Prof: White Anti-Racism Shares Traits with White Nationalist Hate Groups

[SummerMadness]

Prof: White Anti-Racism Shares Traits with White Nationalist Hate Groups

A white nationalist group and a white anti-racist organization may have more in common than one might expect, argued Prof. Matthew Hughey, sociology, University of Connecticut.

On Monday, Hughey spoke at Cornell about his findings from 14 months of research, arguing that perhaps these two seemingly antithetical groups were not so different after all.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Extremist left wing people are just as hateful as extremist right wing people. Just look at the hate the far left throw at Trump. Here in the UK an example is when Margaret Thatcher died and the left were celebrating and tried to get the song "Ding Dong the witch is dead" to number one in the charts. They claim to want equality and everyone to have the right to their own view, but if that view is different to theirs they are very hateful.

 

[SummerMadness]

Extremist left wing people are just as hateful as extremist right wing people. Just look at the hate the far left throw at Trump. Here in the UK an example is when Margaret Thatcher died and the left were celebrating and tried to get the song "Ding Dong the witch is dead" to number one in the charts. They claim to want equality and everyone to have the right to their own view, but if that view is different to theirs they are very hateful.

I don't think your comment fits what is being discussed in the article.

 

[tas8831]

Extremist left wing people are just as hateful as extremist right wing people.

Not sure I agree.

I suggest you google something like "Obama not my president" - and check out a couple of the returns that link to news sites or forums that allow comments.

A Fox News forum story ran at one time about the Obama daughters, and the good 'Christian conservatives' in the comments called them disgusting names, and openly wondered how many abortions they had had (at that time, both were in their early teens), which one would become the crack harlot, etc.

While I have zero respect or admiration for Trump, and will gleefully report on his stupidity, question his sanity, etc., nothing I have ever written about him or his family comes close to the normal sorts of comments and claims made - still - against Obama and his family by the right.

 

[Dave-W]

I found the article interesting. But it seems the author seems to be saying that if someone is white, there can be no way for them to be anything other than racist.

 

[Gadarene]

Doesn’t sound like he researched it in that great depth - one can very easily be against racism against whites while not thinking you have it as bad or worse than black people, and this is common.

Probably some constructivist hack.

 

[Hank77]

Prof: White Anti-Racism Shares Traits with White Nationalist Hate Groups

I wanted to ask you how you define the difference between racism and stereotyping.

Also the article quotes this question to white nationalist and I'd be interested in what the anti-racist said when asked that question.
When asked if he would settle down with a black woman one day, the white nationalist got angry. “‘Oh, hell no! I would only marry a white girl … but I can take some tricks from watching that will sure liven up my ordinary sex life and whatever normal white girl I settle down with.’”

 

[SummerMadness]

I wanted to ask you how you define the difference between racism and stereotyping.

Also the article quotes this question to white nationalist and I'd be interested in what the anti-racist said when asked that question.
When asked if he would settle down with a black woman one day, the white nationalist got angry. “‘Oh, hell no! I would only marry a white girl … but I can take some tricks from watching that will sure liven up my ordinary sex life and whatever normal white girl I settle down with.’”

I think there is a fine line between stereotyping and racism. Yes, stereotyping is thinking a group of people are a certain way, but when you treat people a certain way based on that stereotype, then it quickly slips into racism. This was the premise of Get Out (horror film from February 2017), it was more about white liberal racism, where they didn't hate black people, but they fetishized them to an extent that they were seen as livestock (trying my best to not to spoil the film for those who have not seen it).

I think in the example above, the fetishization of black people as animals has a long racial history. In particular, black women are considered hypersexualized beings that are more "primal" than your typical white woman. In effect, they're not people, they're animals to be used as sexual objects. It would be interesting to see the response from the white liberal, but I think we know he'd say, "Sure, I'd marry a black woman!" But I believe that has little to do with what Hughey was pointing out, he was keying in on the attitude that both men had about black women; they may say different things about how they treat black woman based on their worldview, but in reality they actually treat black women the same way.

 

[Audacious]

I believe that has little to do with what Hughey was pointing out, he was keying in on the attitude that both men had about black women; they may say different things about how they treat black woman based on their worldview, but in reality they actually treat black women the same way.

The secret that's worked for me all these years is to just hate everyone equally. That way you never miss anyone particularly deserving!

 

[iluvatar5150]

Oh boy, do I love reading articles in college papers written by undergrads (the author is a sophomore) - almost as much as I love reading long-form debates on Twitter.

I'd be interested in reading a better summary of his research that actually explains what his conclusions mean.

 

[Hank77]

I'd be interested in reading a better summary of his research that actually explains what his conclusions mean.

