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Promotion of White Supremacy in Mainstream Media

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Why do I suspect that Constitutional absolutists are still seething the most over that change?
     
  2. Belk

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    Don't be silly. They are equally annoyed by the 19th. :p
     
  3. Belk

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    Those dastardly people on the left! Representing the people they are elected to represent. No self respecting Republican would ever bother representing the will of their constituents.
     
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  4. Ana the Ist

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    Fixed.
     
  5. Ana the Ist

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    Evidence that the left is trampling on the 14th?
     
  6. Ana the Ist

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    I didn't see it in any of your posts....

    Can you link or quote yourself?
     
  7. Ana the Ist

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    Yeah....that actually does have to do with the original question since it relates to the number of people following the legal process vs those breaking it at some point.

    However, I'm willing to concede that both the lack of clarity regarding my post and the lack of available data makes it difficult to ascertain the facts.


    It's also not counting the number of people who gained legal status despite entering the US illegally.

    If you want a simple calculus of that....

    You can take the popular number of illegals the left likes to estimate are in the US every year.

    That's about 11 million.

    Take the number of people apprehended on any given year and subtract the number removed.

    We're going to end up with a number in the hundreds of thousands....

    Border Crisis: CBP’s Response

    So about 1 million in 2018 entered with the people apprehending them characterizing them as intending to stay.

    In 2018....about a little more than 250k illegal immigrants were deported.

    That leaves about 750k.

    Since the estimate of 11 million illegals never really changes....or at least it hasn't every year for around the last decade.....

    We can reasonably assume that a significant number of those illegally present gain legal status every year. Sure, some die, some leave of their own will.

    I haven't seen any evidence that it's a number big enough to offset the illegals caught vs illegals removed on any given year.

    In fact, the reasons for why the number doesn't really change is a mix of deportations, deaths, and gaining legal status.

    Let's assume though....that everyone counted in the numbers you quoted came in legally or otherwise were not here illegally at any time (like overstaying a visa).....

    That makes the million entering illegally about 1 third of the population we're talking about.

    If we go with the high end estimate of my number that's more likely somewhere between 40-60%.




    And how many entries are detected but don't get apprehended (aka got away)?
     
  8. TLK Valentine

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    True -- that one's more recent.
     
  9. TLK Valentine

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    I asked, "what do you have?"
     
  10. TLK Valentine

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    ...after becoming citizens, of course.

    ...by citizens; how dastardly.

    How does a non-citizen register to vote?
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    Psst... Matt Gaetz is a Republican.
     
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  11. Ana the Ist

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    I answered.

    I don't mind amendments. If the left wants to amend the Constitution there's a process for it.
     
  12. Ana the Ist

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    Using the documents or information of a citizen of course.
     
  13. TLK Valentine

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    ..but not correctly.

    The mere claim that the Democrats are trampling the fourteenth amendment is evidence of nothing.

    So I ask again: What do you actually have?
     
  14. TLK Valentine

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    How often does that happen?
     
  15. Pommer

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    Universal suffrage?!
    Count me in!
     
  16. Ana the Ist

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    Are you asking for how many examples I can find? Or an estimate of how often a crime occurs?
     
  17. Ana the Ist

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    This isn't serious....right?

    Why would you want non-citizens voting?

    Do you not understand the whole point of electing representatives?
     
  18. Ana the Ist

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    You skipped answering a question....

    Does your state require any evidence that you are the person who registered to vote.....when you vote?

    Go ahead and answer that and I'll gladly point out where Democrats are actively trying to repeal civil rights in California (in contradiction to equal protection under the law) openly advocate for race based treatment and hiring (in contradiction to equal protection under the law) and an example of legislation or executive order that violates equal protection under the law.

    I can also show you where the SCOTUS has ruled a disparity does not in of itself provide evidence for racial discrimination.

    Like I said, there's a process for amending the Constitution or repealing an Amendment.

    They can stand up in front of Congress, the people, and the world and make an argument about why they think racial discrimination is a good idea. Then they get to put it to a vote, and if it gets enough votes....then it has to be ratified by all 50 states.

    Anything short of that makes them at least in violation of the rights of the people....and at most enemies of the state.

    But hey....don't take my word for it. Answer the question and I'll provide evidence.
     
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    Which you've not provided any actual data on, beyond hypotheticals.

    That's not true. At all.

    DHS paper from 2017:

    DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010. On average, the population grew by 70,000 per year from 2010 to 2015, compared to 470,000 per year during the high-growth years leading up to the Great Recession (2000-2007). Of the total illegal alien population in 2015, nearly 80 percent had resided within the United States for more than 10 years and six percent entered during the previous five years (2010 to 2014). About 55 percent of illegal aliens in 2015 were from Mexico.​

    Pew Research estimates that in 2017, the number of unathorised immigrants in the US was at its lowest level in a decade (a population of about 10.5 million). That number is down from about 12.2 million in 2009.

    The Centre for Migration Studies comes to a similar conclusion. Their estimate is that from 2008 to 2015, the net population of unathorised immigrants fell by about 540,000 (to just over 11 million). The same centre also estimates that net immigration (legal AND illegal) averaged 203,000 per year between 2017 and 2019. To quote them:

    "The slowdown in growth is entirely due to a decline in non-citizens in the country; the number of naturalized citizens continues to grow. This is probably an indication that some illegal immigrants left or fewer arrived, primarily from Mexico. It may also indicate that more long-term visitors are headed home instead of overstaying their visas."​

    The US Census Bureau reports the foreign born non-citizen population in the US (legal and illegal) has declined from a peak of about 22.8 in 2017 million to less than 20 million as of early 2020.

    So, the population of illegal immigrants into the US has gone through a period of growth, peaked and now is declining.

    Can we? Your numbers for illegal entry are speculative and you've got no grounding in facts to make such a judgement. The population of legal immigrants is entirely sufficient to account for all naturalisations.
     
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