff, with nothing leading them and nothing driving them. Sort of 'herd panic'.

It's not even necessarily a rich vs. poor thing. The question is who has power, and who really doesn't. In corporate law, associates get worked to death, but the money and the benefits are too good to get out. Not everyone is sympathetic to socialism because they're in debt--some think the system is exploitative from top to bottom. (Though I've seen crony socialism in action too, and it's not any better.)

I think it's ironic that Bernie would rather take money from people who can't afford it rather than milk the rich for funding. Kind of backwards for a socialist.

How is that backwards? The underlying problem is that a politician is ultimately beholden to their donors--if you're milking the rich for funding, then you're dependent on them and will prioritize their interests over anyone else's. Sanders wants to remove big money from politics altogether.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think it's ironic that Bernie would rather take money from people who can't afford it rather than milk the rich for funding. Kind of backwards for a socialist.

That's the typical pattern of third world revolutions. You get the peasantry to believe in you then together you overthrow the tyrants.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's not even necessarily a rich vs. poor thing. The question is who has power, and who really doesn't. In corporate law, associates get worked to death, but the money and the benefits are too good to get out. Not everyone is sympathetic to socialism because they're in debt--some think the system is exploitative from top to bottom. (Though I've seen crony socialism in action too, and it's not any better.)

The true 'socialist' countries, notably those of the defunct Soviet Union, were actually oligarchies. Even Hitler had to bow to the power and wealth of the industrialists to keep his war machine supplied.

 

[grasping the after wind]

This is something that the democratic socialists would agree with. They just think that Marx's analysis was correct.

Unfortunately, if we're not careful, people are going to start deciding that Marx's solutions were correct also, which would be... not exactly good.

Especially since the evidence is already in on that.

 

[Silmarien]

The true 'socialist' countries, notably those of the defunct Soviet Union, were actually oligarchies.

That's what the "crony" part of "crony socialism" means.

 

[royal priest]

There are more conservative people available, but apparently, Trump is our only hope of winning an election. As a whole, conservatives (including myself) are happy with the President's accomplishments. I would be very glad if he got another term. Especially in light of the alternative.

 

[Aldebaran]

Idk about anyone else but I’m perfectly fine with taking money from billionaires willing to pay up to defeat Trump. I can’t think of a better use for their money. I think the left’s principled stand on not taking money from billionaires and superPACs is partly why we’re destined to lose.

I'm fine with it too if it's a democrat who's the billionaire. Watching Bloomberg blow a half billion on his campaign only to end up dropping out is a testament to how money alone can't buy votes. It also takes a good chunk of financial firepower out of their arsenal and puts in into the economy.

 

[Aldebaran]

A vote for anybody else would be a vote for Trump, so this Sanders supporter isn't going to get too worked up if Bernie loses to Biden.

Some of those Bernie supporters are very dedicated to the cause though. They want a revolution instead of the establishment. Biden is about as "establishment" as you can get, which is why he was on the verge of dropping out of the race just before Super Tuesday. It's hard to imagine a die-hard Bernie supporter just going along to get along, especially after also losing in 2016 to Clinton.

 

[Aldebaran]

Is Trump the BEST that the Republicans can offer ?

As with any other incumbent, Trump is the tried and tested candidate, and the voters like what they see, at least on the Republican side.

 

[Aldebaran]

I think it's ironic that Bernie would rather take money from people who can't afford it rather than milk the rich for funding. Kind of backwards for a socialist.

Bernie doesn't take money from billionaires because none of them are offering him any. He talks against them so much, and expects them to fund his "free for everyone" programs. They certainly aren't going to give him what he fully intends to take from them.