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Featured Praying to Saints? - Praying to those who are already in Heaven?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Korean-American Christian, Aug 7, 2017.

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  1. Constantine the Sinner

    Constantine the Sinner Well-Known Member

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    Abraham prays to an angel, "The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."
     
  2. Friend-of-Jesus

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    The Bible is the Bible. And it calls all believers saints (separated) because we have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus, not of their works.
     
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  3. KarateCowboy

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    I believe that is the one.

    It sounds like your take on this is we all are bound for Soul Sleep until He comes again, but the few who do not sleep could be spoken to somehow. Is that a good guess?
     
  4. Constantine the Sinner

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    Christ says works show whether or not someone is a saint.
     
  5. KarateCowboy

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    Yah that's the thing. It's a lot of work to sit down and mesh out about things like that. I err on the side of caution. I've called out to my late Dad once or twice "Dad! If you can hear me! Please come be with me in spirit!" -stuff like that, during a super hard time. However, I'm not quite sold on asking help from the "Pro" saints.
     
  6. Root of Jesse

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    Oh, so now the focus shifts to the content of the prayer...and yet the prayer asks St. Ann and Mary to take the prayer to Jesus for His resolution.

    I think it's better than the prayers I've heard non-denoms pray...:doh:
     
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    You may~by force of convictions you were taught~be aggressive against some~closer to what you profess
     
  8. Friend-of-Jesus

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    Angel is more powerful than human being. It's a supernatural servant of God. But should we repeat every action the patriarchs did? Should we send "Urias" to death like David to sleep with his wife? Our only perfect example is Jesus Christ. He is God.
     
  9. Constantine the Sinner

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    Soul sleep is completely unbiblical. Christ went and preached and saved those in Sheol according to 1 Peter 3:18-20, how was he preaching to people who weren't conscious? Moreover, where did they go after he saved him? Did they remain in Sheol? I don't think so. Christ also promised the thief on the cross he'd be with Him in Paradise, and Christ's account of life after death in his story of Lazarus makes it clear soul sleep does not exist. People are said to "fall asleep" when they die, in the Bible, (in fact, that is still what we Orthodox call it), but that applies strictly to their bodies, not their souls.
     
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    I don't see pictures~can we post pictures`
     
  11. Constantine the Sinner

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    Since the angels serve Jesus, of course he doesn't pray to them.

    I don't know if we should repeat every action of the Patriarchs, but I do consider Abraham's faith to be immaculate and the standard of faith. So to say your faith is better than his is not admissible to me.
     
  12. KarateCowboy

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    Cool. Thanks for sharing. I'm not sold on soul sleep and you're right about the thief on the cross. I was just trying to see if I understand correctly where another user is coming from.
     
  13. Root of Jesse

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    So you think God cannot grant these abilities to His children? I think that saying God cannot do something is trying to limit God.
     
  14. Friend-of-Jesus

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    Oh no. Must be in some apocryphal gospel? Muslims beleive Jesus as a child blew life back into dead birds.

    I only recognize the canonical Bible.
     
  15. Constantine the Sinner

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    Angels, by the way, are NOT innately any more powerful than human beings. They are only more powerful to the degree God gives them power to do things (that also applies to demons, they can't even enter swine without God giving them the power to do so). But humans can also be given immense, supernatural authority, as with Elijah and Moses.
     
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    Matthew 7:17
     
  18. Root of Jesse

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    Judge not, lest ye be judged.
     
  19. Root of Jesse

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    The saints in heaven are not dead. Only their bodies are dead.
    Deuteronomy 18:9-12 speaks of consulting the dead for your daily living. It's not the same thing as prayer.
     
  20. amariselle

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    Of course it's about the content of the prayer! What in those prayers, for example is okay?
     
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