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Promotion of White Supremacy in Mainstream Media

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Oompa Loompa

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    Where on earth are you getting this?
     
  2. Ana the Ist

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    Chucking a child over a fence is not legal.
     
  3. TLK Valentine

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    most


    \ ˈmōst \
    Definition of most
    (Entry 1 of 6)

    1: greatest in quantity, extent, or degree//the most ability
    2: the majority of//most people
     
  4. Ana the Ist

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    Migrant apprehensions at U.S.-Mexico border are surging again

    100,000 people apprehended for illegally crossing in February.

    Did more people emigrate here legally?

    We aren't counting people just visiting, traveling, studying, or working.

    We are counting those people who are attempting to stay.
     
  5. TLK Valentine

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    As a matter of fact...yes.

    in the fiscal year 2017, there were 20.7 million naturalized citizens (i.e., former immigrants), 13.1 million legal noncitizens (immigrants who either have not yet attained citizenship or don't plan on doing so), and an estimated 11.3 million "unauthorized immigrants" (illegals).

    So... by my math, the legal immigrants outnumber the illegal immigrants by about 2 to 1. And that number goes up if we take the approximately 1 million people who have had their cases deferred (either by DACA or other means) and move them over to the "legal" side of the equation.

    Source: Snapshot of U.S. Immigration 2019

    Neither are we. Only 1.7 million temporary visas were issued in the same time period.
     
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  6. SoldierOfTheKing

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    Yes.

    Because "white supremacy" is a straw man. Coming from a poster with an avatar that expressly appeals to racial politics, it's particularly absurd. The in-group loyalties that you condemn as "white supremacy" in whites are taken for granted among blacks. Your game is obvious, and I'm not playing.

    I'm talking about political policy, not Trump's business practices...

    You acknowledge that the replacement is real. Why, then, the hysterical response to Tucker Carlson even talking about it?

    BTW, Tucker Carlson expounded on this in tonight's episode. It was pure gold.
     
  7. adderbolt

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    It's not about "road tests".

    Your driver's license becomes your ID when you are on the road. You have to show your driver's license to various authorities at various times as you drive the streets, roads and highways of America.

    Your driver's license is proof of your qualifications of your right to drive. Just as your ID offers proof of your age, citizenship, address, etc. and your right to vote in a specified election.
     
  8. Tom 1

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    Trump's policies reduced legal immigration to the US, the impact on illegal immigration was negligible, just a lot of smoke and mirrors and money down the drain. Shunting people to just the other side of the border is just plain dumb, how could that possibly work in the long term? On both counts his clumsy, cack-handed approach was unsustainable. Much like his business practices, he tends to drive things into the ground through a lack of management ability and overestimation of his own success. If you want a bankrupted US, Trump is definitely your guy. In terms of business some of his early property buys and the cash flow from the TV charade propped up the rest, in terms of govt what you characters call the 'deep state' would prop up the US for a while if he stayed in power, but it would collapse in on itself eventually, boom, bust and internal rebellion would reduce your country to a projection of the warped psyche of a deluded narcissist. Maybe that appeals to some people, doesn't seem like much of a long term strategy.
     
  9. Ana the Ist

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    That's surprising.

    Ok...you don't understand statistics.

    I was talking about the number of people who illegally crossed the border in 1 month, with the intent on staying in the US.

    1 month....not 1 year.

    Your first number is how many naturalized citizens existed in the US in 2017. It's not even just how many naturalized in 2017.....they could have naturalized in 2010 for all you know.

    That number is worthless and completely irrelevant to the conversation.

    The second number refers to people who may be here studying or just working....it's not clear that they intend to live here permanently at all. That number is also completely irrelevant.

    The third number is those here illegally in 2017.....and if we are to assume they are all intending to stay as citizens....it at least has some relevance, but it doesn't matter to the claim that more people come here to stay legally than those who come to stay illegally. Why? Because it's the total number accumulated over many years.....not in one month.

    The number of people who immigrate here legally every year, to stay as citizens and naturalize, is about 140,000.....though Biden intends to increase the number to about 170,000 from what I've read. That's 170,000 a year.....legally.

