Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

What does "lift up the Cross" signify? Do you want people to make idols?
And what does "Give GLORY to the Blood of JESUS" mean?

Thank you for the questions.

It means that Eternal Salvation is God's Blood shed as Christ on The Cross, and to give FULL CREDIT to this alone, for Eternal Redemption, is to impart the respect The Cross commands and demands.
All who will not, are "enemies of the Cross" , based on their refusing to give full credit due.... to God and Christ ALONE.... for what was accomplished by the BLood of GOD... on the Cross as : Salvation.

Jesus said...."i am THE way"...."to THE Father", and that "way' is the Cross of Christ.
All who try to give credit to any other "way"....such as commandment keeping or "enduring to the end" or any other "way" to God, are contradicting the Cross of Christ and this defines them to be : an "enemy of the Cross".

To "lift up the Cross and give glory to the Blood of God", is to NOT do that, but instead give all credit DUE the Cross, as God's only means of Redemption for the world.

John 3:16

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, all dark lights will try to lie to real believers.
Here are some of their lies.
"you can lose your salvation"
"you have to keep commandments and endure to the end", to save yourself, as Christ's blood has no power to do it.

You recognize this person and this : Galatians 1:8 ?
These people are "enemies of the Cross".

This means that they reject God's Grace and try to replace it with the Devil's Gospel, which is the "gospel of works and self effort".

They teach it like this. "The Cross, + Self effort

The Cross, + Commandment keeping.

See that "+" ?
That is the devil's gospel of trying to diminish the Blood of Jesus, and the Crucifixion of Christ, by trying to substitute the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, with the old covenant, the Law of Moses, and commandment keeping.

Well satan certainly didn’t say those things to Eve, what he did say was it’s ok to disobey God “surely you will not die”. If I had ever said anything to the effect that our works can earn our atonement or salvation then you would surely be right that this would be from satan but I have never in my entire life said such a ridiculous statement, that’s just your forked tongue at work doing the evil one’s deceptive work.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul does not teach that.
Paul teaches this regarding all the born again.

"there is now NO CONDEMNATiON to those who are IN Christ".

And what does it mean to be “in Christ”

“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:3-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

A person who does not keep His commandments is not in Christ.

 

[Sidon]

The problem is that verse does not say that God does not charge sin to a born again person who is willfully sinning..

Please dont play the role of the dishonest person, who comes to a "christian forum" and pretends that all the sin you have confessed, s was all an "accident" that you didn't mean to do.
Dont do that.
Dont commit that lie in pubic., Bnr32fan.
As is you play that liar's role, you have just lied, and you did it "willfully".. in public.

 

[Sidon]

We are in Christ by faith.

Yes, God accepts our faith to then give us the New Birth.
See that 'new Birth"?
That is when a person becomes a "new Creation"......its by Spiritual Birth.
That is how you become a CHRISTian.

Jesus said...>'you must be born again".

Thats the Spiritual NEW BIRTH, and WATER can't cause that to happen.
God causes that to happen by causing a person's spirit to be BORN AGAIN.....Into God's Holy Spirit, by God's Holy Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Please dont play the role of the dishonest person, who comes to a "christian forum" and pretends that all the sin you have confessed, s was all an "accident" that you didn't mean to do.
Dont do that.
Dont commit that lie in pubic., Bnr32fan.
As is you play that liar's role, you have just lied, and you did it "willfully".. in public.

I’ll be the first one to admit I’ve sinned willfully and I repented of my sins.

 

[Sidon]

If I had ever said anything to the effect that our works can earn our atonement or salvation

Listen carefully, Bnr22fan.

If you EVER once told anyone that they can "lose their salvation", then you have taught that The Cross of Christ and the blood of Jesus, has not the power to SAVE.
You have instead denied this, by teaching the person that they have more power to be lost, then GOD's blood has the power to SAVE.

Dont ever do that.
Stay away from that devil's lie.
Argue your self effort and commandment keeping, all you like, as that is your self deception committed against yourself, but when you commit deception against the Grace of God you are found in deep heresy and that'll cause Christ to rebuke you.
Leave that lie alone.
Fair warning.

And for GOD's Sake, stop trying to find verses in the NT that you try to abuse to teach that the Blood of Jesus, the Sacrifice of the Cross, is only as good as you are....
Get away from that self righteousness and scriptural abusing.