Me, too.

 

[Hank77]

I think there is a fine line between stereotyping and racism. Yes, stereotyping is thinking a group of people are a certain way, but when you treat people a certain way based on that stereotype, then it quickly slips into racism.

I agree.

It would be interesting to see the response from the white liberal, but I think we know he'd say, "Sure, I'd marry a black woman!" But I believe that has little to do with what Hughey was pointing out, he was keying in on the attitude that both men had about black women; they may say different things about how they treat black woman based on their worldview, but in reality they actually treat black women the same way.

This is where I cannot see your conclusion.
The white nationalist is happy to use black women but would never honor her by marrying her because she is not equal to him. But the reverse is seen when one says yes I would marry her, she is equal to me.
And in most cases we would see that one is not willing, the other willing, to have mixed race children.

We see the same thing, the same attitude of men, even within their own race. Sure I'll play with this woman she is great sexually, but she is beneath me, in class, etc., she is not good enough or equal enough for me to marry.

 

[SummerMadness]

I agree.

This is where I cannot see your conclusion.
The white nationalist is happy to use black women but would never honor her by marrying her because she is not equal to him. But the reverse is seen when one says yes I would marry her, she is equal to me.
And in most cases we would see that one is not willing, the other willing, to have mixed race children.

We see the same thing, the same attitude of men, even within their own race. Sure I'll play with this woman she is great sexually, but she is beneath me, in class, etc., she is not good enough or equal enough for me to marry.

I think the white liberal also sees the black woman as beneath him, marrying her does not mean he sees her as an equal. She is still an object to him; I think you're taking the concept of racism as only pertaining to conscious attitudes about inferiority without taking into consideration that by both men treat black women as sexual objects/animals. That view is taking black women and making them inferior to white women. I believe you're looking at this only from the standpoint of "willing to marry" as "seeing as equal." But it's not about the marriage, it's about the views of black women compared to white women, they're simply seen as sexual creatures, which is dehumanizing.

I would argue that just because you have friends or date people with a different skin color, that doesn't necessarily mean one is not racist. You may not be looking to burn a cross on someone's yard, but let's say you want to date/marry an Asian woman because you believe she'll be submissive (unlike those far too outspoken white women), then your attitudes are racist. You've taken an ignorant view and treat people as caricatures based on their skin color.

 

[Hank77]

I would argue that just because you have friends or date people with a different skin color, that doesn't necessarily mean one is not racist.

I agree, but I hope that you are not saying that they necessarily are racist.

 

[SummerMadness]

I agree, but I hope that you are not saying that they necessarily are racist.

I think there's a difference between having racist attitudes versus being a self-avowed racist. Just because you're fighting for racial equality does not mean you do not hold racist views or attitudes. In this case, the white supremacist is a racist, but the anti-racist and supremacist both hold racist views. If it comes down to understanding what is wrong with such views, I am pretty sure the anti-racist would be the one to change.

 

[StevenBelievin]

Prof: White Anti-Racism Shares Traits with White Nationalist Hate Groups

Just FYI, do you scour the internet for racist articles to post here?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're an African American?

Have you ever thought you might be an anti-white racist?

 

[Hank77]

Just because you're fighting for racial equality does not mean you do not hold racist views or attitudes.

Yup, I agreed with you about that.
So are we in agreement that there are inter-racial relationships where neither person is racist? Is that possible in your point of view?

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think there's a difference between having racist attitudes versus being a self-avowed racist. Just because you're fighting for racial equality does not mean you do not hold racist views or attitudes. In this case, the white supremacist is a racist, but the anti-racist and supremacist both hold racist views. If it comes down to understanding what is wrong with such views, I am pretty sure the anti-racist would be the one to change.

What other white groups are left, aside from the supremacists and the anti-racists?

 

[SummerMadness]

Yup, I agreed with you about that.
So are we in agreement that there are inter-racial relationships where neither person is racist? Is that possible in your point of view?

Oh, completely. I think most interracial relationship are not occupied by racists. And for the most part, any racial tension that comes up in such relationships is more from pressures outside than from attitudes or views held by either person in the couple. However, I think people that have a fetishized view of another race or ethnic group don't get too far in dating someone of another skin color.

 

[Audacious]

Just FYI, do you scour the internet for racist articles to post here?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're an African American?

Have you ever thought you might be an anti-white racist?

There's actually a test for whether you're subconsciously anti-white or anti-black (it doesn't cover hispanics). Take a Test

I'm apparently mildly anti-black. My sister scored mildly anti-white. I'm glad to know about my apparent anti-black prejudice, as it means I can be better armed against it.