    Now that would be between 13,000 and 17,000 a month....which is rounded down because frankly, it's not even remotely close to the 100, 000 who came here illegally with the intent to stay in just one month.....by crossing the border illegally.

    That means you are factually wrong. There are far more people crossing illegally into the US with the intent of staying than those who come here legally.

    That's true for every month of every year.

    2020 was an exception because Trump succeeded in using the virus as a reason to reject all who crossed the border illegally (except US citizens of course) immediately.

    If you need any further explanation of these numbers....or anything else like "the difference between a month and a year" don't hesitate to ask. I love explaining the truth to those who struggle to understand it.
     
  10. Ana the Ist

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    The number of people illegally crossing the border dropped significantly when he enacted the Migrant Protection Protocols requiring them to await their asylum hearing in Mexico. This was only around 6 months or so before the virus hit.....but it stopped illegal crossing dramatically. I'm sure I can find the numbers proving that if you doubt them. No smoke or mirrors required.

    Once he enacted title 42 protections in early 2020.....illegal crossings dropped to a minuscule amount. This is also easily proven.

    It was warned that once these two policies were reversed or removed under Biden....it would open up a flood of illegal crossings. This started immediately after Biden got elected because these illegals are generally not educated and didn't realize policies wouldn't change until Biden took office in January.

    Once that happened.....they started coming in by the thousands every day.

    Biden has since repeatedly tried to lie about the causes by blaming Trump.....or pretended it's not a big problem.

    Democrats don't want to hold him accountable either.....as a result....many children have been abandoned, exploited, and abused by their parents, cartels, and generally speaking....the complete lack of any planning by the administration.
     
  11. Gene2memE

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    US naturalisations by year:

    2017 -707,000
    2018 - 761,000
    2019 - 843,000
    2020 - Uncertain, but a record 932,000 applications were processed by August. Historically, 90% are accepted.

    US lawful permanent residency population growth (admittances minus departure/deaths) by year:

    2016: 1.19 million
    2017: 1.1 million
    2018: 1.09 million.

    All figures from the US DHS.

    By my math, that looks more like 1.8 to 1.9 million new legal residents per year. Or 150,000 to 154,000 per month.

    That's close to an order of magnitude greater than your upper estimate.
     
  12. Ana the Ist

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    Perhaps I was going by work visas....

    If so, I apologize for the error.

    When you say naturalizations....are those entirely made up of those who legally began the process from beginning to end?

    Or are we more likely including those who came in illegally, and then by having children who are born citizens, cannot be removed.....and eventually pursued naturalization during those 18 years when they cannot be removed?

    If you don't have any numbers for those cases (began illegally but were allowed to stay because of their babies...and then naturalized) I wouldn't be surprised...

    I can't really make a claim of knowing those numbers but since the backlog of cases is years at this point....I would have to assume it's a significant number.
     
  13. Ana the Ist

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    Well it turns out we do have some numbers for that....

    U.S. births to unauthorized immigrants have fallen since 2007

    About 250,000 babies were born to unauthorized immigrant parents in the United States in 2016.

    While it's not a certainty that 250k of those annual naturalizations are a result of someone originally entering illegally....I think it's fair that once we add all the other ways the legal process can be sidestepped, like coming in legally and overstaying a visa and getting married to a citizen or having a baby....

    It's fair to say that more people are becoming citizens by circumventing the law than following it.....and of those, a majority are beginning the process by breaking the law.

    Would you agree that's a fair characterization?
     
  14. Tom 1

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    Trump's approach isn't sustainable, which is pretty obvious, and had less impact on illegal immigration than previous administrations by a considerable amount. Numbers of people actually crossing the US border illegally have been dropping steadily for the last couple of decades, and represent a small proportion of overall illegal aliens in the US. The smoke and mirrors is all the pointless hoohah about a wall, and the asinine notion that simply shoving everyone to wait just over the border is an actual solution. Trump media stations seize on this and pump out the vacuous notion that these people are being 'processed', as if this is some sort of orderly, reasonable affair that the Mexican govt has had years to prepare for. In reality it's just another example of stupidism, the kind of dumb thinking that if you just whack everything with a hammer it'll all go away. In terms of any actual effect, it's either negligible or simply creates a worse headache for the future.
     