 

[Sidon]

And what does it mean to be “in Christ”

It means to be born again Into the Spirt of God, by the Holy Spirt of God, as "ONE with God, and Christ"......= Spiritually.

This is Jesus demanding that : "you must be born again".

Water cannot do this, only the Spirit of God can cause the "new birth" that creates the "new Creation, in Christ'".

 

[Sidon]

I’ll be the first one to admit I’ve sinned willfully and I repented of my sins.

Of course.

And if you can understand that the Blood of God is..."where sin abounds, Grace more Abounds"..

Let me paraphrase......>"when you mess up, the Blood and Death of God's SON has already dealt with it, 2000 yrs ago on the CROSS".
See that?
This is why Romans 4:8, exists.
The born again are "made free from sin", not by being perfect, but because the Blood of God has resolved all sin, and also because the body is dead because of sin.
The born again are not "sinners'.........The born again are a "new Creation IN CHRIST".

SEEING ALL THIS is the issue for most Believers, and because they are not taught HOW, they exist in their carnal mind that is actually in resistance to who they have become as "in Christ", Spiritually.
This is where the "sinning and confession" and "falling from Grace" becomes their discipleship, instead of the "Christ always gives me the Victory"...where they are suppose to EXIST.
Its because they are not TAUGHT CORRECTLY to only and always see themselves as "made righteous", and until they are taught this, they can't exist in the Grace of God as their POWER. They can only exist in the carnal mind that SELF DEFINES them in a Way that isn't the Way GOD has recreated them to be as a "new Creation in Christ". "Born again".

 

[Ligurian]

I wasn’t quoting the OP, the post I quoted was by very definition advocating a license to sin. That is irrefutable. Do you believe that a person can sin all they want after being born again and they are saved no matter what they do? If that were true then John 15:6 would be an impossibility.

Learn what 1 John 3:9 is teaching.

Galatians 2:7-9

If you go to college, the first courses in a given discipline are prerequisites... without them you cannot understand the subject well enough to proceed.

The Sermon on the Mount is one prerequisite for understanding John's letters.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

And this is also a prerequisite: Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

And so is Matthew 18:35

Now, we can proceed:

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 3:9-10 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Sidon]

Galatians 2:7-9

If you go to college, the first courses in a given discipline are prerequisites... without them you cannot understand the subject well enough to proceed.

You should try that.
Just look in the mirror.
When you get finished with that honest self analysis, then go directly to my many Threads, and find your way home.
Thats on you.

 

[Sidon]

Galatians 2:7-9

The Sermon on the Mount is one prerequisite for understanding John's letters.

The sermon on the mount that is found in Matthew, has no Cross in it, has no Blood of Jesus shed in it, and has no "gift of Salvation" or "gift of Righteousness" in it offered to "all who will believe, and do the "work of God, that is to believe on Jesus whom God sent".

So, what does that mean?
It means that the SOTM< has almost nothing to do with any of John's Letters, and absolutely nothing to do with the Cross of Christ or the eternal redemption found there as : John 3:16

Im not surprised that you would not know any of this, reality.

Try to figure that out, Ligurian, asap....... if you can....... before you post to us more of your theological confusion .

 

[BNR32FAN]

Listen carefully, Bnr22fan.

If you EVER once told anyone that they can "lose their salvation", then you have taught that The Cross of Christ and the blood of Jesus, has not the power to SAVE.
You have instead denied this, by teaching the person that they have more power to be lost, then GOD's blood has the power to SAVE.

Dont ever do that.
Stay away from that devil's lie.
Argue your self effort and commandment keeping, all you like, as that is your self deception committed against yourself, but when you commit deception against the Grace of God you are found in deep heresy and that'll cause Christ to rebuke you.
Leave that lie alone.
Fair warning.

And for GOD's Sake, stop trying to find verses in the NT that you try to abuse to teach that the Blood of Jesus, the Sacrifice of the Cross, is only as good as you are....
Get away from that self righteousness and scriptural abusing.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed this or not but throughout our discussions for the past month I’ve had no problem answering every question you’ve asked. You on the other hand run from my questions because you know the answers destroy your theology.

 

[Sidon]

You on the other hand run from my questions because you know the answers destroy your theology.

I teach Pauline Theology.
Your theology of self saving can't "destroy" it.
Believe it.
See, the Grace of God as the Cross of Christ was the Truth before you showed up, and it'll still be the same once you and I are not around.
The difference is, i was teaching it and preaching it while i was HERE.

