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Promotion of White Supremacy in Mainstream Media

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Tom 1

    Tom 1 Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    Actually since the last financial crisis more illegal immigrants have left the US than arrived. You can find the data on the Cato institute’s site. Not sustainable as in those people aren’t going anywhere, so you either accept a humanitarian crisis as ‘oh well what can you do’ or start processing claims, and you suddenly have thousands, which is happening now. Simple minded solutions don’t work for very long.
     
  2. Ana the Ist

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    Quit bragging. I've heard there's these marginal folks somewhere with no ID at alll....and identity politics is really important to them.
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    I've never met one....but I hear they exist.

    I'm sorry...you aren't required to bring your registration documents with you to vote in your state, are you?
     
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  3. Tom 1

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    Of course they did, if they didn’t oppose vindictive stupidity they wouldn’t be worth voting for.
     
  4. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    "they" who?
     
  5. Ana the Ist

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    Since 2008?

    Then why do estimates of their numbers increase instead of drop?

    The low end estimate is 11-12 million with the high end being double that.

    Granted....these are hard numbers to be certain about. For some reason, Democrats don't want to know their numbers during a census. We can speculate on why if you want....
     
  6. Ana the Ist

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    Voting officials in your state/county/district.
     
  7. Ana the Ist

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    Sure....I know you believe in the rhetoric.

    You made a truth claim about sustainability though.....

    Can you explain what you mean or not?
     
  8. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    What about them?

    Go back and read what you wrote -- you might want to edit for clarity.
     
  9. Tom 1

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    I already did.
     
  10. TLK Valentine

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    Well, someone has to oppose vindictive stupidity -- thank goodness the Democrats do.
     
  11. Gene2memE

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    None of your hypotheticals seem to have anything to do with your original question, which was do more people emigrate to the US legally than the 100,00 illegally caught crossing the border in February.

    To which the answer appears to most definitely be a yes. Somewhere north of 1.8 million people legally become emigrees just via permanent residency and naturalisations. This doesn't count other intakes, such as refugees, asylum seekers and special visa recipients.

    The 10 year average is notably lower, at about 1.2 million emigrees per year. Based on that, the flows are level pegged- but that ignores the ~300-400,000 deportations and the hundreds of thousands of 'returns' (people detained at/near the border and put back across it) per year.

    Oh, and birthright citizens aren't naturalisations. They're automatically citizens. They CAN sponsor their parents for citizenship- but not until they're 21. The process is also a long one, averaging more than 10 years, and is unsuccessful in the majority of cases.

    Do you actually think the plan of someone who illegally immigrated, then had and raised a kid or kids to 21 and then spent 10 plus years on a longshot bid for citizenship - risking deportation through the process- is to wait 30 plus years so they apply for benefits? Really? That's what you think their motivation is?
     
  12. Erik Nelson

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    You need to be a citizen to vote

    To become a citizen, you must pass a Constitution test

    You don't need to re-take the Constitution test every time you get into the polling booth

    But you need your ID every single time you drive

    :)
     
  13. Erik Nelson

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    Even with Trump, the over-whelming super-majority of Latinos voted Dem

    Dems view the US Constitution as "not absolute" (recent quote), i.e. "relative"

    The very same people, who (technically) break and enter into the country illegally -- not respecting the littlest of the laws of the land...

    do not really respect the highest of the laws of the land, either

    They may well be (understandably) agreeing with "whatever you're putting in front of their faces"

    But it's not (current, official, on the books) US Law & Order

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    Moreover, you're saying that Latinos want to assimilate with us Americanos and gringos

    And we were both about to assimilate with each other

    Until you guys came along, and started persuading everyone with your own powerful personal rhetoric about Identity Politics, Identity Socialism, and the heinous white supremacist history of the US

    So, although you all are saying Latinos want to assimilate into US culture, you all yourselves are making that impossible, with your own Identity Politics rhetoric

    How could Latinos want to assimilate, when you yourself have persuaded everyone, that America is a systemically racist, white supremacist country, which has long downtrodden the very Latinos, who were just about to assimilate a few minutes ago, up until you yourself piped up and convinced them not to?

    How is it, that Latinos will assimilate, while you & yours are telling them not to? That it would be morally evil and absurdly foolish to do so?

    You are sure there will be assimilation... but "which way" ?
     
  14. SummerMadness

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    What do you want them to assimilate to? My understanding of American culture is that there is no one culture, rather it's an amalgamation of many cultures that interact with one another. The thing that assimilate to is a society that celebrates its differences and who they contribute to the whole. The idea that people need to submit and assimilate to the white majority went out the window as racial discrimination has been the practice for the majority of American history. As long as people follow the US Constitution, the notion that people need to change to your definition of American is essential an un-American attitude.

    Demanding people follow the white majority and/or demonizing those who do not adhere to the white majority is white supremacy in a nutshell.
     
  15. Erik Nelson

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    You read what I said?

    Again, you guys are the ones claiming the US Constitution is "not absolute"

    It's ok to follow the Constitution, in a "kinda sorta relative" type of way?

    If you get credit, for promoting what you actually oppose, can I apply for benefits from the same double standard?

    So you agree, they are not assimilating?

    How does denigrating one whole vast ethnic culture as heinously systemically racist:
    • promote interaction
    • celebrate differences
    • contribute to the whole
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  16. TLK Valentine

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    I never had to take a test. Did you?
     
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  17. SummerMadness

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    The US Constitution is not absolute, it was never intended to be. That's why there is a Bill of Rights and the ability to change the document through ratification of amendments. That's just basic US history.

    What's with not answering the question? What are you referring that people are (or not) assimilating to?

    White supremacy != ethnic culture. In fact, there is no such thing as white culture because "white" is not an ethnicity. If you're equating white with European, then it would be incorrect to classify it as such because there are almost 100 ethnicities in Europe alone. Celebrating those ethnic groups and their cultural traditions is not racist at all. White, on the other hand, is a social definition to describe people, and is only roughly based on skin color. I say roughly because who is considered white has changed repeatedly throughout history to the point that calling white an ethnic group or culture seems laughable.

    Ignoring European ethnic groups, the only use of white in the United States has been to promote racist policies, so if there was a claim of white culture, I don't see how you can divorce it from white supremacy. This is in stark contrast to say looking at someone's British or French heritage, which is not defined by whiteness. No, it is defined by language, food, cultural traditions, ethnic groups, etc. No one should denigrate those things, but white supremacy was created expressly to do that.

    What makes the United States a great country is celebrating the cultural traditions of people from Europe, but also celebrating the traditions of people from Latin America, Africa, and Asia.
     
  18. Pommer

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    What do you mean?
    How is the Constitution of the United States of America “absolute”?
     
  19. TLK Valentine

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    We've got 27 amendments that prove it's not.

    What do you have?
     
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  20. Guinan

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    No, the Constitution most certainly isn't absolute.

    Lest we forget, the Constitution of the United States once included the Three-Fifths Compromise.
     
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