  15. Tom 1

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    Meanwhile...another specious comparison with an entirely different situation. And those laws - so tough! And the Swedish govt is actually ‘considering’ making them permanent. Radical!

    According to the bill, refugees in Sweden will now receive three-year residence permits.

    But these will only be converted into permanent residence rights if immigrants meet requirements such as knowledge of the Swedish language, Swedish society, or sufficient income.

    Applicants will also need to support family members when applying for family reunification, and not have committed any serious crimes.’
     
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    Fine, but those aren't naturalisations. Those are birthright citizens.

    I believe- but could be mistaken- these are not counted amongst naturalisations, as these are legally distinct.

    Its not a certainty that ANY of them are the result of someone originally entering illegally. Unless you have information suggesting otherwise?

    Again, birthright citizenship and naturalisations are different things.

    Nope. I wouldn't.

    Nothing in the naturalisation process or the legal permanent residency process suggests that these people originally entered the US illegally.

    There certainly are people who entered illegally who have since become citizens by various avenues, but there is little- if any- data that would suggest this outnumbers the one to two million citizens and legal permanent residents added per year.
     
  17. Ana the Ist

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    Sorry....why isn't it sustainable?

    It's not obvious to me.

    You can definitely say that Democrats made every effort to impede his approach or outright eliminate it through court rulings.

    I don't understand why you think it's unsustainable though. Also, I don't see the drop in illegal crossings has increased since 2014....but that's not really what the issue is.

    If they were crossing from Mexico to work for a few days and head back to Mexico like they were in the early 2000s and before, it would be a different situation.

    We're talking about people crossing illegally with no intention of going home.
     
  18. TLK Valentine

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    I believe you're correct -- those children are, according to the Constitution, natural-born citizens of the United States.

    Who knows? Maybe one of them will be elected president some day?
     
  19. TLK Valentine

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    Right -- I have several IDs in my wallet -- but if I get pulled over, the cop isn't going to want to see any of them but my drivers license (and my vehicle registration and proof of insurance)

    My voter registration, not my ID, is proof of my right to vote.
     
  20. Ana the Ist

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    The babies are citizens....

    We don't deport the parents because they are seen as the best person to raise their US citizen baby.

    We could deport the parents...but that's typically reserved for felons of violent crimes, pedophiles, drug dealers, etc. Then the child gets shuffled into the foster system if they have no other parents.

    If the parents don't naturalize or get legal status by the time their child reaches adulthood.....their parents are subject to deportation like any other illegal immigrants.

    Given that the time period is 18 years to at least successfully get permanent resident status....that's what the majority of them do. Do I know the exact number off the top of my head? Of course not.

    The other option they have once their child reaches adulthood, they can apply for their parent's status to legalize.

    I'm not even going into the fact that in a large number of such cases, the child's social security number is used to apply for any number of public assistance benefits.

    You're mistaken. The children are US citizens by virtue of the location of their birth.....but this doesn't change the legal status of their parents automatically. The parents are still deportable, but typically aren't, barring serious felonies.

    In fact, not more than a few years ago, a ring of "midwives" were busted as part of a birth certificate fraud ring. Illegal immigrants would enter with young children (because after asking for asylum with their children, they get released with a court date) and they would pay anything from a few hundred to a few thousand for a birth certificate from one of these midwives claiming the child was born in Texas. The midwives were able to get what amounted to a legal birth certificate without any evidence of a birth at all. It only became obvious when someone actually counted and realized the midwives had to have been delivering 3-4 babies a day, every day, to have been justified in getting the birth certificates.

    What kind of evidence do you want? Do you want to see how many 6 month old babies are applying for food stamps? The outsized number of home births by midwives in Texas and Arizona compared to other states?

    I suppose I could file a Freedom of Information Act request....but that's going to take awhile.

    Again, you realize that applies to the person being born....not their parents?

    Do you think that they spend the next 18 years ignoring the fact that they can be deported in just under 2 decades?

    Or do you think they push as hard as possible for legal status so they can stay and apply for benefits?
     
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