So, if you can't understand my 40 + Threads, and the fact that ive posted more answers to you than to any other member here.....DAILY.....

 

[BNR32FAN]

Listen carefully, Bnr22fan.

If you EVER once told anyone that they can "lose their salvation", then you have taught that The Cross of Christ and the blood of Jesus, has not the power to SAVE.
You have instead denied this, by teaching the person that they have more power to be lost, then GOD's blood has the power to SAVE.

Dont ever do that.
Stay away from that devil's lie.
Argue your self effort and commandment keeping, all you like, as that is your self deception committed against yourself, but when you commit deception against the Grace of God you are found in deep heresy and that'll cause Christ to rebuke you.
Leave that lie alone.
Fair warning.

And for GOD's Sake, stop trying to find verses in the NT that you try to abuse to teach that the Blood of Jesus, the Sacrifice of the Cross, is only as good as you are....
Get away from that self righteousness and scriptural abusing.

Says the person that teaches that we can reject Christ and we will still be saved. That’s the biggest “surely you will not die” deception I’ve ever heard of.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It means to be born again Into the Spirt of God, by the Holy Spirt of God, as "ONE with God, and Christ"......= Spiritually.

This is Jesus demanding that : "you must be born again".

Water cannot do this, only the Spirit of God can cause the "new birth" that creates the "new Creation, in Christ'".

Yeah see I quoted a verse that specifically states how to know if someone is “in Christ” what you’ve done here is state your opinion of what it means to be in Christ.

 

[Ligurian]

That is Romans 4:8.
Im not Romans 4:8, im just the teacher who teaches the verse that says that God does not charge sin to the Born again, because He's already charged all of them to CHRIST ON THE CROSS.

Romans says nothing about born again in that verse... or in any other.
Even Paul went on the warpath with his students a time or twenty, when they were sleeping with their mother-in-laws, etc. So I'm doubting any Bible version says what you're saying.

Here it is in the King James Version, with enough context so we know what Paul's quoting from:

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.KJV

Which is this Psalm right here:

Psalms 32:1-3 Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, and who sins are covered. 2 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin, and whose mouth there is no guile. 3 Because I kept silence, my bones waxed old, from my crying all the day. 4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: I became thoroughly miserable while a thorn was fastened in me. 5 I acknowledged my sin, and hid not mine iniquity: I said, I will confess mine iniquity to the Lord against myself; and thou forgavest the ungodliness of my heart. 6 Therefore shall every holy one pray to thee in a fit time: only in the deluge of many waters they shall not come nigh to him. 7 Thou art my refuge from the affliction that encompasses me; my joy, to deliver me from them that have compassed me.LXX

Obviously Paul didn't expect you not to find and read the verse he quoted.
David says he confessed his sin to God, and only then did God forgive him.

 

[Sidon]

Says the person that teaches that we can reject Christ and we will still be saved. .

You just posted another lie.
Listen....you can't "reject Christ" and be saved.
You have to believe in Jesus to be saved.
Didn't you know?

"all that call on the name of Jesus (believe) shall be saved".

 

[BNR32FAN]

I teach Pauline Theology.
Your theology of self saving can't "destroy" it.
Believe it.
See, the Grace of God as the Cross of Christ was the Truth before you showed up, and it'll still be the same once you and I are not around.
The difference is, i was teaching it and preaching it while i was HERE.

So, if you can't understand my 40 + Threads, and the fact that ive posted more answers to you than to any other member here.....DAILY.....

I don’t think I need to quote your “answers” to my questions. Everyone here has seen that they never actually answer the question because everyone here has experienced the same problem.

 

[Sidon]

Yeah see I quoted a verse that specifically states how to know if someone is “in Christ” what you’ve done here is state your opinion of what it means to be in Christ.

What Paul teaches is not my opinion., it is in fact, the Gospel.
Its what i teach.

See, to be born again, is very specific., and once you are, you have become "in Christ".

 

[Ligurian]

Please dont play the role of the dishonest person, who comes to a "christian forum" and pretends that all the sin you have confessed, s was all an "accident" that you didn't mean to do.
Dont do that.
Dont commit that lie in pubic., Bnr32fan.
As is you play that liar's role, you have just lied, and you did it "willfully".. in public.

John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?